Right-Wing Backlash Against 'Smartypants' Like Neil deGrasse Tyson

[DooleyDarter]

Yes, there is a section of the GOP that enjoys attacking those who are highly educated, particularly in the field of science. I'm telling you, Republicans and science go together like ketchup and rice.

Can you say Dr. Ben Carson? Oh wait, its the dems that piss all over this guy,, hmm just because he is black i wonder?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Yes, there is a section of the GOP that enjoys attacking those who are highly educated, particularly in the field of science. I'm telling you, Republicans and science go together like ketchup and rice.

We should deport racists pigs like you

after all, it is your kind that is holding America hostage

 

[about_average]

Can you say Dr. Ben Carson? Oh wait, its the dems that piss all over this guy,, hmm just because he is black i wonder?

A doctor talking about gun rights is the same as a physicist talking about physics?

 

[dan_c00000]

Can you say Dr. Ben Carson? Oh wait, its the dems that piss all over this guy,, hmm just because he is black i wonder?

Or it could be because he says insane stuff like Obamacare is the worst thing since slavery. Not to mention his general dislike of poor folks, women, and gay people.

 

[DooleyDarter]

A doctor talking about gun rights is the same as a physicist talking about physics?

So a medical doctor is about science? What would you consider a Surgeon? a house painter in scrubs?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Or it could be because he says insane stuff like Obamacare is the worst thing since slavery. Not to mention his general dislike of poor folks, women, and gay people.

but you love being a slave!

 

[DooleyDarter]

Or it could be because he says insane stuff like Obamacare is the worst thing since slavery. Not to mention his general dislike of poor folks, women, and gay people.

*L* so you actually listen to the bullshit that rolls out of your mouth/keyboard. It does offer a lot of comic relief

 

[1sickbastard]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=texas+GOP+2014+platform+filetype:pdf

Or direct link
http://www.texasgop.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/2014-Platform-Final.pdf

But yeah, a link to the source is always a good idea.

Appreciated.
Thanks.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Yeah....
Guess what?
An article from Salon (which is unabashedly partisan) is not, in my mind, a credible source to support that claim.
How about a direct link to the 2014 Texas GOP Platform document?

Here ya go.

 

[1sickbastard]

Here ya go.

AA also provided a link, but I do appreciate that you are willing to do your due diligence & cite your sources instead of shifting the burden of proof.
Thanks

 

[about_average]

So a medical doctor is about science?

You're going to have to maybe explain what you're talking about rather than just a vague reference.
What medical topic was he talking about that he got attacked for?

 

[RjThoughts]

So a medical doctor is about science? What would you consider a Surgeon? a house painter in scrubs?

His personal views on the poor, gays, and women make him a man of science that's a total and utter douchebag! He's put the "Cunt" in "Country Doctor."

 

[RobDownSouth]

Can you say Dr. Ben Carson? Oh wait, its the dems that piss all over this guy,, hmm just because he is black i wonder?

"Doctor" Ben Carson is a churlish assclown who became the Republican party's Great Black Hope when he transformed a non-denominational prayer breakfast into a partisan shitfest.

Lately, he's taken to equating homosexuality with bestiality and child molesting. As such, he's forfeited the right to serious discussion.

 

[1sickbastard]

Guess what? This year's is even worse.

Okay, vis a vis the topic of this thread (i.e. intelligence, independent thought and education) How is the TxGop 2014 'worse'?
First, you gotta define what you mean by 'worse', then specify how said document meets that definition.

Because at least in the 2014 platform, they are no longer explicitly against higher order thinking skills or critical thinking.

"Knowledge Based Education- We oppose the teaching of values clarification and similar
programs that focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s
fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority. Rather, we encourage the teaching of critical
thinking skills, including logic, rhetoric and analytical sciences "
~Pg 20 of both the pdf & the actual document.

The rest of the 'education agenda' seems to be, basically, the same.

 

[about_average]

We oppose the teaching of values clarification and similar programs that focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority. Rather, we encourage the teaching of critical thinking skills, including logic, rhetoric and analytical sciences "

Maybe it's just me, but the two highlighted seem sort of mutually exclusive.

 

[1sickbastard]

Maybe it's just me, but the two highlighted seem sort of mutually exclusive.

Critical thinking is not necessarily the same as free thinking or being able to challenge one's fixed beliefs.
They are similar in many regards, but not identical.

 

[RjThoughts]

Critical thinking is not necessarily the same as free thinking or being able to challenge one's fixed beliefs.
They are similar in many regards, but not identical.

The Texan GOP want their youths to think critically within the boundaries of good Christianity. (That means those Jesuit Catholic schools are BAD, but Baylor is good.)

 

[KingOrfeo]

Okay, vis a vis the topic of this thread (i.e. intelligence, independent thought and education) How is the TxGop 2014 'worse'?

Well, I'm looking at the whole thing, as Bill Moyers summarized it: "Reparative therapy" for gays, reduced funding for public education at all levels (seriously), climate change dismissed as a "political agenda," and it gets even stupider/crazier:

All of this is disturbing enough, but what may be the most troubling are the platform planks urging the elimination of virtually any federal authority, the repeal of certain parts of the Constitution or insisting on archaic interpretations that most of us thought were put to bed more than a century ago. Executive decisions by any agency would have to be approved by Congress and as for all “unelected bureaucrats” – you mean civil servants, too? – “…we urge Congress to use their constitutional authority to defund and abolish these positions and return authority to duly elected officials.” Further, the FBI, DEA, ATF, immigration officers – ANY federal enforcement activities within Texas “must be conducted under the auspices of the county sheriff with jurisdiction in that county.”

