Women Don't Like Sex!!!!!!!

[StrayKat]

I would be more concerned about why would someone feel the need to fake an orgasm than if it can be faked.

 

[dolf]

but, yeah, that set in stone mentality that you can make all women turn into quivering piles of mush is a huge turn off. with that post i'm convinced, it absolutely is an ego thing.
I don't appreciate the pressure, I don't like the hours of foreplay, I don't actually enjoy orgasm in that sort of situation. and there are many like me.

 

[cowslinger64]

but, yeah, that set in stone mentality that you can make all women turn into quivering piles of mush is a huge turn off. with that post i'm convinced, it absolutely is an ego thing.
I don't appreciate the pressure, I don't like the hours of foreplay, I don't actually enjoy orgasm in that sort of situation. and there are many like me.

I never said that. I said in my experience. What is with you people here that insist on putting words into others posts?

 

[dolf]

I would be more concerned about why would someone feel the need to fake an orgasm than if it can be faked.

sometimes because, if they really like a guy, and his mind is as utterly inflexible and in denial of the truth of female sexuality as this guy is, it's a hell of a lot easier than the bang-your-head-against-a-wall conversation i'm having right now.

 

[turquoise_sky]

The idea comes from men. From Christian patriarchy. It stems from the virgin/whore dichotomy reinforced by Victorian values. Ongoing in Tabloid media

Its a mysoginism that is so widespread even some women accept it - good girls don't do that. Look at the terms we use for people with many partners and their connotations. Men are players, lads - all positive connotations, Women are sluts, whores - all negative. Find a name for a woman who enjoys sex

That said I've never personally met a man who thinks women don't enjoy sex but many of them still judge us for it, especially when the sex we are having isn't with them

Hi, Monica:

Thanks. This theory is the first one that came to my mind. I think you're probably on to something. Of course, living in Western culture, I'm well versed with this idea, especially the Mary/Mary dual standard applied to women.

I was wondering if there might be other thinking.

For example, there are economic theories out there that look interesting. Of course that could still be some men trying to figure out why they aren't getting any and why that's the fault of women.

Thanks again!

 

[turquoise_sky]

I don't believe it's such a bizarre idea. Generally speaking, single men and some married men indulge in casual sex whenever the opportunity arises, and this is not so with women. I remember quite well when most girls and women were adamantly opposed to non-marital sex, and it is kind of a hangover from there.

Good points, thanks.

 

[StrayKat]

sometimes because, if they really like a guy, and his mind is as utterly inflexible and in denial of the truth of female sexuality as this guy is, it's a hell of a lot easier than the bang-your-head-against-a-wall conversation i'm having right now.

Even if I really liked a guy, that kind of inflexibility would a) put me off b) make me think he is no good for any kind of longer term. So I would probably pass.

 

[cowslinger64]

sometimes because, if they really like a guy, and his mind is as utterly inflexible and in denial of the truth of female sexuality as this guy is, it's a hell of a lot easier than the bang-your-head-against-a-wall conversation i'm having right now.

The feeling is mutual.


You know jack shit about me.. So I'll get off this ride now, since it's been a total waste and isn't getting any better.

 

[turquoise_sky]

I was raised in my very religious Grandparents home. Sex was never discussed. It was deemed to be only for procreation and with your spouse on your wedding night.

For years I thought I was a dirty, frigid bitch who didn't like sex. I was ashamed and disgusted by sex and was practically disowned when I got pregnant before marriage.

Turns out I was wrong.

I don't lie back, think of England and lay still like a good wife should. (According to the teachings I grew up with.)

I found a guy who is great and found out that I love sex. It isn't dirty or disgusting.

Thanks for your input. I'm glad that you've managed to move past your assumptions about yourself. That takes strength and courage.

 

[turquoise_sky]

I would be more concerned about why would someone feel the need to fake an orgasm than if it can be faked.

Indeed.

My first pass at researching the literature is indicating that in the US women really don't enjoy sex as much as men. Often women's pleasure is equated to orgasm which seems a little narrow to me, but I am just getting at the corpus. So to speak.

Thanks!!

 

[StrayKat]

You know jack shit about me..

Lets say you meet really lovely woman, by your standards, and you end in bed, everything being just great up to that point. She tells you then that she has a problem orgasming and any kind of pressure or trying too much puts her off. Since you dont know each other that well (yet), she would rather enjoy that night without an orgasm.
What would you say?

 

[cowslinger64]

Lets say you meet really lovely woman, by your standards, and you end in bed, everything being just great up to that point. She tells you then that she has a problem orgasming and any kind of pressure or trying too much puts her off. Since you dont know each other that well (yet), she would rather enjoy that night without an orgasm.
What would you say?

I wouldn't have a problem with that.. at all. What that other knucklehead is trying to make me out to be, couldn't be further from the truth. I realize that a lot of a womans orgasm is mental.. it really isn't my first day.

I enjoy the feel and touch of a woman.. and the intimacy that goes with it. Her pleasure IS my pleasure and if she felt like she couldn't let go, then taking time and letting her get to feel comfortable with me wouldn't bother me....unless there were underlying issues that couldn't be fixed.

