The Ultimate Challenge..?

[SteelPoint]

I have a backlog of themes which I want to tackle for my own amusement but would appreciate some input or original ideas if anyone can supply them.

The first is for a story to be written probably in the first person and is what might be called the toughie to end all toughies.

Let us suppose: you have a hankering to bed someone who lives in your neighbourhood. Man/woman is irrelevant to me at the moment but what is to be taken into account are the following three important points:

1. He/she is a happily married adult, age not relevant.

2. You are at best on nodding terms with him/her, virtually a stranger - at no point would you ever have received any indication that there is any... 'possibility'.

3. This person has nothing special about himself/herself or his/her circumstances which can be used as an 'easy route' for the plot. No 'nymphomania', no immediate 'blackmail' route.

What (relatively) simple strategy can be suggested for getting this person, of their own free will (albeit maybe very reluctantly), into your bed? I am not looking for a long, byzantine process which could all fall to pieces if just one thing goes wrong.

My primary condition is that no use of physical violence, threatened physical violence or drugs is allowed. All other tactics are permitted.

Too tough..?

 

[Hypoxia]

The 'simple strategy' would be that of Douglas Fairbanks Jr, early Hollywood Lothario. His tactic: Approach his target and croon, "Hey baby, wanna fuck?" Maybe a bit of foreplay would help, too.

 

[SteelPoint]

Anyway, seriously..?

 

[BlueViolet80]

You could always start with a mutual interest...block party, BBQ, MOPS...and move on from there. Have a way to justify it and keep it covered up.

 

[SteelPoint]

You could always start with a mutual interest...block party, BBQ, MOPS...and move on from there. Have a way to justify it and keep it covered up.

If you like, I'm looking for a universal approach - one which could stand a chance of working whoever might be the target.

Are there any suggestions as to specific tactics? Looking for a touch of originality, if possible.

 

[Hypoxia]

2. You are at best on nodding terms with him/her, virtually a stranger - at no point would you ever have received any indication that there is any... 'possibility'.

Structurally. this is a vital point. How long will you (the character) and they (the target) stay relatively uninvolved? Is your goal met with the first seduction, so you don't bother to foster a continuing relationship? Is the conquest enough? That's why I suggested the Doug Fairbanks schtick, because it DOESN'T require emotional intimacy, just sex-for-sex's-sake. If a longer-term connection is the goal, then there's obviously more authorial work to be done.

My primary condition is that no use of physical violence, threatened physical violence or drugs is allowed. All other tactics are permitted.

Including nonviolent blackmail? This is a fairly common trope. You (the author) must decide if you prefer the sex to be reluctant or willing. Blackmail is pretty simple, thus fits your parameters. And it can provide more than a one-off fuck. A sub-trope: after being blackmailed into sex, the target comes to appreciate the fucking, and becomes a willing participant. Then, a twist: the target learns enough to blackmail the blackmailer. Tables are turned. Hilarity ensues.

You could always start with a mutual interest...block party, BBQ, MOPS...and move on from there. Have a way to justify it and keep it covered up.

That goes into building-a-relationship territory, which is non-simple. No, the simple non-violent authorial strategies are:

1) direct approach: Wanna fuck?
2) blackmail: Fuck me or be ruined.
3) fantasy: We touch, we spark, we fuck.

Once we get into Fantasyland, all bets are off. Mind control (including hypnosis), magic, invocation of demons, activation of alien implants -- any of those tricks could 'work' but are they cheats?

 

[SteelPoint]

'Structurally. this is a vital point. How long will you (the character) and they (the target) stay relatively uninvolved?

Including nonviolent blackmail?'

Just sex. I did not stipulate any 'duration' nor any emotional involvement. Blackmail fine.

The conditions are as stated and seem to me fairly clear. As said, I'm looking for a kind of 'one-size-fits-all' approach. Just assume they are a random person in your neighbourhood whom you want to bed but who has given you no indication that your 'interest' is reciprocated...

... and you cannot invent any special circumstances which will enhance your prospects!