The Texas GOP supports repealing the 17th Amendment, which in 1913 established the direct election of US senators by the voters, taking that power away from state legislatures, which famously could be bought for pretzels and cheese. In the Gilded Age, in part because of the ease of wholesale bribery at the state level, corporations like Standard Oil and Union Pacific had the US Senate in their pocket (not that it’s much better these days).

In their frenzied dreamland, what’s left of the Voting Rights Act would be repealed and more stringent restrictions on who’s allowed to vote would be put in place, further disenfranchising minorities. What’s more, Congress is to “withhold Supreme Court jurisdiction in cases involving abortion, religious freedom and the Bill of Rights” (!) and the Texas state legislature is to “ignore, oppose, refuse, and nullify any federal mandated legislation which infringes upon the states’ 10th Amendment Right.” State nullification of federal law has been consistently forbidden by the Supreme Court since 1809 and, with slavery, was at the core of the losing Confederate cause 150 years ago. Then it was again used unsuccessfully by those opposed to the civil rights movement of the sixties. Still, it refuses to go away, like an antibiotic-resistant strain of strep.

As for the platform's section on education (p. 19), it begins with stuff like "Students should have the right to read the Bible on school property." Can't they do that now?! And they want to "teach the controversy" on evolution, which is like giving flat-Earthers equal time in an astronomy class; oppose any use of Common Core (I'm sure it has its flaws, but not to the point where there should be any ideological/partisan division over it -- they are objecting to any national standards in education); oppose any sex education or counseling beyond basic reproductive biology and abstinence-only; and support "emphasis on the Judeo-Christian principles on which America was founded," etc. That last one is especially rich. See above -- Texas Republicans themselves are apparently not Americans at all, any more.

 

[RjThoughts]

Well, I'm looking at the whole thing, as Bill Moyers summarized it: "Reparative therapy" for gays, reduced funding for public education at all levels (seriously), climate change dismissed as a "political agenda," and it gets even stupider/crazier:



As for the platform's section on education (p. 19), it begins with stuff like "Students should have the right to read the Bible on school property." Can't they do that now?! And they want to "teach the controversy" on evolution, which is like giving flat-Earthers equal time in an astronomy class; oppose any use of Common Core (I'm sure it has its flaws, but not to the point where there should be any ideological/partisan division over it -- they are objecting to any national standards in education); oppose any sex education or counseling beyond basic reproductive biology and abstinence-only; and support "emphasis on the Judeo-Christian principles on which America was founded," etc. That last one is especially rich. See above -- Texas Republicans themselves are apparently not Americans at all, any more.

Throw to those people that the Constitution has more in common with the Iroquois Confederacy than the Bible, and watch their heads explode!

Nephews were "educated" in Texas. Older one, when he spoke of that and backed it with actual facts, was almost expelled. Yeah..some "educated" Texan GOP think this country was founded on Biblical principles.

 

[about_average]

Critical thinking is not necessarily the same as free thinking or being able to challenge one's fixed beliefs.
They are similar in many regards, but not identical.

Yeah, I agree for the most part, but critical thinking is a lot more useful if you also use it challenge your own beliefs. And an excellent way to learn it.

 

[1sickbastard]

Well, I'm looking at the whole thing, as Bill Moyers summarized it: "Reparative therapy" for gays, reduced funding for public education at all levels (seriously), climate change dismissed as a "political agenda," and it gets even stupider/crazier:



As for the platform's section on education (p. 19), it begins with stuff like "Students should have the right to read the Bible on school property." Can't they do that now?! And they want to "teach the controversy" on evolution, which is like giving flat-Earthers equal time in an astronomy class; oppose any use of Common Core (I'm sure it has its flaws, but not to the point where there should be any ideological/partisan division over it -- they are objecting to any national standards in education); oppose any sex education or counseling beyond basic reproductive biology and abstinence-only; and support "emphasis on the Judeo-Christian principles on which America was founded," etc. That last one is especially rich. See above -- Texas Republicans themselves are apparently not Americans at all, any more.

Like I said, the section on education didn't change substantially, and overall, the platform hasn't changed much either.

But yes, the basic goal is to regress society back to the early 20th century social norms

 

[1sickbastard]

Yeah, I agree for the most part, but critical thinking is a lot more useful if you also use it challenge your own beliefs. And an excellent way to learn it.

Critical thinking is at it's best when accompanied by free thinking.
Free thinking is the true threat, because it often does force one to examine and challenge one's preconceptions. Worse, free thinking allows one to overcome indoctrination, which I think is the real issue.

 

[DooleyDarter]

"Doctor" Ben Carson is a churlish assclown who became the Republican party's Great Black Hope when he transformed a non-denominational prayer breakfast into a partisan shitfest.

Lately, he's taken to equating homosexuality with bestiality and child molesting. As such, he's forfeited the right to serious discussion.

Much the same as you have each time you post

 

[dan_c00000]

*L* so you actually listen to the bullshit that rolls out of your mouth/keyboard. It does offer a lot of comic relief

How can it be out of my mouth when he said it? There's even a video of him saying.

Anyway, you seem like a real piece of shit so I'll try not to engage with you.

 

[DooleyDarter]

How can it be out of my mouth when he said it? There's even a video of him saying.

Anyway, you seem like a real piece of shit so I'll try not to engage with you.

*L* me a piece of shit? your the one with a piece of corn and a peanut on your chin