This may seem weird... The Hebrew Hammer.

[redanonymous]

It seems i have a thing for Jewish guys that has been developing for a while. I would really like to know if someone would be interested in creating a story based around the Hebrew Hammer... And I'd love to know anyone's thoughts on the subject also. I've been on this site a few times but just recently registered in order to ask about this.

 

[emap]

Funny little tidbit, The Hebrew Hammer is a movie. Made in 2003 it's about a jewish superhero who takes on santa clause's evil son to save Hannukah.

Don't really have anything else to say, the hammer bit caught my attention and sounded familiar so I searched. There is a second one being made where he takes on Hitler, website for it even.

Anyway I may take a look at this but don't hold your breath. If I do decide to write this it will take a while so I can read up on what Jewish guys do besides make jewelry, run banks, and make really good bagels. Before you ask it takes a little while so I can fit it all together into a person in the story. I can't write my stories in a couple hours even though it usually only takes that long for the short ones.

 

[bobbyinhouston]

Hebrew Hammer

Truly a silly movie! I laughed my ass off at least the 5 times I saw this movie.

Of course I laughed as much as watched I'm gonna get you sucker! Wyans Brothers Rock.

 

[bobbyinhouston]

Hammer

Of course I do have total respect for the Jewish faith. No disrespect, I have no hate in my bones.

 

[Hypoxia]

The original Hebrew Hammer was of course Kal-El aka Clark Kent.

 

[redanonymous]

Yeah, the guy from the movie is the character i was aiming at to be the subject of the story.



Clark Kent, like Superman's alter ego, was Jewish?

 

[emap]

Superman was created by a couple Jewish guys. As far as I know he is not a religion, though I don't read the comics and definitely not the first years.

Sort of a side note, besides Captain America I can't think of any comic superhero that is religious and he isn't attending church on a regular basis. But then I don't read the comics all that often either so maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Superman like most Americans, fictional or otherwise, is at least nominally Christian. He celebrates Christmas which most Jews don't. (I know some do.) He also "believes" in Santa Claus. Given the world he lives in though that may just mean that Santa is real in the DC universe. Honestly in American Fiction you should assume character is Christian (maybe practicing, maybe not) unless you are told otherwise. Magneto for example is a Jew, he was in the Concentration camps. Willow of Buffy is a Jew. The rest of the Buffy crew are sufficiently Christian that their families never question them wearing crucifixes. Spiderman gets married in a church. Etc, etc. I think you don't know the religion of most characters because they choose not to identify which particular type of Christian they have chosen to be, not that they aren't supposed to be Christian.

I find the story idea to be entertaining by the way.

 

[LWulf]

Superman's Kryptonian name (Kal-El) "-El" means "of God" in Hebrew (some say Kal-El means "voice of God"). There are many other attributes that Superman has that elicits continuities with the Jewish faith. However, this is not saying that Superman is Jewish. His Jewish creators simply put those attributes in him when writing the comic, for instance some compare Superman to Moses: born of parents who, as a baby cast him out in a basket, to be found by parents who raised him and grew to become a powerful figure. However, they (Simon and Shuster) took great pains to not describe Superman as being religious, while being respectiful of other people's religions. Originally, his creators had written him as an evil character, as the Aryan "uber man" which was Hitler's perversion of Nietzsche's concept. Then they changed him to be instead a force for good and thus Superman was created. (DC)

Katherine "Kitty" Pryde (aka Shadowcat) of the Xmen is Jewish. (Marvel)

As mention, Magneto is Jewish, likewise his kids Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are as well. (Marvel)

Colossal Boy and both his parents are Jewish (his mother was the president of Earth). (DC)

I can't remember who else it was, there was only one issue that mentions it to my recollection, but I think it was Nura Nal (aka Dream Girl of "Superboy and the Legion of Super Heroes") was also Jewish. (DC)

-geek out.

 

[redanonymous]

-geek in...

I knew most of that, with the exception of the Jewish superman thing. I've always followed Marvel quite a bit more than DC, but i do idolize the Amazons, particularly Orana.

 

[Hypoxia]

Wikipedia Category: Jewish Superheroes lists, among others:

Gim Allon
Vance Astrovik
Batwoman
Moon Knight
Atom (Ray Palmer)
Kitty Pryde
Quicksilver
Ragman
Albert Rothstein
Doc Samson
Scarlet Witch
Shaloman
Gertrude Yorkes

 

[Sean Renaud]

I admit I didn't know Shadowcat was Jewish and assumed that Quick Silver and Scarlet Witch had at some point become Christian. They seem to have rejected everything else about their father why not that? None of which however disproves my original point however that fictional Americans are Christian if not otherwise specified. Can we agree on that?