 

[Sean Renaud]

But you did stipulate that there are no "easy" routes and that's the problem. Only easy routes work in this scenario. Unless you want a long drawn out story about a ruined marriage because the wo/man was unhappy in their relationship or the new person just mad things impossible to ignore.

You basically asked for a super hero story where they can't have dead parents, powers gained by mistake or birth. It's REALLY a tall mountain to climb.

 

[SteelPoint]

But you did stipulate that there are no "easy" routes and that's the problem. Only easy routes work in this scenario. Unless you want a long drawn out story about a ruined marriage because the wo/man was unhappy in their relationship or the new person just mad things impossible to ignore.

You basically asked for a super hero story where they can't have dead parents, powers gained by mistake or birth. It's REALLY a tall mountain to climb.

I'm not asking for a 'story'. I'm asking for ideas whereby you can target a random person for sex, put at its simplest.

By no 'easy routes' I mean simply that you shouldn't 'invent' your way around problems. For example, idea #1: 'the target person just happens to love men/women with my kind of looks'... not allowed.

Idea #2: 'I find out what kind of looks the person likes and adapt my appearance to suit'... allowed.

 

[FantasyXY]

How about something like this... I'm going to go ahead and assign genders in the example, just to make it easier to write.

The man - Is very handsome and in great shape, but he is a bit shy around women. all of the women in the neighborhood talk about him behind his back, but it is all only talk as they are all happily married.

The woman - She is not a beauty in the classic sense. In fact she is kind of plain. However, there is something very very sexy about the way she carries herself. She doesn't act slutty or overtly sexy, she just IS sexy. She is the one women in the neighborhood that keeps her thoughts about other men to herself (adds some mystery). She is also happily married.

Use what ever plausible ruse you can think of to get them alone together, probably at his house. What ever this ruse is requires some conversation; possibly returning a lost dog or something like that. Might be best if she is somehow helping him (e.g. it was his dog)

As the conversation trails to its natural end the man, who has always wanted her, takes a huge chance and kisses her. To the man's amazement, she kisses back and it goes on from there.

I know this could work with the genders reversed. I know for a fact that a woman just walking up and kissing a man is an effective opening move as when I was younger (in my 20s) that happen to me eight times. Two of those times I ended up in a relationship with the woman, two other times we ended up just fucking (one of those was married), and the other four women I just wasn't interested in. So I know the just kiss her/him tactic is real, and can work. It just isn't fool proof like the blackmail thing seems to be. Of course I've never been blackmailed or had the goods on anyone to blackmail, so which method is really more plausible?

 

[SteelPoint]

I quite like the 'just kiss him/her' tactic ... it has simplicity going for it and the inherent possibility of leading to greater things.

Unfortunately it also has the possibility of rejection and, more alarmingly, disclosure to spouse/friends/neighbours.

Any way of getting around the problem..?

 

[FantasyXY]

Again I'll assign genders...

Him just kissing her is a huge risk. He could be rejected, slapped ridiculed, attacked by an angry spouse etc. The buildup in the story is how he wants her so badly he will take this risk.

Her just reacting and kissing him back mitigates his risks but sets up many after the fact risks for her including guilt, an angry spouse, rejection by the man if she doesn't measure up to his expectations etc.

In every good story there has to be some antagonism in the plot. The pining for the woman and fear of rejection is the man's, and the ultimate guilt for reacting and giving in to the situation is the woman's.

I'd say in this story the man sees the woman as the girl of his dreams and he secretly lusts after her, but never shows it.

The woman doesn't see herself and pretty or desirable. She doesn't see how sexy she really is. When the man kisses her she instantly gets caught up in the feeling of being wanted and desired and then things just get out of hand because she likes the feeling.

Of course if you are looking for something that works with a high level of reliability in real life, stop looking. There is no such thing, even if you are incredibly pretty or handsome.

 

[FantasyXY]

I just remembered this and it's one more example of the just kiss her/him working in real life.

