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Companies are always constrained by some sort of law and regulation. By that logic, there is never any market rate.
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Today approximately 6 million Americans got health insurance via the ACA
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Companies are always constrained by some sort of law and regulation. By that logic, there is never any market rate.
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you MADE that up
He means 97% of those who have signed up are the government handout group who never paid for their insurance to start with.
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He means 97% of those who have signed up are the government handout group who never paid for their insurance to start with.
and who will get gubmint HANDOUT to NOT pay
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TRAIN WRECK UPDATE: This Is What Government-Run Health Care Looks Like: 67% Don’t Trust Government with Health Care, Only 31% Have Trust. “This distrust has only gotten worse as the ObamaCare debacle unfolded, climbing 4 points in one month. Even Democrats — at 44%, up from 34% the month before — are increasingly skeptical.”
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The "brilliance" comes from people like you, who conveniently overlook the fact that health insurance costs skyrocketed over the past decade. The "free market" at its finest, under the failed old system. Now that Obamacare is the law of the land, you and your kind reflexively blame every single cost uptick on it. Sure, it's intellectually dishonest, but that never mattered much to TrueBelievers™ like you!
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This is crying out for a Power Point Presentation!
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Hey busybody, you never answered my question. How much has your own health insurance changed since Obamacare was implemented.
Your "roaring silence" leads me to believe it hasn't changed one G-d damned bit for you or your family, amiright?
Your "roaring silence" leads me to believe it hasn't changed one G-d damned bit for you or your family, amiright?
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The "brilliance" comes from people like you, who conveniently overlook the fact that health insurance costs skyrocketed over the past decade. The "free market" at its finest, under the failed old system. Now that Obamacare is the law of the land, you and your kind reflexively blame every single cost uptick on it. Sure, it's intellectually dishonest, but that never mattered much to TrueBelievers™ like you!
UHC is a gold mine for insurance companies Fatty. They can't lose, they get bailed out by taxpayers if they don't make money on the deal.
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UHC is a gold mine for insurance companies Fatty. They can't lose, they get bailed out by taxpayers if they don't make money on the deal.
Same question for you, bear...How much has your own health insurance changed since Obamacare was implemented?
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They LIED as if we didnt know
BUNNY RIGHT AGAIN!
The truth behind Obamacare 6 million figure
By Tami Luhby @Luhby January 13, 2014: 4:31 PM ET
NEW YORK (CNNMoney)
The Obama administration is trumpeting that 6 million people have health coverage thanks to Obamacare.
Health Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said in a blog post Monday that "More than 6 million Americans have now either signed up for a private health insurance plan through the Marketplace or for Medicaid coverage."
But the numbers are somewhat misleading. Here are the figures:
-- 2.1 million Americans signed up for private health insurance through the federal and state exchanges through the end of December.
-- 3.9 million people learned they're eligible for Medicaid or the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) in October and November.
The squishiness lies in the Medicaid number. The 3.9 million figure includes people who were already on Medicaid and are just renewing, as Marilyn Tavenner, the administrator for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services noted in a blog post late last month. So not all of these folks have coverage due to Obamacare.
Still, other administration officials have touted the 6 million enrollment number and have not mentioned that some of these people were already in Medicaid. When Gene Sperling, the director of the National Economic Council, went on "Meet the Press" recently, he simply cited the 6 million figure without further explanation.
It's unclear how many people are newly eligible under Obamacare's Medicaid expansion provision. Tim Jost, a health law professor at Washington and Lee University School of Law, thinks a good chunk of them were likely re-enrollments.
By using the 6 million figure, Jost believes the administration could give the wrong impression that these people were not covered before.
There's a lot of pressure on the White House to show that people are flocking to sign up for Obamacare. The problem is that state Medicaid systems are pretty clunky and it's hard to get reliable figures quickly, said Lisa Dubay, senior fellow at The Urban Institute's Health Policy Center.
"It's a mushy number," Dubay said. "Everyone's saying the numbers are not quite right. Nobody knows how not quite right they are." To top of page
BUNNY RIGHT AGAIN!
