Incest stories and comfort levels.

[MayorReynolds]

I'm finally close to finishing the last installment of a three part lesbian incest series I've posted here.

It got me thinking. Regarding the Incest/Taboo category, the general attitude around here seems to be a preference toward male/female incest stories. People (and trolls) get annoyed when it's just girl-on-girl, and at some point in the future I might make a go at an incest tale with male participants.

Now I enjoy writing lesbian incest because 1). It's a huge turn-on for me, and 2). the idea of writing male/female incest doesn't feel...right. I can read them certainly, jerk off to them sure. But as far as writing my own, well I have a sister, several girl cousins, and an "adopted niece" and I get this thought in my head that if I write a father/daughter, uncle/niece, mother/daughter pairing I'll be betraying these IRL people somehow. I'm supposed to be a protector, a role-model, good person, etc. The stories definitely wouldn't be about them, but it will still feel weird.

Has anyone else ever run into this? Is it wise to write incest stories when one has these hangups? Should I give it a try or leave it alone? What are some methods for overcoming subject matter discomfort?

 

[RejectReality]

If it's creeping you out that much, don't write it.

I've never noticed trolling of lesbian incest stories. Then again, I haven't seen many of them, and that could be a reason why. Maybe someone who writes a lot in the category can provide more insight.

 

[49greg]

I'm finally close to finishing the last installment of a three part lesbian incest series I've posted here.

It got me thinking. Regarding the Incest/Taboo category, the general attitude around here seems to be a preference toward male/female incest stories. People (and trolls) get annoyed when it's just girl-on-girl, and at some point in the future I might make a go at an incest tale with male participants.

Now I enjoy writing lesbian incest because 1). It's a huge turn-on for me, and 2). the idea of writing male/female incest doesn't feel...right. I can read them certainly, jerk off to them sure. But as far as writing my own, well I have a sister, several girl cousins, and an "adopted niece" and I get this thought in my head that if I write a father/daughter, uncle/niece, mother/daughter pairing I'll be betraying these IRL people somehow. I'm supposed to be a protector, a role-model, good person, etc. The stories definitely wouldn't be about them, but it will still feel weird.

Has anyone else ever run into this? Is it wise to write incest stories when one has these hangups? Should I give it a try or leave it alone? What are some methods for overcoming subject matter discomfort?

I've written some Mother/son stories. The thought of my own mom and I is horrible to me. Partly because she isn't a nice person, and we've never been close. My brother is a moma's boy and I'm my Dad's son type thing.

But I always used to get turned on by a friend's mom when I was a teen. There were times, alone in bed at night with a handful of tissues, when I imagined I was my friend's son. I think that's where I get my inspiration.

As for Dad/Daughter or niece type stories I'm pretty much in the same boat as you. A guy shouldn't take advantage of women he's supposed to be a guardian of. I know it's a double standard to not feel that way about mom/son relationships. I guess I felt like I was able to take care of myself when I was a teen. (Now I know that wasn't true, being young sometimes equates with being dumb.) I feel I could write a younger brother with his sister story, but then I don't have a sister.

I agree with the other poster, if a subject creeps you out, don't write about it.

 

[allamagione]

I think I know what you mean. Reading incest really turns me on. But I struggle when writing it myself because part of me can never completely empathize with wanting to screw a relative. Which is frustrating because… I really want to write it!

That said, I think life is too short to write things you don't want to write, especially for free. So if writing about lesbian incest makes you happy, who cares what readers want?

 

[VenusButterflies]

I'm finally close to finishing the last installment of a three part lesbian incest series I've posted here.

It got me thinking. Regarding the Incest/Taboo category, the general attitude around here seems to be a preference toward male/female incest stories. People (and trolls) get annoyed when it's just girl-on-girl, and at some point in the future I might make a go at an incest tale with male participants.

Now I enjoy writing lesbian incest because 1). It's a huge turn-on for me, and 2). the idea of writing male/female incest doesn't feel...right. I can read them certainly, jerk off to them sure. But as far as writing my own, well I have a sister, several girl cousins, and an "adopted niece" and I get this thought in my head that if I write a father/daughter, uncle/niece, mother/daughter pairing I'll be betraying these IRL people somehow. I'm supposed to be a protector, a role-model, good person, etc. The stories definitely wouldn't be about them, but it will still feel weird.

