Today approximately 6 million Americans got health insurance via the ACA

[cjh]

Ahhh, you are European. But that explains everything.

that we pay the most for less-than-the best health care?

that's what you shoot for?

 

[JohnnySavage]

precedes nixon.

it goes back to wage controls and WW II.

it's a fucked-up set of circumstance though, in an economy where people no longer remain with one employer for a career.

If we hadn't need to build ships to save England's ass from the Nazis, we'd not be in this situation!

 

[Sean]

Better then what...and half the price of what? And how would you know this?

I feel silly now, I am debating with someone who does not live here, thinks we should be more like him and live in his utopia while telling me I should go live somewhere else.

Every healthcare metric ever. There are figures that measure this stuff. The US pays more than double per capita for worse care than every other country in the civilised world. Google it.

 

[Setanta84]

Your healthcare is third world. Really. Any European that's ever lived in the US comes back with a contemptuous attitude to your health care system.

This. Totally this. We are, literally, the only country in the world with an advanced economy where people live in fear of the day they might require medical assistance. Why?

In the handful of other advanced countries that DON'T have a public, non-profit system, they actually regulate the private providers like any other business. (Even post-ACA, the private providers in our system are essentially exempt from most regulations we impose on for-profit ventures--this is why backdoor bailouts are designed into the bill, even the lobbyists know the status quo is unsustainable.)

Then, in the vast majority of other advanced nations, they actually do have a public, non-profit universal health care system (in moderate countries, this is single-payer, in more liberal countries, this is a national health service.) Which boasts much better health care outcome because good public health outcomes--not intensity of billable care--is what is rewarded in such a system. (Unfortunately, thanks largely to the OFA propaganda machine, there are O-bot cultists who attend the messaging of the White House exclusively and believe the ACA is a single-payer bill--largely because this is how the benefits of the bill are framed in the rhetoric even though the ACA does very little to change the structure of the current system beyond pumping cash into a doomed system via the mandate and backdoor bailouts and canceling rescission---the latter only really if certain conditions continue to be met.)

The more educated/not-as-blinded-by-Yellow-Dog-partisanship members of the "Left" in America understand the bill is shitty and the far right opposes the bill for the wrong reasons. Also, very few people overall have a good understanding of the law--including President Obama, if you believe the rationales he's offered for the horrible rollout--because of the needless complexity of the law, which is by design--if you're confused by something, you can't effectively oppose it. (See: Also Trans-Pacific Partnership "trade deal.)

The bottom line on the law is that--because it doesn't touch the anti-trust law exemptions of the industry, doesn't address the corrupting influence of incentives in the health care industry outside of that, is flawed in both design and execution, etc--it's going to have a very similar legacy to RomneyCare in MA, i.e. it's only going to really improve how the system performs for the provider side and the upper middle class, wealthy, and their kids on the consumer side and the rest of us are going to be stuck with a system that's largely unchanged--RomneyCare failed to rein in costs, reduce the rate of ER visits, or otherwise improve overall healthoutcomes. That is, except for the poor. The working poor will effectively see an increased tax burden and be in a program both parties--namely Obama and Paul Ryan--have been trying to destroy for five years: Medicare/Medicaid.

 

[Sean]

precedes nixon.

it goes back to wage controls and WW II.

it's a fucked-up set of circumstance though, in an economy where people no longer remain with one employer for a career.

Yeah, but our NHS came out of WW2. Your system is fucked. Really, for a first world nation, it's fucking bizarre.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Better then what...and half the price of what? And how would you know this?

I feel silly now, I am debating with someone who does not live here, thinks we should be more like him and live in his utopia while telling me I should go live somewhere else.

Please tell me you're joking.

 

[contrifan32]

Every healthcare metric ever. There are figures that measure this stuff. The US pays more than double per capita for worse care than every other country in the civilised world. Google it.

I doubt very much that the level of coverage you have is anywhere close to what I have that up until recently was paid for 100% by my employer. I live within an hour of some of the best know medical facilities in this country and arguably the world.

If my child, God forbid, was diagnosed with cancer or some other life threatening condition I would much prefer to live where I do with the health care system I have then your mediocre, good enough for the masses socialized medicine that you defend.

I chose to live here, I chose to take a job that didn't pay the salary I could get elsewhere because of the benefit of a comprehensive family health plan. That was my choice. Obamacare threatens what I have chosen for me and my family and millions of others like me.

 

[Liar]

I doubt very much that the level of coverage you have is anywhere close to what I have that up until recently was paid for 100% by my employer. I live within an hour of some of the best know medical facilities in this country and arguably the world.

