Random Thoughts about Thievery

[BuckyDuckman]

Any suggestions for how the site could reduce story thievery by other sites?

I took down quite a few of my stories for a variety of reasons - one of those reasons? Thievery by other sites. Since then I've not posted for a wide variety of reasons, thievery by other sites being one of them. When I first started posting here, I assumed my little stories would fly under the radar, appreciated by a select few and little more. Finding my stories ripped from this site and posted elsewhere, frankly, it pisses me off.

Since I'm a pro-active sort of person, I've been trying to think of suggestions we could make to the site managers for ways to combat thievery without much hassle. I don't have a good answer, but I'm going to make a single suggestion and wonder if anyone else would like to make a suggestion of their own. Maybe it can't be stopped, but maybe it can be hindered? Fuck, I don't know.

Here's my idea: Since it appears most stolen stories are "cut and paste" jobs, include words somewhere in the middle of the story that attribute the story to the site. (Story originally posted by BuckyDuckman at www.literotica.com) That wouldn't stop thievery, but at least the cut and paste thief would be advertising the site.

That's my idea. What's yours?

 

[PayDay]

Well, No1 can stop ferrets, therefore the others are lame.

Game over. You could ask Laurel to help you prosecute.

Someone should, since it would redefine the use of 'Limited Times' within the Constitution.

That would be some shit for the moment + They would have to leave the Internet alone.

 

[horrorotica]

I don't mind actually as long as they say it's written by me, and in a perfect world link back to my lit page or my own website.

I'm not getting paid anyway for these stories so I don't mind the added exposure.

What I do object to is pay sites using my content in a member area without paying me, and people ripping off my story and claiming they wrote it (aka plagiarism). These types of situations usually get stern emails and threats of legal action.

 

[PayDay]

Well, No1 can stop ferrets, therefore the others are lame.

Game over. You could ask Laurel to help you prosecute.

Someone should, since it would redefine the use of 'Limited Times' within the Constitution.

That would be some shit for the moment + They would have to leave the Internet alone.

Nobody Listens to me.

 

[sr71plt]

Nobody Listens to me.

Oh? How do we turn on the audio portion of your posts?

 

[PayDay]

Oh? How do we turn on the audio portion of your posts?

I will not read my own posts aloud.

But I can.

 

[sr71plt]

I will not read my own posts aloud.

But I can.

But can you while you're standing on your head and rubbing your belly?

 

[PayDay]

But can you while you're standing on your head and rubbing your belly?

Don't make me not shut the TVs off again.

 

[StrangeLife]

Here's my idea: Since it appears most stolen stories are "cut and paste" jobs, include words somewhere in the middle of the story that attribute the story to the site. (Story originally posted by BuckyDuckman at www.literotica.com) That wouldn't stop thievery, but at least the cut and paste thief would be advertising the site.

That's my idea. What's yours?

You can do that yourself. Laurel doesn't edit the text when reviewing - she just checks for adherence to her guidelines for posting.

Or you could even weave it into the actual text like...

-----------------------
As soon as he plunged his mighty member inside her sizzling hot wetness she started cumming like a freight train.
She screamed out her climax: "OH MY GOD! I CANT BELIEVE THIS AMAZING ORGASM WAS WRITTEN BY BUCKYDUCKMAN (c) 2013 AHHHHHHH!"
-----------------------

Easy peasy...

 

[4glory6]

It does seem that you can insert this in your stories yourself and don't need the website to do it for you. You're giving it away for free, but if it gives you some false sense of protection, you can do that. I don't have any suggestions myself because, well, the stories are being given away for free to begin with. There really isn't anything to protect.

 

[Handley_Page]

You can do that yourself. Laurel doesn't edit the text when reviewing - she just checks for adherence to her guidelines for posting.

Or you could even weave it into the actual text like...

-----------------------
As soon as he plunged his mighty member inside her sizzling hot wetness she started cumming like a freight train.
She screamed out her climax: "OH MY GOD! I CANT BELIEVE THIS AMAZING ORGASM WAS WRITTEN BY BUCKYDUCKMAN (c) 2013 AHHHHHHH!"
-----------------------

Easy peasy...

What a beaut!

 

[Setanta84]

You can do that yourself. Laurel doesn't edit the text when reviewing - she just checks for adherence to her guidelines for posting.

Or you could even weave it into the actual text like...

-----------------------
As soon as he plunged his mighty member inside her sizzling hot wetness she started cumming like a freight train.
She screamed out her climax: "OH MY GOD! I CANT BELIEVE THIS AMAZING ORGASM WAS WRITTEN BY BUCKYDUCKMAN (c) 2013 AHHHHHHH!"
-----------------------

Easy peasy...