The truth behind Obamacare 6 million figure
By Tami Luhby @Luhby January 13, 2014: 4:31 PM ET
NEW YORK (CNNMoney)
The Obama administration is trumpeting that 6 million people have health coverage thanks to Obamacare.
Health Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said in a blog post Monday that "More than 6 million Americans have now either signed up for a private health insurance plan through the Marketplace or for Medicaid coverage."
But the numbers are somewhat misleading. Here are the figures:
-- 2.1 million Americans signed up for private health insurance through the federal and state exchanges through the end of December.
-- 3.9 million people learned they're eligible for Medicaid or the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) in October and November.
The squishiness lies in the Medicaid number. The 3.9 million figure includes people who were already on Medicaid and are just renewing, as Marilyn Tavenner, the administrator for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services noted in a blog post late last month. So not all of these folks have coverage due to Obamacare.
Still, other administration officials have touted the 6 million enrollment number and have not mentioned that some of these people were already in Medicaid. When Gene Sperling, the director of the National Economic Council, went on "Meet the Press" recently, he simply cited the 6 million figure without further explanation.
It's unclear how many people are newly eligible under Obamacare's Medicaid expansion provision. Tim Jost, a health law professor at Washington and Lee University School of Law, thinks a good chunk of them were likely re-enrollments.
By using the 6 million figure, Jost believes the administration could give the wrong impression that these people were not covered before.
There's a lot of pressure on the White House to show that people are flocking to sign up for Obamacare. The problem is that state Medicaid systems are pretty clunky and it's hard to get reliable figures quickly, said Lisa Dubay, senior fellow at The Urban Institute's Health Policy Center.
"It's a mushy number," Dubay said. "Everyone's saying the numbers are not quite right. Nobody knows how not quite right they are." To top of page
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Those are the only good parts of obanacare....did we really need to swap to a welfare program to tweak insurance regulations?
Granted 90% of the people posting in GB are flaming socialist
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Its all BS!
A Second Look at Medicaid Enrollment Numbers
Last week I examined the Obama administration’s claims that the Affordable Care Act was responsible for 4 million Medicaid enrollments in October and November. I concluded that these numbers were off, and badly so. At the same time, I made clear that my estimate of 200,000 actual new enrollees was just an estimate, and could be off by a substantial amount. I suggested, somewhat arbitrarily, doubling that number to 400,000 for what I thought would be a generous estimate of how many “newly eligibles” signed up for Medicaid due to Obamacare in October and November.
There were two major problems with the administration’s numbers. First, of the 4 million new enrollees, more than half of were in states that did not even undertake the Obamacare Medicaid expansion. So we can be pretty comfortable that the number of enrollees due to the ACA is no more than 1.9 million, using the data provided by the administration. (There are probably some previously eligible folk who decided to apply after hearing about the expansion, but their number is likely relatively small.)
The second issue is that of those 1.9 million, some would have enrolled (or re-enrolled) in the program under the pre-expansion rules. Every state had a Medicaid program in place prior to the expansion, although the eligibility level varied widely from state to state, and therefore would have signed up people in the program absent the new funding. Looking at the changes in the application rates between states that undertook the expansion and those that did not, I estimated that around 200,000 of those applicants were newly eligible under the Medicaid expansion.
Today I want to take a slightly different look at these data, focusing on the great state of Arkansas. Arkansas is interesting -- it agreed to the expansion, but rather than placing its newly eligible population on the traditional Medicaid program, it instead offered them private insurance. As part of the agreement with the federal government, it agreed to track how many of its applicants were, in fact, newly eligible under the expansion.
This gives us firmer data than we have for the states as a whole. It isn’t perfect, for reasons we’ll get into later; for now just trust me that it provides a sort of “best case” scenario for the expansion numbers. But it allows us to get at our estimates from a different angle.
According to my knowledgeable sources, just under 70,000 newly eligible people enrolled in Medicaid through the end of November in Arkansas. Again, we are pretty certain that all of these enrollees were not previously eligible for Medicaid, and are wholly attributable to the state’s expansion.