Just a couple of years ago my wife and I were out having drinks with some nurses she met at a conference. It got a little late and there were just my wife and I, plus one other nurse left at the bar. I was the designated driver.

The one nurse left was a pot smoker (we live in Colorado!!) and she lit up outside the bar. She was too drunk and stoned to drive, so I drove her home in her car and my wife followed in our car. When we pulled up in front of her house she kissed me... passionately.

My wife didn't see what had happened as she was still pulling up behind us (she held back because the woman lived on dirt road in horse country and there was a lot of dust). After the nurse went into her house I told my wife all about the kiss. My wife pretty much laughed it off and blamed it on the pot. I remember my wife saying, "hey it was just a kiss".

The woman and my wife are still friends.

I suspect that in most cases an unwanted kiss might not even get reported to a spouse or neighbors... Just a guess.

 

[Hypoxia]

It still seems to me that the most likely 'simple' strategies are 1) asking or 2) blackmail. Everything else is elaboration, non-simple.

I see the just-kiss-them approach as being a variant of (1) asking. Another 'asking' variant would be to offer money. All these strategic approaches run a risk of rejection, and thus are dramatic fodder of an author.

 

[SteelPoint]

It still seems to me that the most likely 'simple' strategies are 1) asking or 2) blackmail. Everything else is elaboration, non-simple.

I see the just-kiss-them approach as being a variant of (1) asking. Another 'asking' variant would be to offer money. All these strategic approaches run a risk of rejection, and thus are dramatic fodder of an author.

Tend to agree about your 1 and 2, sadly. I had been hoping for something new and original but, having considered the matter myself for, literally, weeks, am not surprised there is a dearth of 'invention'.

It is, as mentioned, a tough one.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Tend to agree about your 1 and 2, sadly. I had been hoping for something new and original but, having considered the matter myself for, literally, weeks, am not surprised there is a dearth of 'invention'.

It is, as mentioned, a tough one.

If there was a universal cheat code for getting people to sleep with you, somebody would be marketing it.

(Actually, plenty of people are selling seduction tips - google "PUA" if you're curious and have a strong stomach for unscrupulous dudebros - but the techniques they plug aren't nearly as universal as they claim, and they all fall into the category of 'Horrible Person'.)

 

[SteelPoint]

If there was a universal cheat code for getting people to sleep with you, somebody would be marketing it.

(Actually, plenty of people are selling seduction tips - google "PUA" if you're curious and have a strong stomach for unscrupulous dudebros - but the techniques they plug aren't nearly as universal as they claim, and they all fall into the category of 'Horrible Person'.)

Oh, agreed. It would be interesting however to explore the construction of what you might call a broad framework which could be applied - and possibly tweaked to fit specific situations/individuals.

That was what I was proposing and it looks like it has people stumped, not greatly to my surprise.

 

[Hypoxia]

Oh, agreed. It would be interesting however to explore the construction of what you might call a broad framework which could be applied - and possibly tweaked to fit specific situations/individuals.

Let's look at it this way: The Seducer decides they want sex with the Target. The physical intimacy is a form of interpersonal transaction, which involves a quid pro quo. What can the Seducer offer (within the constraints of no drugs, no violence, no rape of the incapacitated) that will persuade the Target to bump bellies or whatever?

* Purely physical pleasure - (Hey baby, wanna fuck?)
* Emotional-spiritual involvement - (I'll love you truly!)
* Fascination - (Pique their curiosity, sensually.)
* Money - (You just need to negotiate the price.)
* Blackmail - (Fuck me and I won't destroy your life.)
* Hypnosis - (You are very sleepy. You will get naked.)

Some of those may involve deception -- what's offered may not be fully delivered. Love and fascination may require long-term plotting, not the "simple strategy" you're looking for.

But let's take another look at the constraints. (The 'you' here is the Seducer.) Okay, no violence, definitely. No administering drugs yourself. But suppose the Target is already drunk or stoned -- are they fair game? Or if they're too exhausted or ill to resist, or in a hypnotic state, or otherwise impaired. If you didn't incapacitate them yourself, are they fair game?

