Missouri gun murders 'rose after law repeal'

[KingOrfeo]

From BBC:

17 February 2014 Last updated at 05:15 ET

Missouri gun murders 'rose after law repeal'

By Jonathan Amos

Science correspondent, BBC News, Chicago

Researchers claim a new study provides some of the most compelling evidence yet for tighter gun controls in the US.

The team followed the consequences of the State of Missouri repealing its permit-to-purchase handgun law in 2007.

The law had required purchasers to be vetted by the local sheriff and to receive a licence before buying a gun.

Reporting soon in the Journal of Urban Health, the researchers will say that the repeal resulted in an immediate spike in gun violence and murders.

The study links the abandonment of the background check to an additional 60 or so murders occurring per year in Missouri between 2008 and 2012.

"Coincident exactly with the policy change, there was an immediate upward trajectory to the homicide rates in Missouri," said Prof Daniel Webster, director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research.

"That upward trajectory did not happen with homicides that did not involve guns; it did not occur to any neighbouring state; the national trend was doing the opposite – it was trending downward; and it was not specific to one or two localities – it was, for the most part, state-wide," he told BBC News.

The team said it took account of changes that occurred in policing levels and incarceration rates, trends in burglaries, and statistically controlled for other possible confounding factors such as shifts in unemployment and poverty.

What was stark, added Prof Webster, was the rise in the number of handguns that subsequently found their way into the hands of criminals.

The team counted a doubling of handguns shortly after sale being recovered from scenes of crimes or from criminals.

"This study is compelling confirmation that weaknesses in firearm laws lead to deaths from gun violence," said Prof Webster.

The Johns Hopkins researcher was participating in a discussion here at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS).

The theme was "science-based strategies for reducing gun violence".

America currently has more than 300 million firearms in circulation. But the issue of gun control remains a hugely contentious one.

 

[StrangeLife]

America currently has more than 300 million firearms in circulation...

And only around 15,000 illegal gun-fatalities per year - an amazingly low number considering the concentration of guns. This is really a non-problem. The danger of getting shot to death for people who are not gang-bangers is so low it's hardly worth considering...

 

[KingOrfeo]

The danger of getting shot to death for people who are not gang-bangers . . .

What is your point? Their lives are worth no less than yours.

 

[koalabear]

Not surprising with the rise in gang related deaths.

 

[BotanyBoy]

What is your point?

It's a micro fuckin' scopic problem...and the only reason you and your ilk point and scream is because the DNC is working with the GOP to sell more guns for their real constituents....weapons manufacturers.

Their lives are worth no less than yours.

You're going to have a hard time arguing that some gang banger shooting kids in drive by's and slangin' rocks on the street corner is worth as much as an upstanding productive member of society who takes care of their shit, pays taxes, volunteers and attends PTA meetings regularly.

You can do that whole lefty "All lives are equally precious!!" routine and you can preach it to all the fucking retards who will buy that bullshit.....but we all know it's bullshit.

The drunken wife beating child molesters life isn't worth as much as sayyyy

THIS GUY!!!
http://ladygeekgirl.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/scientifically_literate_neil_degrasse_tyson_bullshit.jpg

The former being a bane and expense to society...offering a total negative effect upon themselves and those around them in pretty much every measurable way, so much so we put people like this either in prison to rot or down like the scum they are. The later being one of the more brilliant scientific minds of our time, improves and helps spread a better understanding of our place in the universe and the world we live in, does a lot of great things for inspiring young scientist....there is a quantifiable/demonstrable positive for EVERYONE because of N.D. Tyson and others like him.

"Gang bangers are a rich source of individuals that will chance society for the BETTER!!" said no assholes ever.....

Some peoples lives ARE worth more than others.

And that's the brutal mother fuckin' truth of the day straight calling foofy liberal bullshit out......

 

[StrangeLife]

What is your point? Their lives are worth no less than yours.

The point is, that we should be very careful what freedoms we take away from the people. Taking away the freedom to own guns for no reason would be against everything America stands for.


The gang-bangers have chosen to live a life of violence and settle disputes with firearms, and this is why many of them end up getting shot. It's not about the value of their life - it's about the freedom to choose your own lifestyle and own the consequences of your choice. It's no different than a smoker, who's likely to die from lung cancer.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The point is, that we should be very careful what freedoms we take away from the people. Taking away the freedom to own guns for no reason would be against everything America stands for.


The gang-bangers have chosen to live a life of violence and settle disputes with firearms, and this is why many of them end up getting shot. It's not about the value of their life - it's about the freedom to choose your own lifestyle and own the consequences of your choice. It's no different than a smoker, who's likely to die from lung cancer.

That make a lot less sense than "that whole lefty 'All lives are equally precious!!'"

 

[Sean Renaud]

The point is, that we should be very careful what freedoms we take away from the people. Taking away the freedom to own guns for no reason would be against everything America stands for.


The gang-bangers have chosen to live a life of violence and settle disputes with firearms, and this is why many of them end up getting shot. It's not about the value of their life - it's about the freedom to choose your own lifestyle and own the consequences of your choice. It's no different than a smoker, who's likely to die from lung cancer.

First there really is no "everything America stands for" that's stupid shit people say when they can't come up with an intelligent argument.

In this case I'm curious what was so hard to get about this permit. It wasn't a gun ban, it was a permit so was it super hard to get? Was it keeping the criminals we claim to want to keep guns away from from getting guns? (Not that people who think we might someday need to overthrow the government should be okay with taking guns from criminals. Do they really think the government is so incompetent that it wouldn't know who you were and find someway to fuck up some paperwork and get you a record if/when the time comes?)

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Let's do this: Since niggers do most of the felonious shooting let's ban nigger felons from possessing guns! Wait! We already do that!