If we look at the overall enrollment numbers supplied by the state to CMS, 103,000 people were determined to be eligible for Medicaid in October, while another 37,000 were determined to be eligible in November. So we have 140,000 new enrollees overall. But we also know that the state numbers were just estimates -- the initial estimates for October grew by another 50 percent by the time the November numbers came out. But we’ll be very cautious here, and assume that another 20,000 were found eligible for Medicaid in Arkansas in October by the time the numbers were finalized.
This suggests that if there were 160,000 new enrollees in Medicaid in Arkansas in October and November of 2010, about 44 percent of them were eligible due to the expansion, while 56 percent were enrolling under the old rules.
Now remember, of the 4 million enrollees that the administration claimed were due to the Medicaid expansion, only 1.9 million were in states that expanded Medicaid in the first place. If we assume that 44 percent of these enrollees were eligible under the new rules, that gives us an estimate of 836,000. That’s a lot more than my initial estimate of 200,000, but it is still only 21 percent of the number indicated by the administration.
But Arkansas is something of the best-case scenario for the expansion. It’s highly unlikely that 44 percent of the Medicaid enrollees were due to the ACA expansion in any other state.
We have to understand two things about Arkansas. First, it undertook an aggressive outreach program, mailing everyone on SNAP (a.k.a. food stamps) to inform them about the new eligibility cutoff. So it would be more likely to attract newly eligible enrollees in the first place.
Second, and more importantly, Arkansas had one of the stingiest Medicaid plans in the country to begin with. Take a look at the following chart, which examines one category for Medicaid eligibility: adults (Medicaid also covers younger kids, pregnant women, and a few other categories). The chart lists the pre-expansion eligibility cutoff (as a percentage of the federal poverty level) for families and non-disabled adults in states that expanded Medicaid:
The median state that expanded Medicaid already covered eligibility up to 106 percent of the federal poverty level for families. Arkansas, by contrast, weighed in at 17 percent, although with respect to poor, non-disabled adults, it is at the median -- zero percent coverage. So when Arkansas expanded eligibility, it created a newly eligible category that covered working families earning between 16 percent and 138 percent of the federal poverty level. The only other states that came close to undertaking this sort of expansion were West Virginia and Oregon.
When California expanded eligibility, because its baseline was so high to begin with, it only did so for families making between 106 percent and 138 percent of the federal poverty level, although it let in a large number of non-disabled adults. Because of this, newly eligible people in California almost certainly make up a much, much smaller share of the October/November enrollment numbers than they do in Arkansas. Moreover, most of the really big states that expanded eligibility -- New York, Illinois, California, and Ohio -- already had relatively generous Medicaid programs to begin with. “Newly eligibles” simply aren’t going to be as big of a share there as they were in Arkansas.
To put this differently, there were an estimated 218,000 newly eligible folk to be enrolled in Medicaid in Arkansas -- people who made less than 138 percent of the poverty level. That’s 600 percent of the previously eligible 36,000 adults -- a massive expansion (although remember that adults are only a portion of the total people eligible for Medicaid). Therefore, we’d expect newly eligibles to be a large share of the October/November enrollment.
The state of New York, by contrast, has seven times the total population, but the expansion of Medicaid actually created fewer newly eligible adults: 170,000 newly eligible adults. Given that there were 641,000 previously eligible adults, we’d expect “newly eligibles” to be a relatively small portion of enrollment on October and November.
It’s very reasonable to assume that Arkansas’s “44 percent” is the upper boundary of the share of Medicaid enrollees in October/November that were newly eligible. How much lower is the rate for states that undertook the expansion? It’s tough to say, though again, given the base line in states like New York and California, it is almost certainly quite a bit lower. We doubled my initial estimate to get to 400,000, which I thought was being generous to the administration. Let’s say here that we halve our estimate. There’s actually something to be said for this approach. Among adults, new enrollees in Arkansas are eventually expected to make up 600 percent of the population, vis-à-vis previously eligible adults. But in the average state expanding Medicaid, weighted by population, new enrollees are eventually expected to make up a little more than half that share, about 350 percent of the population. So if newly eligible enrollees account for 44 percent of the October/November enrollees in Arkansas, 22 percent in the expansion states as a whole seems like a reasonable -- if imperfect -- estimate (especially after we account for Arkansas’ aggressive outreach).