 

[tiny_tits]

Timing.
Right place at the right time.
Everyone has a vulnerable point, when they are feeling lonely, and companionship is needed.

 

[andrewChatz]

I agree

Timing.
Right place at the right time.
Everyone has a vulnerable point, when they are feeling lonely, and companionship is needed.

I agree Tiny - all about the right place and time

 

[Hypoxia]

I agree Tiny - all about the right place and time

A 'strategy' that depends on luck probably won't succeed. Also, one of the OP's preconditions is that the Seducer and Target have only a "nodding acquaintance". Finding and being at the place and time where the Target (whom the Seducer barely knows) is vulnerable could be rather difficult.

 

[tiny_tits]

A 'strategy' that depends on luck probably won't succeed. Also, one of the OP's preconditions is that the Seducer and Target have only a "nodding acquaintance". Finding and being at the place and time where the Target (whom the Seducer barely knows) is vulnerable could be rather difficult.

If you set up a scenario that exploited that vulnerability, then it would qualify.
No, it won't be easy, but nothing worth the prize ever is.

 

[SteelPoint]

Let's look at it this way: The Seducer decides they want sex with the Target. The physical intimacy is a form of interpersonal transaction, which involves a quid pro quo. What can the Seducer offer (within the constraints of no drugs, no violence, no rape of the incapacitated) that will persuade the Target to bump bellies or whatever?

* Purely physical pleasure - (Hey baby, wanna fuck?)
* Emotional-spiritual involvement - (I'll love you truly!)
* Fascination - (Pique their curiosity, sensually.)
* Money - (You just need to negotiate the price.)
* Blackmail - (Fuck me and I won't destroy your life.)
* Hypnosis - (You are very sleepy. You will get naked.)

Some of those may involve deception -- what's offered may not be fully delivered. Love and fascination may require long-term plotting, not the "simple strategy" you're looking for.
But let's take another look at the constraints. (The 'you' here is the Seducer.) Okay, no violence, definitely. No administering drugs yourself. But suppose the Target is already drunk or stoned -- are they fair game? Or if they're too exhausted or ill to resist, or in a hypnotic state, or otherwise impaired. If you didn't incapacitate them yourself, are they fair game?

Long term is ok and need not rule out simplicity. I did not say this had to be a quick fix.

I'm afraid happenstance such as the target 'already just happens to be drunk' comes into the category of easy invention.

No, what I'm looking for is a plan of action which at least begins to stack the odds in the planner's favour (and hopefully more) - and your 6 possibilities are a good starting point which may yield results either singly or possibly in some combination.

 

[BurningMonkey]

*sigh* Steelpoint, what you are asking for is the Universal Seduction Technique. The entire human population has been searching for that since the dawn of sex, and if the people on this forum are able to supply it, it will be one of the Signs of the Apocalypse.

It's akin to asking some physicists if they have a simple way to solve the Space/Time Continuum problem and create wormholes in the lab.

Every man and woman living or dead has encountered the scenario you posit, and there is no simple, straightforward, universally applicable technique or plan that will work every time.

If such a plan existed, we'd all be using it and fucking all the time instead of writing about it.

Give it up. You're trying to square the circle.

 

[SteelPoint]

*sigh* Steelpoint, what you are asking for is the Universal Seduction Technique. The entire human population has been searching for that since the dawn of sex, and if the people on this forum are able to supply it, it will be one of the Signs of the Apocalypse.

It's akin to asking some physicists if they have a simple way to solve the Space/Time Continuum problem and create wormholes in the lab.

Every man and woman living or dead has encountered the scenario you posit, and there is no simple, straightforward, universally applicable technique or plan that will work every time.

If such a plan existed, we'd all be using it and fucking all the time instead of writing about it.

Give it up. You're trying to square the circle.

Believe me, I don't use the word 'ultimate' without due regard!

I realise it's a big ask and that there's no foolproof solution. I just think it's fun as an intellectual exercise and, as mentioned, surely there are stratagems one can employ which will at least start loading the dice...