Has anyone else ever run into this? Is it wise to write incest stories when one has these hangups? Should I give it a try or leave it alone? What are some methods for overcoming subject matter discomfort?

Given your hangups, it's interesting that you're comfortable writing a lesbian incest story when you have so many females in your family -- I would think you'd have the same hangup with that.

Part of the allure of incest stories is in the hangups with it, the discomfort, the eating of the forbidden fruit, so-to-speak. But if you're completely uncomfortable with writing it, and can't siphon that dilemma into your character development, then don't write it. You'll hold back too much in the entire narrative.

In order to get over that hangup, I'd suggest making up your own fantasy first instead of reading other stories. My daddy/daughter story has nothing to do with my own father, but someone I made up. I masturbated to it for a long time before putting anything to paper. I hadn't even planned on it, and then one day I felt like writing it. So maybe that's a way you can get past it? You have to become comfortable with it enough in yourself first. Fantasizing about being with a daughter/niece type is one way to do it.

But this: "I'm supposed to be a protector, a role-model, good person, etc." --That's a perfect way to start off the story you have in mind.

 

[MayorReynolds]

But this: "I'm supposed to be a protector, a role-model, good person, etc." --That's a perfect way to start off the story you have in mind.

Seems like a good way to start off any moral dilemma story, not just incest . "I'm supposed to be a protector, a role-model, a good person, but now I'm an arms smuggler/assassin/counterfeit jeans dealer/cat juggler."

I see what you mean, though. That line is a good lead-in for a lot of taboo possibilities. Like the story could open with a guy who's been letting his niece (18+) stay with him while his sister is away on a trip, and fade in to them having had a sexual relationship for the last four days. He wants to stop, he knows it's wrong, he hates himself, but she keeps coming onto him and surprising him. "She's my niece! My blood! How could this happen, you ask? Well..."

But yeah, it's uncomfortable territory for now. I can't explain how I ended up loving lesbian incest except to say that I already found lesbians alluring and adding an incestuous layer to it was a 'safe' enough taboo. That said, if I found out my own mom was banging my sister, a female friend was sleeping with her daughter or even just neighbors I saw every once in a while but otherwise didn't care about, I would probably need to take a soul-searching vacation by myself on the spiritual level of a quirky indie movie.

 

[MayorReynolds]

Actually, now that I just thought up that uncle/niece scenario that might be a promising idea for a new story!

 

[Hypoxia]

A basic binary choice: Either stay within your comfort level, or try to push out of it. It's your call.

Personally, incest is NOT my fetish, yet I write various incest stories. Within my comfort zone, I don't visualize my own kin (most of them, anyway ) and I avoid power asymmetry, where one family member essentially forces themself on another. I *may* write stories exploring power games -- I can see myself crossing that line. I can't see myself glamorizing it.

One trick: mental compartmentalization. Separate your 'reading' and 'writing' selves. I am not comfortable with non-con. I don't search-out non-con stories to read. And yet, I've written a few stories where that's a major element. How? I switch-on the 'storyteller' and switch-off the 'censor' parts of my mind. I concentrate on writing readable text that will affect readers. If readers are moved one way or another, then I've done my job, even if I don't really like what I've written. I compartmentalized.

Writers of murder stories hopefully follow a similar strategy. Writing about murder isn't the same as lusting for murder. Writing about non-con (or incest, or BDSM, or whatever) isn't the same as pursuing that fetish. We're writing fiction, hopefully. We can separate reality from fantasy, right? Right?

 

[MatthewVett]

I'm finally close to finishing the last installment of a three part lesbian incest series I've posted here.

It got me thinking. Regarding the Incest/Taboo category, the general attitude around here seems to be a preference toward male/female incest stories. People (and trolls) get annoyed when it's just girl-on-girl, and at some point in the future I might make a go at an incest tale with male participants.

