Pew Political Typology 2014 -- where do you fit?

[BotanyBoy]

How is he any more authoritarian than W?

Because nigrah!!!

 

[toubab]

How is he any more authoritarian than W?

Check the SCOTUS 9-0 slapdown on his recess appointment bullshit.

 

[Que]

Given the range of questions, "Business Conservative" is a little simplistic.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Check the SCOTUS 9-0 slapdown on his recess appointment bullshit.

As long as he doesn't blow off SCOTUS and do it anyhow he's still not more authoritarian than any other POTUS.

 

[toubab]

As long as he doesn't blow off SCOTUS and do it anyhow he's still not more authoritarian than any other POTUS.

Hell, he would reach Lincoln status if he did that.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Given the range of questions, "Business Conservative" is a little simplistic.

Seems to be pretty spot on...youz a republican.

Hell, he would reach Lincoln status if he did that.

Exactly so considering the guy makes Reagan look like a flaming communist and W look like old school chums who planned this from the get go, the only real reason the RWCJ is all bent out of shape about Obama? Because nigrah....

 

[KingOrfeo]

Given the range of questions, "Business Conservative" is a little simplistic.

See post #9 --

In order to address the sensitivity of cluster analysis to the order in which cases are entered, each cluster model was run several thousand times, and the results compared, to identify the solution that produced the set of groups that were both homogeneous internally and different from one another with respect to the set of political values.

Eight typology groups is the number that processed produced this time around (the 2011 version had nine groups), and "Business Conservative" is simply the name they decided to assign to one of those.

 

[Que]

Economic Left/Right: 6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.56

Interesting that this methodology is quite similar to my clock-wise, counter-clockwise construction. Just round the corners of the paper, that no ones answers will tuck them into anyway.

Of course Eeyore in his boundless superiority went on about big hand and little hands and how only he is appropriately politically aware..

 

[KingOrfeo]

Hell, he would reach Lincoln status if he did that.

Lincoln made some decisions, like suspending habeas corpus, that he acknowledged at the time were of dubious constitutionality and might land him in trouble when the war was over; and he was prepared to face that trouble and accept the consequences, it was in his judgment a necessary sacrifice under the unprecedented circumstances. But, he never actually defied a SCOTUS ruling, AFAIK.

 

[toubab]

Lincoln made some decisions, like suspending habeas corpus, that he acknowledged at the time were of dubious constitutionality and might land him in trouble when the war was over; and he was prepared to face that trouble and accept the consequences, it was in his judgment a necessary sacrifice under the unprecedented circumstances. But, he never actually defied a SCOTUS ruling, AFAIK.

Ex Parte Merryman.

 

[Que]

Nixon resigned on a 9-0 SCOTUS decision. Obama's legislation by pen and phone is pretty autocratic. If SCOTUS rules 9-0 against him on fast and furious "executive privilege" (as they should), does anyone believe he will turn-over complete, not-redacted, unmolested files?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Since we're dragging out the Nolan Chart, see also the Pournelle Chart.

http://wmbriggs.com/pics/pournelle_chart.gif

Of course, none of these conceptual models are really relevant to what the Pew Center is doing here, see post #57.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I always liked these things...not that mine is much of a shocker but I'll share anyhow.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-3.00&soc=-6.72

Now I gotta haul ass big time.

 

[Que]

I always liked these things...not that mine is much of a shocker but I'll share anyhow.

Now I gotta haul ass big time.

I figure yours leaned that way from being a little less trusting of Corporate America.

Given that I have hated working for and been screwed in one way or another by each corporation I have ever worked for (notably the family one as well) one would think I would have a more realistic view of the world.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I figure yours leaned that way from being a little less trusting of Corporate America.

Given that I have hated working for and been screwed in one way or another by each corporation I have ever worked for (notably the family one as well) one would think I would have a more realistic view of the world.

So, whom do you trust more -- the corporations or the government?

 

[patient1]

I doubt you'll find many, if any, presidents who aren't.

I'll take this rare opportunity to agree with Sean.

It's the nature of the job, whoever it may be. Whether he's wearing his presidential hat or his world leader one, whenever he thinks he knows the right thing to do, he wants to do it. Now. Then move on to the next issue.

As Lee Iacocca said- "Lead, follow, or get out of the way!"




EDIT- I'm a "Young Outsider." I'm not young, but it's the best of those Pew boxes to jam me in.

 

[Que]

So, whom do you trust more -- the corporations or the government?

corporations of course...staffed by marginally competent people as opposed to being steered by completely incompetent and often somewhat senile incumbents elected by a vast, propagandized electorate.

Besides government is run by the worst of the corporations.

The only thing the government successfully accomplishes is spend money, and even that isn't allocated efficiently, the accounting controls suck and they pay far too much for everything.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

I don't know how any intelligent person could fail to realize Obama is an authoritarian.

I dunno, how any intelligent person could fail to realize how far to the right Obama actually is; or that Mitt is more authoritarian.

If you look at the other graph McCain/Palin are even worse than Mitt.

Woof!

 

[toubab]

I dunno, how any intelligent person could fail to realize how far to the right Obama actually is; or that Mitt is more authoritarian.

If you look at the other graph McCain/Palin are even worse than Mitt.

Woof!

You don't have to be on the right to be an authoritarian. Authoritarians come in different stripes.

 

[trysail]

Political tags — such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth — are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.

-Robert A. Heinlein​

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[KingOrfeo]

Ex Parte Merryman.

The case was rendered moot by Lincoln's subsequent order in February 1862 to release almost everyone held as a political prisoner.[2]

 

[toubab]

The case was rendered moot by Lincoln's subsequent order in February 1862 to release almost everyone held as a political prisoner.[2]

That doesn't change the fact Lincoln ignored a court ruling, and got away with it until it became more or less moot in 1862. The fact of the matter is he could have gotten away with it longer, probably permanently. The truth is the judiciary has no way of enforcing a ruling against the executive branch. None.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The truth is the judiciary has no way of enforcing a ruling against the executive branch. None.

Hmm. Is there any country where that would not be true?

 

[toubab]

Hmm. Is there any country where that would not be true?

Not so far as I'm aware. But people in the US don't seem to realize it applies here, as well.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

You don't have to be on the right to be an authoritarian. Authoritarians come in different stripes.

Did I say they did?

Woof!