Not to make light of the OP's concerns, but that would make for a really nice jumping off point for a story that satirizes the kind of insanely detailed--and often pointless--things amatuer authors do to protect their stories. You could have a copyright notice posted at the beginning and end of the piece, have the story begin with the main character reciting copyright law boilerplate, have some of those kinds of exclamations, have the story unfold between the point when the main character mails himself/herself a copy of the work in question and the time he/she picks up the post, depict the villains of the story as annoying, attention-whoring voyeurs who act out the events they're watching and earn the obsessive ire of the central character, etc.

 

[lovecraft68]

I will not read my own posts aloud.

But I can.

They read them, but roll their eyes.

Aggressive action is not a staple of this forum.

But I doubt any type of legal action would work in this instance, or if it could it would ba at an outrageous cost.

Take the damn story if you want it that bad.

 

[Laurel]

(from this link, re: a story-thieving site)

I just posted in another thread, but then I saw this one, so I want to make sure that people following this thread see my reply as well.

I was commenting on Nookiestar specifically, but in general I want to agree with what BuckyDuckman said - Amazon.com ebooks are stolen and reposted at copyright theft sites all of the time. As are Hollywood movies, HBO TV shows, and mainstream video games. The only way to truly protect your work is to show it to no one.

We spend quite a bit of time every month going after sites that steal stories from Literotica. We also do our best to help authors who want to file DMCA complaints (the most effective, but not 100% effective, way to get your work taken down if you do find it posted without your permission). However, the same thing that makes the internet great (freedom) also makes it difficult when someone wants to make trouble.

Here is the message I wrote about Nookiestar in the other thread:

This site is known to us and to every other story site on the web (probably up to and including Amazon).

We have attempted to talk to them and they appear to not care about copyright law at all. In fact, their partners appear to be sites who steal mainstream movies and/or TV shows. If you look here for example:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/iosecaddons/

You can see the alleged webmaster of Nookiestar's name "Sebastian Enger".

Some info on the webmaster here:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/storiesonline/lxNEsXJ-m3g

The sites listed on that page include:
http://www.moviestreamz.com/
http://www.kinodownloads.com/
http://www.cineloads.com/
http://www.nookiestar.com/

Those same sites are listed as sponsors on the Nookiestar website.

Look at Google and you can see that the other sites are also copyright violation sites.

The people involved in these sites don't care if you publish your work with Penguin and Random House or have an HBO TV show or a Hollywood movie. They will take anything they can find - online or offline - and copy it.

We will continue to work on ways to stop them from copying Lit authors, but in the end the MPAA or someone else may get to them first.

 

[PayDay]

They read them, but roll their eyes.

Aggressive action is not a staple of this forum.

But I doubt any type of legal action would work in this instance, or if it could it would ba at an outrageous cost.

Take the damn story if you want it that bad.

Assumption. Have you asked Laurel or Manu? I hear they're frisky.

 

[lovecraft68]

Assumption. Have you asked Laurel or Manu? I hear they're frisky.

They will file a Doma I believe its called and do what they can, but they are not going to hire lawyers and sue people.

In the past they have succeeded in getting sites shut down for thieving, but sites that pirate music, movies, stories and anything else are like the Hydra, slice off its head and three more come back

 

[lovecraft68]

Something the site could do, but doubt they will as it would be detrimental to getting people to post stories here- is put a disclaimer somewhere that by placing your story on a free site like this you are running the risk of it being stolen.

 

[PayDay]

Hmm:

ReExplaination::
Someone has to go sideways. Asin:: Gather the empirical data in a manner that cannot be invalidated.

Asin: Use a Smart Phone Smartly. The date on those things is locked, as is the time, and all of the recordings are dated. So record yourself writing and submitting the story, and record the approval day.

'Poor Man's Copyright'

I'm sure Laurel and Manu have clean servers, because my submitted stories are all the same.

The only piece possibly missing would be a Smart Phone Anti Virus program. I wonder why that hasn't been invented yet, in fact, it's almost like someone went out of their way to break it.

Thank jeebus for technology and the fact that the DOJ prosecuted pirating.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Any suggestions for how the site could reduce story thievery by other sites?

I took down quite a few of my stories for a variety of reasons - one of those reasons? Thievery by other sites. Since then I've not posted for a wide variety of reasons, thievery by other sites being one of them. When I first started posting here, I assumed my little stories would fly under the radar, appreciated by a select few and little more. Finding my stories ripped from this site and posted elsewhere, frankly, it pisses me off.