Now I enjoy writing lesbian incest because 1). It's a huge turn-on for me, and 2). the idea of writing male/female incest doesn't feel...right. I can read them certainly, jerk off to them sure. But as far as writing my own, well I have a sister, several girl cousins, and an "adopted niece" and I get this thought in my head that if I write a father/daughter, uncle/niece, mother/daughter pairing I'll be betraying these IRL people somehow. I'm supposed to be a protector, a role-model, good person, etc. The stories definitely wouldn't be about them, but it will still feel weird.

Has anyone else ever run into this? Is it wise to write incest stories when one has these hangups? Should I give it a try or leave it alone? What are some methods for overcoming subject matter discomfort?

I've written incest stories, and I've managed to keep the stories divorced entirely from real relatives. Partly because the characters are nothing like my relatives, partly because I'm good at compartmentalization to begin with. But there's no obligation for you to write stuff that makes you uncomfortable. Write what feels best, and I think you'll end up with the best stories.

 

[USMCBabyGirl]

My Husband and I personally love to read ALL of these different kind of stories! However I do find myself not being able to read about parent or grandparent/son or daughter stories. We are attempting to write a story as well. Keep writing what feels good to you! I look forward to reading your stuff.

 

[lovecraft68]

I've written some Mother/son stories. The thought of my own mom and I is horrible to me. Partly because she isn't a nice person, and we've never been close. My brother is a moma's boy and I'm my Dad's son type thing.

But I always used to get turned on by a friend's mom when I was a teen. There were times, alone in bed at night with a handful of tissues, when I imagined I was my friend's son. I think that's where I get my inspiration.

As for Dad/Daughter or niece type stories I'm pretty much in the same boat as you. A guy shouldn't take advantage of women he's supposed to be a guardian of. I know it's a double standard to not feel that way about mom/son relationships. I guess I felt like I was able to take care of myself when I was a teen. (Now I know that wasn't true, being young sometimes equates with being dumb.) I feel I could write a younger brother with his sister story, but then I don't have a sister.

I agree with the other poster, if a subject creeps you out, don't write about it.

I think you really hit a lot on the head here at least for me. We seem to have the same feelings.

I think writing about "A" mom with her son is hot, but its never My mom. And I think the Milf or best friend's mom thing is in a way a safe extension of a maternal fantasy much in the way that some young women like older men as a bit of a father figure as well as a lover, not quite a full daddy complex, but the same authority older stronger man dynamic.

I have noticed a big double standard between Male female incest.

Mom? Hot. Auntie? Hot.

Dad? Uncle? Sleazy and somehow has rape overtones even when not written in anyway like that. It seems more an abuse of position for some reason.

In fact I have noticed a lot of Dad daughter stories have the daughter as the aggressor and I often wonder if that is the authors way of trying to take away that abuse connotation.

As for uncle? For whatever reason that screams sleazy and abuse, its all those "uncle Chester the molester" type things you hear about in r/l

 

[Hypoxia]

...I have noticed a lot of Dad daughter stories have the daughter as the aggressor and I often wonder if that is the authors way of trying to take away that abuse connotation.

Probably yes -- but it may be unconscious, if the aggressive-daughter trope just feels more comfortable to write. The plot decision may be based less on Dad-is-creepy than daughter-is-hot. I'll admit I don't read a lot of incest, so I don't know how many writers approach from either direction, nor the audience reactions. Do daughter-seduces-Dad stories get higher ratings?

As for uncle? For whatever reason that screams sleazy and abuse, its all those "uncle Chester the molester" type things you hear about in r/l

IRL an incestuous abuser is most likely 1) father, 2) brother, 3) uncle, and the abused is likely an underage girl. R/L is nasty. We're writing fantasies here. More-or-less pleasant adults willingly (or unknowingly) commit incest with no repercussions. Everyone has fun, HEA, la la la. Uncle Chester is a sexy nice guy. Fantasyland.

 

[lovecraft68]

To the OP. If it squicks you there is no reason to be pressured to write it. Lit is not a paid assignment its for fun and practice so if there is a "combo" in incest that disturbs you, there is no reason to visit it.