If my child, God forbid, was diagnosed with cancer or some other life threatening condition I would much prefer to live where I do with the health care system I have then your mediocre, good enough for the masses socialized medicine that you defend.

I chose to live here, I chose to take a job that didn't pay the salary I could get elsewhere because of the benefit of a comprehensive family health plan. That was my choice. Obamacare threatens what I have chosen for me and my family and millions of others like me.

Does anyone else see the elephant?

 

[Busybody]

OLD AND TIRED: Death Panels are a paranoid fantasy of Sarah Palin’s.

New and hot: Death Panels are grrrreeeaaatttt! Ex-NY Times Editor Keller to Cancer Patient: ‘Going Gently’ Saves Money.

 

[Busybody]

Old And Busted: Sebelius Say No More Obamacare Delays – New And Hot: White House Delays Yet Another Obamacare Deadline…




The Imperial Presidency continues to rewrite laws as they see fit.

Via The Hill:


The Obama administration announced Tuesday that it was again extending the ObamaCare enrollment deadline for people with pre-existing conditions.

The administration said it will extend the Pre-Existing Conditions Insurance Plan (PCIP), slated to end January 31, until March 15.

“As part of our continuing effort to help smooth consumers’ transition into Marketplace coverage, we are allowing those covered by PCIP additional time to shop for new coverage while they receive the ongoing care and treatment they need,” Health and Human Services spokeswoman Joanne Peters said in a statement.

The deadline was originally at the end of December, but last month the administration pushed it back through January because of the problem-plagued HealthCare.gov website.

The new extension is just the latest in a string of unilateral delays the administration has implemented to buy time after the disastrous rollout of HealthCare.gov.

The Obama administration has so far delayed the premium payments deadline, delayed by one week the sign-up date for coverage beginning Jan. 1, pushed back by six weeks the sign-up date for those seeking coverage by April 1, and delayed the second-year enrollment period until after the 2014 elections.

Just two weeks ago Sebelius was telling us this wouldn’t happen.


(Fox News) — Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, on the eve of the ObamaCare launch, told Fox News she doesn’t anticipate any more delays for the health care law.

The secretary voiced confidence in the law as her department announced what it claimed was a “surge” in enrollment. The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services said Tuesday that more than 2.1 million people have enrolled through the federal- and state-run marketplaces.

“I’m thrilled that we’re going to have millions of people for the first time that have health security, and it should be a great New Year for lots of families across America,” Sebelius told Fox News in an exclusive interview, as she left a downtown D.C. restaurant Tuesday afternoon.

Sebelius acknowledged there could continue to be hiccups going into 2014. “There always are,” she said. “People change plans every year.”

 

[mercury14]

I doubt very much that the level of coverage you have is anywhere close to what I have that up until recently was paid for 100% by my employer. I live within an hour of some of the best know medical facilities in this country and arguably the world.

If my child, God forbid, was diagnosed with cancer or some other life threatening condition I would much prefer to live where I do with the health care system I have then your mediocre, good enough for the masses socialized medicine that you defend.

I chose to live here, I chose to take a job that didn't pay the salary I could get elsewhere because of the benefit of a comprehensive family health plan. That was my choice. Obamacare threatens what I have chosen for me and my family and millions of others like me.

Millions of others like you? Almost nobody has an insurance plan 100% paid for by their employer. I can't name a single employer that does that or close to it.

Are you incredibly sick?

 

[contrifan32]

Millions of others like you? Almost nobody has an insurance plan 100% paid for by their employer. I can't name a single employer that does that or close to it.

Are you incredibly sick?

How about the Federal Government and the insurance offered to Congress?

No, I am quite healthy.

 

[unregistered]

 

[Busybody]

Millions of others like you? Almost nobody has an insurance plan 100% paid for by their employer. I can't name a single employer that does that or close to it.

Are you incredibly sick?

what a typical KNEE GRRRR

always attack the person

DEGENERATE


btw, the 6 million # is a LIE, s I said

 

[Adre]

England may offer wider access to some healthcare for some people, but to argue that the care itself is superior is ridiculous. All you need to watch is where the Arab sheiks go to get fixed. It ain't old Blighty.

 

[contrifan32]

England may offer wider access to some healthcare for some people, but to argue that the care itself is superior is ridiculous. All you need to watch is where the Arab sheiks go to get fixed. It ain't old Blighty.

My point, better said.

 

[cjh]

England may offer wider access to some healthcare for some people, but to argue that the care itself is superior is ridiculous. All you need to watch is where the Arab sheiks go to get fixed. It ain't old Blighty.