Since I'm a pro-active sort of person, I've been trying to think of suggestions we could make to the site managers for ways to combat thievery without much hassle. I don't have a good answer, but I'm going to make a single suggestion and wonder if anyone else would like to make a suggestion of their own. Maybe it can't be stopped, but maybe it can be hindered? Fuck, I don't know.

Here's my idea: Since it appears most stolen stories are "cut and paste" jobs, include words somewhere in the middle of the story that attribute the story to the site. (Story originally posted by BuckyDuckman at www.literotica.com) That wouldn't stop thievery, but at least the cut and paste thief would be advertising the site.

That's my idea. What's yours?

You do know that just because you took the stories down, doesn't mean they won't show up anywhere else.

Once it out there, it's out there.

There is no bringing it back, no stopping it from spreading out all over the web.

The minute you posted it...anywhere...you lost control of it.

So depriving yourself of the adulation's you may get from the reader here, is about the only thing you have accomplished.

 

[PayDay]

You do know that just because you took the stories down, doesn't mean they won't show up anywhere else.

Once it out there, it's out there.

There is no bringing it back, no stopping it from spreading out all over the web.

The minute you posted it...anywhere...you lost control of it.

Agreed. It may still be your intellectual property as per site rules.

So depriving yourself of the adulation's you may get from the reader here, is about the only thing you have accomplished.

My point exactly, thank you. It has to be a pre emptive strike.

 

[Bramblethorn]

They will file a Doma I believe its called and do what they can, but they are not going to hire lawyers and sue people.

DMCA takedown (Digital Millennium Copyright Act). DOMA is the one about non-recognition of same-sex marriage.

 

[BuckyDuckman]

You do know that just because you took the stories down, doesn't mean they won't show up anywhere else.

Once it out there, it's out there.

There is no bringing it back, no stopping it from spreading out all over the web.

The minute you posted it...anywhere...you lost control of it.

So depriving yourself of the adulation's you may get from the reader here, is about the only thing you have accomplished.

I agree, Zeb - once it's posted, it's out there and the only way to stop it from being stolen is by not posting - which is a choice I've made since 6/13 with my FAWC story.

My suggestion is uncomfortably close to StrangeLife's suggestion:

Or you could even weave it into the actual text like...

-----------------------
As soon as he plunged his mighty member inside her sizzling hot wetness she started cumming like a freight train.
She screamed out her climax: "OH MY GOD! I CANT BELIEVE THIS AMAZING ORGASM WAS WRITTEN BY BUCKYDUCKMAN (c) 2013 AHHHHHHH!"
-----------------------

I realize that was offered sarcastically, however, I did suggest something close to that.

For a moment, I'm going to ask people to do the improbable and suspend disbelief for these two statements:

• Perhaps enjoy participating on Literotica.com and
• Perhaps I'd like for Literotica.com to receive the attention the site deserves.

I'm sure there are more sophisticated ways to protect stories from "cut and paste" jobs. Not allowing right clicks as some pages do. Posting text as images instead of text. Some kind of watermarking added to the pages. Frankly, I don't really know, but with the best of intentions I thought it worthwhile to toss out the idea for suggestions.

I now return you to the boards standard practice of "mock the OP" - already in progress.

 

[lovecraft68]

DMCA takedown (Digital Millennium Copyright Act). DOMA is the one about non-recognition of same-sex marriage.

LOL! Teach me to post from my phone!

Man, that's a classic.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I agree, Zeb - once it's posted, it's out there and the only way to stop it from being stolen is by not posting - which is a choice I've made since 6/13 with my FAWC story.

My suggestion is uncomfortably close to StrangeLife's suggestion:



I realize that was offered sarcastically, however, I did suggest something close to that.

For a moment, I'm going to ask people to do the improbable and suspend disbelief for these two statements:

• Perhaps enjoy participating on Literotica.com and
• Perhaps I'd like for Literotica.com to receive the attention the site deserves.

I'm sure there are more sophisticated ways to protect stories from "cut and paste" jobs. Not allowing right clicks as some pages do. Posting text as images instead of text. Some kind of watermarking added to the pages. Frankly, I don't really know, but with the best of intentions I thought it worthwhile to toss out the idea for suggestions.

I now return you to the boards standard practice of "mock the OP" - already in progress.

The problem being with strange's solution, the thief doesn't care. I have had several stories...lifted from here...in each I began with a paragraph as to who wrote the story, where it was originally posted and that I held the copyright.

The thief lifted it all...because...they don't care.

 

[StrangeLife]

I realize that was offered sarcastically...

The word "sarcasm" has a derogative connotation to it, which I can assure you was not intended. I simply have a hard time resisting an opportunity to be a goof. I'm like that irl too.

And as you yourself said, I wasn't entirely off the mark...