Even though one might like a category there are always factions and sub categories. In incest there are many that will read/write any combination. Others only enjoy mom/son or dad/daughter. Some only like sibling stories and are freaked by a parent being with their child.

My preference is Brother/sister, but a romance angle not stroke. I can write mom/son and again not stroke, it is a turn on and along the lines of milf fantasies I sometimes see it as a cougar/cub scenario when I write them.

There was a period of time I avoided dad/daughter because of the fact I have two daughters who are in their early twenties. I know I never had those thoughts about them, but I think my worry was what if anyone finds out who I am and think that?

I ended up getting over that but seeing two of the ones I wrote involve bondage and rough-but consensual-sex I'd really be getting some looks if I was "outed" But again the turn on is about a "daughter" not my daughter so I can handle it, if I was squicked I wouldn't waste my time.

 

[allamagione]

IRL an incestuous abuser is most likely 1) father, 2) brother, 3) uncle, and the abused is likely an underage girl. R/L is nasty. We're writing fantasies here. More-or-less pleasant adults willingly (or unknowingly) commit incest with no repercussions. Everyone has fun, HEA, la la la. Uncle Chester is a sexy nice guy. Fantasyland.

Well said.

I read and enjoy both uncle/niece and father/daughter incest, but pervy uncles somehow don't feel as creepy to me as pervy dads. I think it's the immediate family thing.

Actually, now that I just thought up that uncle/niece scenario that might be a promising idea for a new story!

Awesome! Best of luck writing it. I'd love to read it.

 

[drteetho]

I've only written one incest story. It was a dad-daughter one. That one felt "safe" to me, because I don't have any kids. Whereas I do have a mother, a sister, a niece, and several aunts and female cousins. So I would not ever write any incest stories with any of those possible combinations, because if I were ever outed (no one knows about my writing here at all), I wouldn't have to face accusations of actually wanting any of them sexually in real life. And, to be clear, while they are all wonderful women I don't think about any of them sexually at all.

But I do find reading older man - younger woman sex stories to be a big turn on, whether it be incest or not. Plus I did want to write such a story. So that's why my I entered my Nude Day contest story in the Mature category, and I got around the incest thing by making the man a "close friend" of the family (a single mother with a college-age daughter).

 

[MayorReynolds]

Yeah, after reading these replies I'm starting to see where a lot of my own 'squick' factor derives. It's that fear of being outed. I don't want to fuck any of my female relatives. I don't want to be Creepy Uncle Mayor; I'd like to stay Cool Uncle Mayor: The Adult Who Cares. But if IRL Mayor ever got linked to these stories, even the non-taboo ones, there'd be too many questions to answer.

Also, yes, IRL incest is terrible and more often than not involves sexual abuse that ruins kids for life. There are plenty of reasons why fucking your family is not cool. In the fantasy erotica world, however, incest can still be taboo but the participants live in a kind of hedonistic bonobo universe where fucking is all about pleasure with little or no consequences. And I think part of the appeal, aside from the forbidden fruit factor, is stroking to a female character who is so out of her gourd horny she'll even fuck her dad.

In fact when that uncle/niece idea struck me the 'aggressive female' trope was exactly what I had in mind, precisely because it creates a comfort zone when everybody is having fun and the penis half of the equation is some hapless dude instead of a monster. Take the domination/power imbalance factor away and he doesn't come off as a creep but just a guy with a relative starved for his cock.

 

[Hypoxia]

Yeah, after reading these replies I'm starting to see where a lot of my own 'squick' factor derives. It's that fear of being outed.

Many of my stories, incestuous or not, are based on real people and events, suitably disguised (hopefully). Those around me don't know they're subjects of my tales. I hope they never do know.

In fact when that uncle/niece idea struck me the 'aggressive female' trope was exactly what I had in mind, precisely because it creates a comfort zone when everybody is having fun and the penis half of the equation is some hapless dude instead of a monster. Take the domination/power imbalance factor away and he doesn't come off as a creep but just a guy with a relative starved for his cock.

I mostly divide my incest-fantasy stories into 'knowing' and 'unknowing'. In the 'knowing' tales, I usually present a fait accompli, without explaining why mom or sibling or cousin or someone wants the narrator. In the inadvertent incest tales, the participants don't know of their kinship until afterwards, and they get to decide what to do next. Women usually initiate the proceedings. Yes, these approaches minimize the squick factor.