So around 400,000 seems like a reasonable number to use here. This is still a significant expansion of coverage, and I suspect this number will grow considerably as the exchanges continue to improve and as we reach the deadline for the individual mandate. But it’s nevertheless well below the number the administration is suggesting.
A Second Look at Medicaid Enrollment Numbers
Last week I examined the Obama administration’s claims that the Affordable Care Act was responsible for 4 million Medicaid enrollments in October and November. I concluded that these numbers were off, and badly so. At the same time, I made clear that my estimate of 200,000 actual new enrollees was just an estimate, and could be off by a substantial amount. I suggested, somewhat arbitrarily, doubling that number to 400,000 for what I thought would be a generous estimate of how many “newly eligibles” signed up for Medicaid due to Obamacare in October and November.
There were two major problems with the administration’s numbers. First, of the 4 million new enrollees, more than half of were in states that did not even undertake the Obamacare Medicaid expansion. So we can be pretty comfortable that the number of enrollees due to the ACA is no more than 1.9 million, using the data provided by the administration. (There are probably some previously eligible folk who decided to apply after hearing about the expansion, but their number is likely relatively small.)
The second issue is that of those 1.9 million, some would have enrolled (or re-enrolled) in the program under the pre-expansion rules. Every state had a Medicaid program in place prior to the expansion, although the eligibility level varied widely from state to state, and therefore would have signed up people in the program absent the new funding. Looking at the changes in the application rates between states that undertook the expansion and those that did not, I estimated that around 200,000 of those applicants were newly eligible under the Medicaid expansion.
Today I want to take a slightly different look at these data, focusing on the great state of Arkansas. Arkansas is interesting -- it agreed to the expansion, but rather than placing its newly eligible population on the traditional Medicaid program, it instead offered them private insurance. As part of the agreement with the federal government, it agreed to track how many of its applicants were, in fact, newly eligible under the expansion.
This gives us firmer data than we have for the states as a whole. It isn’t perfect, for reasons we’ll get into later; for now just trust me that it provides a sort of “best case” scenario for the expansion numbers. But it allows us to get at our estimates from a different angle.
According to my knowledgeable sources, just under 70,000 newly eligible people enrolled in Medicaid through the end of November in Arkansas. Again, we are pretty certain that all of these enrollees were not previously eligible for Medicaid, and are wholly attributable to the state’s expansion.
If we look at the overall enrollment numbers supplied by the state to CMS, 103,000 people were determined to be eligible for Medicaid in October, while another 37,000 were determined to be eligible in November. So we have 140,000 new enrollees overall. But we also know that the state numbers were just estimates -- the initial estimates for October grew by another 50 percent by the time the November numbers came out. But we’ll be very cautious here, and assume that another 20,000 were found eligible for Medicaid in Arkansas in October by the time the numbers were finalized.
This suggests that if there were 160,000 new enrollees in Medicaid in Arkansas in October and November of 2010, about 44 percent of them were eligible due to the expansion, while 56 percent were enrolling under the old rules.
Now remember, of the 4 million enrollees that the administration claimed were due to the Medicaid expansion, only 1.9 million were in states that expanded Medicaid in the first place. If we assume that 44 percent of these enrollees were eligible under the new rules, that gives us an estimate of 836,000. That’s a lot more than my initial estimate of 200,000, but it is still only 21 percent of the number indicated by the administration.
But Arkansas is something of the best-case scenario for the expansion. It’s highly unlikely that 44 percent of the Medicaid enrollees were due to the ACA expansion in any other state.
We have to understand two things about Arkansas. First, it undertook an aggressive outreach program, mailing everyone on SNAP (a.k.a. food stamps) to inform them about the new eligibility cutoff. So it would be more likely to attract newly eligible enrollees in the first place.