 

[redanonymous]

Eh, well, it actually seems like most hero characters fall under no religion, a fictional religion or are a god themselves. Like Thor. Which i like, very much. What is it with me and hammers?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Eh, well, it actually seems like most hero characters fall under no religion, a fictional religion or are a god themselves. Like Thor. Which i like, very much. What is it with me and hammers?

If they were no religion they would be labeled as such. Tony Stark being the prime example. They are Christian unless specified as otherwise.

 

[emap]

Sean you do realize it is impossible for anyone to agree with you right? I mean it's in the rulebook.

Not to say this discussion has anything to do with the original thought but it's rather fun.

Fairly sure most of the superheros are not really religious simply so the authors don't offend anyone, selling comics being the whole point. Which I suppose does mean that money is the root of all evil, or they actually want to be able to afford to pay rent and buy food.

 

[Hypoxia]

Considering that the de facto leading USA religions are NFL football (hand-egg) and money-worship, USA superheroes have no need to kowtow to mere deities, especially foreigners. Well, sexy goddesses and studly lords can be fun, sure, but so are were-unicorns. Seen any glorious superheroes or superheroines messing around with unicorns lately? I rest my case.

** football - one moves a round ball with one's foot (ie Association Football aka soccer)
** hand-egg - one moves an egg-shaped object with one's hand (ie NFL pansy-wapping)

 

[BurningMonkey]

** football - one moves a round ball with one's foot (ie Association Football aka soccer)
** hand-egg - one moves an egg-shaped object with one's hand (ie NFL pansy-wapping)

Up Arsenal! Go Gunners!

 

[Sean Renaud]

Sean you do realize it is impossible for anyone to agree with you right? I mean it's in the rulebook.

Not to say this discussion has anything to do with the original thought but it's rather fun.

Fairly sure most of the superheros are not really religious simply so the authors don't offend anyone, selling comics being the whole point. Which I suppose does mean that money is the root of all evil, or they actually want to be able to afford to pay rent and buy food.

People should stop being wrong all the time.

Again if it was about not offending people you wouldn't be able to rattle off more Jewish heroes than Christian ones. And while I'm sure some geek can find one I'm unaware of any Muslim or Hindu heroes.

 

[redanonymous]

Well, i Googled it, and when it comes to Marvel characters the Jewish characters outnumber all the other religions combined. Atheism has the fewest, being in the single digits, and Christianity is only right above that. Muslim is right below Judaism.

And i prefer to go by nerd, thank you very much.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I apologize for using the wrong term.

 

[walkerlong]

I'd agree that Christianity is the default in the USA. It's like fries with your hamburger. If you intend something else you have to explicitly say so.

 

[emap]

Sean I can't believe I have to point this out. Nerd is someone who is smarter than most and has an interest in comic books and role playing games. Don't ask me why. Usually but not always they have glasses and/or button up shirts with pocket protector.

Geeks are those who do hard sciences, rocket science and up. Steven Hawkin is a geek for example.

The not offending part is an old idea. When Superman, Batman and so forth were new, before Marvel even, it was decided to not do a religion for the superhero unless that was part of the schtick to not offend anyone. The intention was make him or her more or less universal so you simply translated to every language and sell it world over.

People got a little less hey this isn't exactly like me I hate it so it stopped mattering, but Magneto I'm fairly sure is the first superhero/villain with a religion. May have that part wrong, perhaps it's first major either with a religion.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I've always thought it was the other way around to be honest. Nerds are genuinely brilliant and hard working, geeks are just into geeky stuff.

I'd love to see where this is codified that no religion is specified not to be offensive. It sounds like BS since in America it's quite clear that not only is Christian the default but you'd offend a lot more people by not making your religion clear than you would by being Christian. Especially in the early half of last century when most of these people were coming out. There's also as was pointed out far more named Jews and Muslims than Christians. Because you are Christian and white unless otherwise specified.

 

[redanonymous]

Completely irrelevant:
Pocket protectors are sexy.

 

[Hypoxia]

Traditionally, the 'geek' was a sideshow act who bit the heads off live chickens. The exemplar was known as a "pencil-necked geek". I would much rather be a nerd, thank you very much.