Will I write beyond my comfort zone? Probably. Eventually.

 

[HeyAll]

I never equate anything I write with anything in my personal life.

It's not like I'm writing a journal here, or doing anything therapeutic.

If I write a mother/son stories, it's about the characters. It's about the son, if it's his pov. Or it's about mom, if it's told in her perspective.

That's what writing is all about. Making stuff up and telling stories so people have something nice to read.

 

[photobuff56]

I have had sex with my sister it doesn't bother me and I could write about it, if it bothers you don't do it. But it can be exciting.

 

[lovecraft68]

In fact when that uncle/niece idea struck me the 'aggressive female' trope was exactly what I had in mind, precisely because it creates a comfort zone when everybody is having fun and the penis half of the equation is some hapless dude instead of a monster. Take the domination/power imbalance factor away and he doesn't come off as a creep but just a guy with a relative starved for his cock.

Well said. If its the young girl looking for it it takes that edge off, especially if you throw in a little hesitation on the uncle or father's part.

I received a comment one time that made me think. The person was commenting on a mother/son story and said he enjoyed incest, but what he was always left with afterwards is not just "man, she just did her son" but also cheated on her husband with her son and many incest stories the mother/faher is still in the picture or the brother sister has a girlfriend boyfriend.

The hot aunt and horny uncle just totally betrayed their brother or sister....

So his point was for whatever reason thinking of the "other wounded parties" is what always made it unnerving for him. He said part of why he enjoyed mine is a lot of my M/S the father is deceased or out of the picture. In either circumstance its the plot device of the lonely, neglected mom and the son wanting to take care of her in place of the father.

I just found it an interesting theory and just shows how vastly different the readership is here

 

[MayorReynolds]

Well said. If its the young girl looking for it it takes that edge off, especially if you throw in a little hesitation on the uncle or father's part.

I received a comment one time that made me think. The person was commenting on a mother/son story and said he enjoyed incest, but what he was always left with afterwards is not just "man, she just did her son" but also cheated on her husband with her son and many incest stories the mother/faher is still in the picture or the brother sister has a girlfriend boyfriend.

The hot aunt and horny uncle just totally betrayed their brother or sister....

So his point was for whatever reason thinking of the "other wounded parties" is what always made it unnerving for him. He said part of why he enjoyed mine is a lot of my M/S the father is deceased or out of the picture. In either circumstance its the plot device of the lonely, neglected mom and the son wanting to take care of her in place of the father.

I just found it an interesting theory and just shows how vastly different the readership is here

That would bother me too. I see two solutions for working around that problem: either the father is either not around, like you said, or the author finds a way for the whole family to get involved so everybody ends up happy and having fun.

They probably shouldn't do what I did. I posted a lesbian incest story where the justification was that all the woman in the family inherited a genetic sexual attraction going way down the line...to other women in the family, and only other women. When I wrote the story I intentionally wanted the incest to have repercussions to make it a 'realistic' scenario (oh God,) so I threw in a husband of one of the aunts who is well aware of all the sapphic antics going on, is NOT cool with it, but ultimately decides to say "the hell with it" and stay with his wife because he just loves her too much.

In retrospect this was a very, very bad idea. I had commenters who felt sorry for Uncle Harry and wanted future installments where he got a piece of his daughter and nieces. I'd also created a total boner killer. There were pages upon Lit pages of related females having an all-girl fuckfest, and then I ended the first installment with a short concluding scene of Uncle Harry, sitting on the porch and nursing a beer while he laments his fucked up situation. It's a pratfall with the potential for creating post-orgasmic guilt. It's like if a guy stumbles upon nude photos of an old classmate and jerks off to them, but as soon as he cums his conscience reminds him that this is one thing his current girlfriend has specifically asked him not to do.

I tried to make up for it. In the second installment Uncle Harry decides he loves his wife too much to leave her, no matter how many times she comes home smelling like her sister, their daughter and their nieces. Uncle Harry decides to get over it by all by going on a vacation/spiritual journey by himself, thus leaving him alive and not Chuck Cunningham Syndromed out but still absent for installment # 3.