If you fall seriously ill in the Middle East or Africa, your safest bet is probably to get medically evacuated to Europe. There, the standard-bearers at the top of the list, London, Paris and Zurich, are getting competition from quality private clinics in Austria. Among them are Privatklinik Döbling, Wiener Privatklinik, Goldenes Kreuz Privatklinik and the Rudolfinerhaus.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/11/medical-emergency-abroad-evacuation-personal-finance-hospitals.html

 

[Ishmael]

http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/11/medical-emergency-abroad-evacuation-personal-finance-hospitals.html

It's foolish to argue that there aren't some fine institutions in Europe, but the operative word(?) is 'privatclinik.'

Extraordinarily high quality clinics are being set up in Costa Rica in anticipation of there being high quality, affordable, health care market for the America's. The target being upper middle class US and Canadian citizens.

Ishmael

 

[jeninflorida]

that we pay the most for less-than-the best health care?

that's what you shoot for?

This is what socialize healthcare care is....giving crappy product and service to people to support the lazy welfare (aka obama kind of peopls)

 

[jeninflorida]

My point, better said.

For the love of all things Derp....Andre said something intelligent!

Socialist healthcare is obana shit on bread...one can cut it in half but its still shit

 

[jeninflorida]

Who lives in fear? Wtf are you talking about?

Do you mean the obama welfare nation lives in fear? Simple solition....its called get a fucking job

This. Totally this. We are, literally, the only country in the world with an advanced economy where people live in fear of the day they might require medical assistance. Why?

In the handful of other advanced countries that DON'T have a public, non-profit system, they actually regulate the private providers like any other business. (Even post-ACA, the private providers in our system are essentially exempt from most regulations we impose on for-profit ventures--this is why backdoor bailouts are designed into the bill, even the lobbyists know the status quo is unsustainable.)

Then, in the vast majority of other advanced nations, they actually do have a public, non-profit universal health care system (in moderate countries, this is single-payer, in more liberal countries, this is a national health service.) Which boasts much better health care outcome because good public health outcomes--not intensity of billable care--is what is rewarded in such a system. (Unfortunately, thanks largely to the OFA propaganda machine, there are O-bot cultists who attend the messaging of the White House exclusively and believe the ACA is a single-payer bill--largely because this is how the benefits of the bill are framed in the rhetoric even though the ACA does very little to change the structure of the current system beyond pumping cash into a doomed system via the mandate and backdoor bailouts and canceling rescission---the latter only really if certain conditions continue to be met.)

The more educated/not-as-blinded-by-Yellow-Dog-partisanship members of the "Left" in America understand the bill is shitty and the far right opposes the bill for the wrong reasons. Also, very few people overall have a good understanding of the law--including President Obama, if you believe the rationales he's offered for the horrible rollout--because of the needless complexity of the law, which is by design--if you're confused by something, you can't effectively oppose it. (See: Also Trans-Pacific Partnership "trade deal.)

The bottom line on the law is that--because it doesn't touch the anti-trust law exemptions of the industry, doesn't address the corrupting influence of incentives in the health care industry outside of that, is flawed in both design and execution, etc--it's going to have a very similar legacy to RomneyCare in MA, i.e. it's only going to really improve how the system performs for the provider side and the upper middle class, wealthy, and their kids on the consumer side and the rest of us are going to be stuck with a system that's largely unchanged--RomneyCare failed to rein in costs, reduce the rate of ER visits, or otherwise improve overall healthoutcomes. That is, except for the poor. The working poor will effectively see an increased tax burden and be in a program both parties--namely Obama and Paul Ryan--have been trying to destroy for five years: Medicare/Medicaid.

 

[cjh]

It's foolish to argue that there aren't some fine institutions in Europe, but the operative word(?) is 'privatclinik.'

Extraordinarily high quality clinics are being set up in Costa Rica in anticipation of there being high quality, affordable, health care market for the America's. The target being upper middle class US and Canadian citizens.

Ishmael

There will always be John Hopkins and Mayo and M.D. Anderson.

I know this much, though, I sure as hell don't want to be treated at the county hospital next county over.

Medicine is being outsourced, like everything else. Comparable quality, lower cost of labor.

 

[Busybody]

There will always be John Hopkins and Mayo and M.D. Anderson.

I know this much, though, I sure as hell don't want to be treated at the county hospital next county over.

Medicine is being outsourced, like everything else. Comparable quality, lower cost of labor.

if you cant afford treatment there

Is NIGGACARE accepted there?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Shitstain squawk...

it's so delicious.

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19bpujmbar5ivgif/ku-medium.gif

 

[jeninflorida]

If you obama people, stopped wasting time dreaming about welfare and actually uses that time to focus on "work" you could improve your pathetic lives!

Who knows....maybe even get off welfare!