Second, and more importantly, Arkansas had one of the stingiest Medicaid plans in the country to begin with. Take a look at the following chart, which examines one category for Medicaid eligibility: adults (Medicaid also covers younger kids, pregnant women, and a few other categories). The chart lists the pre-expansion eligibility cutoff (as a percentage of the federal poverty level) for families and non-disabled adults in states that expanded Medicaid:
The median state that expanded Medicaid already covered eligibility up to 106 percent of the federal poverty level for families. Arkansas, by contrast, weighed in at 17 percent, although with respect to poor, non-disabled adults, it is at the median -- zero percent coverage. So when Arkansas expanded eligibility, it created a newly eligible category that covered working families earning between 16 percent and 138 percent of the federal poverty level. The only other states that came close to undertaking this sort of expansion were West Virginia and Oregon.
When California expanded eligibility, because its baseline was so high to begin with, it only did so for families making between 106 percent and 138 percent of the federal poverty level, although it let in a large number of non-disabled adults. Because of this, newly eligible people in California almost certainly make up a much, much smaller share of the October/November enrollment numbers than they do in Arkansas. Moreover, most of the really big states that expanded eligibility -- New York, Illinois, California, and Ohio -- already had relatively generous Medicaid programs to begin with. “Newly eligibles” simply aren’t going to be as big of a share there as they were in Arkansas.
To put this differently, there were an estimated 218,000 newly eligible folk to be enrolled in Medicaid in Arkansas -- people who made less than 138 percent of the poverty level. That’s 600 percent of the previously eligible 36,000 adults -- a massive expansion (although remember that adults are only a portion of the total people eligible for Medicaid). Therefore, we’d expect newly eligibles to be a large share of the October/November enrollment.
The state of New York, by contrast, has seven times the total population, but the expansion of Medicaid actually created fewer newly eligible adults: 170,000 newly eligible adults. Given that there were 641,000 previously eligible adults, we’d expect “newly eligibles” to be a relatively small portion of enrollment on October and November.
It’s very reasonable to assume that Arkansas’s “44 percent” is the upper boundary of the share of Medicaid enrollees in October/November that were newly eligible. How much lower is the rate for states that undertook the expansion? It’s tough to say, though again, given the base line in states like New York and California, it is almost certainly quite a bit lower. We doubled my initial estimate to get to 400,000, which I thought was being generous to the administration. Let’s say here that we halve our estimate. There’s actually something to be said for this approach. Among adults, new enrollees in Arkansas are eventually expected to make up 600 percent of the population, vis-à-vis previously eligible adults. But in the average state expanding Medicaid, weighted by population, new enrollees are eventually expected to make up a little more than half that share, about 350 percent of the population. So if newly eligible enrollees account for 44 percent of the October/November enrollees in Arkansas, 22 percent in the expansion states as a whole seems like a reasonable -- if imperfect -- estimate (especially after we account for Arkansas’ aggressive outreach).
So around 400,000 seems like a reasonable number to use here. This is still a significant expansion of coverage, and I suspect this number will grow considerably as the exchanges continue to improve and as we reach the deadline for the individual mandate. But it’s nevertheless well below the number the administration is suggesting.
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Maybe pansy American UHC, if you ever achieve it.
Hardcore UHC doesn't have insurance companies.
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Hey YO, RoberTOE
time to YANK that "LINK"
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Not gonna happen!
The bottom line is that we still have at least 5 million people who now have the same access to health care that you do.
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Not gonna happen!
The bottom line is that we still have at least 5 million people who now have the same access to health care that you do.
so from 6 million to 4.5 million
by next week, it will be 12 people
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Wow, your blissful stupidity is amazing but since u have zero real world experience and keep you head burried up your ass....
Insurance prices went up...
Just that simple asshat
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Dont you people have any hopes or dreams....or is more welfare it?
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White House Hosting Conference Call With The Lone Person They Could Find Who Signed Up For Obamacare And Won’t Complain…
Odds the person they found is a deranged Obamabot hovering around 99.99%.
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White House Hosting Conference Call With The Lone Person They Could Find Who Signed Up For Obamacare And Won’t Complain…
Odds the person they found is a deranged Obamabot hovering around 99.99%.
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