This also did not work. Readers were still heartbroken over Uncle Harry and/or wanted him to start fucking all the girls. Uncle Harry will always be a bone fragment in my Lit ankle. Goddamned Uncle Harry; Jesus shit Mayor, what were you thinking?

 

[MayorReynolds]

I have had sex with my sister it doesn't bother me and I could write about it, if it bothers you don't do it. But it can be exciting.

Have you written a story about it on here? If so could I have a link?

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm surprised I did not think of this sooner, but this thread is a good place to mention this.

A few months back I put out a father/daughter story called "Daddy Likes it rough and so do I"

As the title denotes it was some hardcore rough sex complete with the daughter being handcuffed.

But the story started out with the girl reading a paperback she bought on line that featured father's "punishing" their daughters and she was getting off on it ad thinking of her father so the edge of any abuse was taken away very early, it was obvious this was her characters desire.

I received a private feedback that said, "Your story was so fucking hot. It reminded me of how my daughter and I started out. She was younger than the girl in your story and she fight a lot in the beginning, but after awhile she really got into it and still is"

That comment really through me for several reasons. The first was that it seemed obvious his daughter was under 18 and his wording about "fighting" screamed non consent, the girl in my story had a little hesitation, but not much and the reader already knew she wanted it.

I kept trying to tell myself he was blowing smoke, a lot of people do it for some strange attention.

There is a thread "incest is best" in the fetish forum. You lok through that and you will lose any desire to ever write another incest story and its full of who knows how many posters insisting they have been banging away on their siblings cousins parents grand parents etc....their entire lives.

Its also full of guys stalking the female posters asking if they want online daddy's, its full of underage discussion even though the mod continues to "clean it up" and make threats of closing it down. It really is a reality check and that e-mail caused me to say I would never write another father daughter and seeing he left an actual e-mail to reply to I spent a week wondering if I should send it to the police and decided against it.

Reason being, he could just be full of shit and two? Picture going into the police station "So officer, I write these daddy/daughter stories and this guy responded and.....

I did write another one this year as it finally dawned on me that for the couple of sickos out there the majority of the people reading are just enjoying some harmless fun and I do get a kick out of writing taboo material. But it was something that struck a chord with me and I think I will at least avoid the rough sex aspects from now on.

Be a let down for some as at one point the "name" I had made here was based on incest/BDSM rough sex type crossover stories.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Our modern sensitivities aren't more than 40 years old. I just read a 1952 novel featuring two teens involved in incest. The book was published by a mainstream company. In this state it was legal to marry a child until 1926. From 1926 she had to be at least 13.

 

[loquere]

I'm finally close to finishing the last installment of a three part lesbian incest series I've posted here.

It got me thinking. Regarding the Incest/Taboo category, the general attitude around here seems to be a preference toward male/female incest stories. People (and trolls) get annoyed when it's just girl-on-girl, and at some point in the future I might make a go at an incest tale with male participants.

Now I enjoy writing lesbian incest because 1). It's a huge turn-on for me, and 2). the idea of writing male/female incest doesn't feel...right. I can read them certainly, jerk off to them sure. But as far as writing my own, well I have a sister, several girl cousins, and an "adopted niece" and I get this thought in my head that if I write a father/daughter, uncle/niece, mother/daughter pairing I'll be betraying these IRL people somehow. I'm supposed to be a protector, a role-model, good person, etc. The stories definitely wouldn't be about them, but it will still feel weird.

Has anyone else ever run into this? Is it wise to write incest stories when one has these hangups? Should I give it a try or leave it alone? What are some methods for overcoming subject matter discomfort?

I agree with you on the point of not writing paternal incest. I’ve written cousin incest & put lesbian incest in an Erotic Coupling story as well as step-incest. I’m probably going to write a bro-sis incest so I’m slowly loosening my moral shackles.

With saying the above, I need to add that I’ve never had a problem reading any Lit story. I simply don’t read to arouse myself. Believe it or not, I read seeking out interesting plot twists & development.