 

[StrangeLife]

That make a lot less sense than "that whole lefty 'All lives are equally precious!!'"

All life is precious, but it's also "the owners" to do with as he/she/it wishes.

You have the right to risk your own life, if you so choose. Go paragliding in a storm, eat a big plate of high cholesterol grease-food, rawdog a prostitute... or join a gang. Living your life the way you want doesn't make it less precious. Quite the contrary.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I heard part of this story on NPR this evening. If I recall correctly, they said that similar violence had dropped in bordering states.


I guess that Missourians didn't have to go out of state to buy their handguns and then kill whomever - now, they can stay close to home.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The damned Kansans are always stirring up shit in Muhsurah.

 

[about_average]

The gang-bangers have chosen to live a life of violence and settle disputes with firearms, and this is why many of them end up getting shot.

You're, apparently, making the assumption that it was an additional 60 criminals who got killed.
I've looked around some and haven't found any information as to whether it was criminals or ordinary people, like store owners, who were killed. I don't think there's any way to really know.

However, the argument could be made that it was more law abiding people who were killed. That the people who'd be involved in something like a gang turf war would be more likely to already have a gun. Then you have your stickup types, those who might rob someone at knife point were now more easily able to acquire a gun and end up shooting and killing someone.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You're, apparently, making the assumption that it was an additional 60 criminals who got killed.
I've looked around some and haven't found any information as to whether it was criminals or ordinary people, like store owners, who were killed. I don't think there's any way to really know.

However, the argument could be made that it was more law abiding people who were killed. That the people who'd be involved in something like a gang turf war would be more likely to already have a gun. Then you have your stickup types, those who might rob someone at knife point were now more easily able to acquire a gun and end up shooting and killing someone.

The best way to know is collect a van fulla niggers, take them to the police station, lift them up by their ankles, shake hard, and see what falls outta their boxers.

 

[StrangeLife]

You're, apparently, making the assumption that it was an additional 60 criminals who got killed.
I've looked around some and haven't found any information as to whether it was criminals or ordinary people, like store owners, who were killed. I don't think there's any way to really know...

I was speaking in general terms.

The statistical likelihood of you getting shot increases dramatically if you're involved in gang activities or "hands-on crime." That's as factual as jogging in the middle of a freeway increases your likelihood of getting run over.

Oh sure - you may end up as a collateral victim in a gang-war regardless of what you do, but statistically that's still a very unlikely possibility if you live in a middle-class burb and make your living selling whole-sale dogfood.

 

[StrangeLife]

The best way to know is collect a van fulla niggers, take them to the police station, lift them up by their ankles, shake hard, and see what falls outta their boxers.

According to what I read here on Lit, you'd end up with a pile of 10" schlongs...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Post hoc ergo propter hoc


Just another analysis, one too often encountered in which a conclusion is pre-determined.

One could just as easily wonder if the rise in violence mirrored the economy's collapse.

Nor does it say where the murders went up, or what the rate was before, or what the percentage rise was so that we cannot determine if it was significant. How many handguns do they posit were introduced annually? 60? 600? 60,000?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Post hoc ergo propter hoc


Just another analysis, one too often encountered in which a conclusion is pre-determined.

One could just as easily wonder if the rise in violence mirrored the economy's collapse.

Nor does it say where the murders went up, or what the rate was before, or what the percentage rise was so that we cannot determine if it was significant. How many handguns do they posit were introduced annually? 60? 600? 60,000?

*points and laughs at the Chief*

Hits ya just a bit too close to home, doesn't it?

Right in your backyard, in fact!

You might want to invest in some Kevlar for little Soon Yi, "just to be safe".

#PewPewPew

 

[about_average]

I was speaking in general terms.

The statistical likelihood of you getting shot increases dramatically if you're involved in gang activities or "hands-on crime." That's as factual as jogging in the middle of a freeway increases your likelihood of getting run over.

Oh sure - you may end up as a collateral victim in a gang-war regardless of what you do, but statistically that's still a very unlikely possibility if you live in a middle-class burb and make your living selling whole-sale dogfood.

That really has nothing to do with my post.
I don't even know why you quoted me, since you didn't address anything I said, except maybe you were speaking generally by saying the deaths don't matter because they were all gang-bangers.
The overall likelihood of an innocent being killed vs a criminal has nothing to do with my post.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

According to what I read here on Lit, you'd end up with a pile of 10" schlongs...

You mean LIT 'GALZ.'

 

[about_average]

One could just as easily wonder if the rise in violence mirrored the economy's collapse.

The study addressed at least some of that.

Nor does it say where the murders went up, or what the rate was before, or what the percentage rise was so that we cannot determine if it was significant. How many handguns do they posit were introduced annually? 60? 600? 60,000?

True, and important facts in weighing the issue.
Though I'd still argue background checks are a good thing, provided the sheriffs weren't playing favorites. I've heard of areas of the country where they do/did.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Let's do this: Since niggers do most of the felonious shooting let's ban nigger felons from possessing guns! Wait! We already do that!

But apparently, in Missouri, it's easy to get around the ban.

 

[KingOrfeo]

All life is precious, but it's also "the owners" to do with as he/she/it wishes.

You have the right to risk your own life, if you so choose. Go paragliding in a storm, eat a big plate of high cholesterol grease-food, rawdog a prostitute... or join a gang. Living your life the way you want doesn't make it less precious. Quite the contrary.

But keeping a gun does not make your life more precious.

 

[sufisaint]

study funded by gun control money finds favorable statistical evidence...big surprise there.Statistics are nothing but opinions with manipulated numbers.

 

[dicknjane]

It must mean the National Instant Check System doesn't work for shit then.