I told a couple women friends I have here what she said...and they busted out laughing.

 

[dolf]

Even if I really liked a guy, that kind of inflexibility would a) put me off b) make me think he is no good for any kind of longer term. So I would probably pass.

the foolishness of youth.

these days I just don't bother with guys who insist they can and do make every woman O, but when I was younger I thought that these guys might be right (because they are so utterly convinced that they are). fortunately there are guys out there who are ok with accepting that women might have different ideas about the perfect shag.

 

[StrayKat]

I wouldn't have a problem with that.. at all.

Then I dont see any problems.

If you realize not everyone is about orgasm every time, and are willing to let go and just enjoy the ride, I dont mind you bragging how good lover you are otherwise

I told a couple women friends I have here what she said...and they busted out laughing.

Then they are clueless, cruel and inconsiderate.
Laughing at someone just because they are different is not showing anything but ignorance.

 

[cowslinger64]

the foolishness of youth.

these days I just don't bother with guys who insist they can and do make every woman O, but when I was younger I thought that these guys might be right (because they are so utterly convinced that they are). fortunately there are guys out there who are ok with accepting that women might have different ideas about the perfect shag.

This is what happens when you make snap judgements without any knowledge..

I just turned 50...wouldn't call that being a youngster.

 

[cowslinger64]

Then I dont see any problems.

If you realize not everyone is about orgasm every time, and are willing to let go and just enjoy the ride, I dont mind you bragging how good lover you are otherwise



Then they are clueless, cruel and inconsiderate.
Laughing at someone just because they are different is not showing anything but ignorance.

I wasn't bragging or being arrogant about it. I was just saying and pointing out things about me and how I treat a woman. Thats all.


No, they laughed because she said I was someone that would force myself on a woman, I'm inflexible and do it to feed my ego. They know how ridiculous that is.

 

[dolf]

Then they are clueless, cruel and inconsiderate.
Laughing at someone just because they are different is not showing anything but ignorance.

meh, some people are incredulous when you tell them that some people don't like candy. of course, it's not certain that at least one of them wasn't laughing to disguise her own discomfort at an uncomfortable secret of her own.

maybe the women I know are just smarter, because they are all aware that there is a range (even if parts of it make no sense to them).

 

[dolf]

This is what happens when you make snap judgements without any knowledge..

I just turned 50...wouldn't call that being a youngster.

this is what happens when you make snap judgements *sigh*

the foolishness of youth was posted in response to this,

Even if I really liked a guy, that kind of inflexibility would a) put me off b) make me think he is no good for any kind of longer term. So I would probably pass.

as a reason why I would have even bothered sleeping with men like that.

you are quite obviously your age.

 

[cowslinger64]

meh, some people are incredulous when you tell them that some people don't like candy. of course, it's not certain that at least one of them wasn't laughing to disguise her own discomfort at an uncomfortable secret of her own.

maybe the women I know are just smarter, because they are all aware that there is a range (even if parts of it make no sense to them).

You're just another typical GB troll... making up stuff to suit your purpose.

You'd make the perfect right winger here.

 

[dolf]

No, they laughed because she said I was someone that would force myself on a woman, I'm inflexible and do it to feed my ego. They know how ridiculous that is.

and now you're just being a fucking arsehole. seeing as only me & stray are responding to this, and you were speaking to stray at the ime, the only 'she' left is me. which is an outright fucking lie. at no point have I implied you force anything on anyone, arsehole.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Spoken like a true beta

Manosphere Glossary:

Beta: A guy who is somewhat inept with women and relationships, either because he isn't cool, tough, confident or handsome enough to be an alpha, or perhaps because he doesn't buy into all this alpha/beta pick-up artist shit at all.

 

[cowslinger64]

sometimes because, if they really like a guy, and his mind is as utterly inflexible and in denial of the truth of female sexuality as this guy is, it's a hell of a lot easier than the bang-your-head-against-a-wall conversation i'm having right now.

and now you're just being a fucking arsehole. seeing as only me & stray are responding to this, and you were speaking to stray at the ime, the only 'she' left is me. which is an outright fucking lie. at no point have I implied you force anything on anyone, arsehole.

There's part of it, the rest is what I gather from your bullshit.


One of my very first posts here you said something vile and disgusting about my mom... you came very close to receiving a new asshole then but I let it slide. So feel free to go ahead and fuck yourself. You're just another fuckin troll.

 

[dolf]

There's part of it, the rest is what I gather from your bullshit.


One of my very first posts here you said something vile and disgusting about my mom... you came very close to receiving a new asshole then but I let it slide. So feel free to go ahead and fuck yourself. You're just another fuckin troll.

that doesn't come anywhere near an implication that you force yourself on anyone. you're a liar and a troll. you imply I practically accuse you of rape and you have nothing to back that up. liar. troll.

though, looking back, stray took issue with 'make her', so maybe you just can't tell one woman from another.

whatever. trolls go on iggy. bye.

 

[bronzeage]

Actually some people get off on exactly that.

The best way to feel really dirty is to take a shower with me.

 

[dolf]

The best way to feel really dirty is to take a shower with me.

now that I believe.