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[RjThoughts]

How is that different from any liberal arts degree, Other than the fact that you disagree with their worldview and they disagree with yours. You're both simply taught in college To defend your quote worldview unquote.

As if one's world view has any objective Bearing on reality and facts as they exist. Not as you wish them to be. Take for example Keynesian economics completely disproven yet still taught as if its reasonable because it supports somebody's worldview.

Instead of having the opportunity to take another computer class, something that could be used in the real world of IT, or even take more math or science, they have the student take Bible courses! Manditory! It's akin to having mandatory cuisine courses at a mechanics school!!

Bible discussions have never come up at work when the output wanted after a subroutine or macro was created and added did not meet or match what was wanted. NEVER!

 

[Que]

Instead of having the opportunity to take another computer class, something that could be used in the real world of IT, or even take more math or science, they have the student take Bible courses! Manditory! It's akin to having mandatory cuisine courses at a mechanics school!!

Bible discussions have never come up at work when the output wanted after a subroutine or macro was created and added did not meet or match what was wanted. NEVER!

Math, science and computer classes are not encouraged in modern colleges because it tends to be hard on the wrong sort of people.. don't you know that's just the patriarchy keeping people of color and women down.

My point is if they're going to call you "educated for taking a bunch of fluff classes then why not it be religious fluff? one person's fluff is the same as anyone else is as far as I'm concerned.

I agree with you that STEM classes would be much more valuable... but that is not what is required these days to have what they term to be a well-rounded education meaning absence of anything that requires critical thought..

 

[RjThoughts]

And before some of the RWNJ's complain, I will not hold a BJU degree against someone. The person did attend - confirmed with a phone call. Tomorrow, the staff is calling former employment.

On the surface, the person has enough experience to be hired.

 

[Que]

And before some of the RWNJ's complain, I will not hold a BJU degree against someone. The person did attend - confirmed with a phone call. Tomorrow, the staff is calling former employment.

On the surface, the person has enough experience to be hired.

You may not actively discriminate against such a person whose belief system do it differs from yours, but you already said that you believe this person to be less educated than those who went to highly liberal crap schools.

You do realize that some of those arguably fanatical Bible types actually believe that they have received a higher more disciplined education than those of you that it ended fluffy liberal arts colleges.?

 

[RjThoughts]

Math, science and computer classes are not encouraged in modern colleges because it tends to be hard on the wrong sort of people.. don't you know that's just the patriarchy keeping people of color and women down.

My point is if they're going to call you "educated for taking a bunch of fluff classes then why not it be religious fluff? one person's fluff is the same as anyone else is as far as I'm concerned.

I agree with you that STEM classes would be much more valuable... but that is not what is required these days to have what they term to be a well-rounded education meaning absence of anything that requires critical thought..

My point is that the mandatory Biblical studies at the expense of choosing their own electives.

 

[RjThoughts]

You may not actively discriminate against such a person whose belief system do it differs from yours, but you already said that you believe this person to be less educated than those who went to highly liberal crap schools.

Um, why would a Liberal Arts college grad apply for a computer consultant job?

 

[Que]

Um, why would a Liberal Arts college grad apply for a computer consultant job?

I'm assuming Berkeley has a college of Engineering within the university... a woman could come from UCal Berkeley with a valid engineering degree having use all of her elective time on women's studies, she will of course have to complete all of the engineering course work as well but your point is that his electives somehow made him less valuable. Simply cuz he elected to go to a school where his elective was already chosen for him.

All of the highly respected schools that were once or still are part of the Jesuits system include religious instruction; does that make their graduates idiots?

If that school were to omit the mandatory Bible course and he or she substituted a course in human diversity whether it was mandatory or voluntary, he would still have the same credentials

My assumption initially about a liberal arts major was I thought I read BA as the degree. It doesn't particularly matter though. If its a BA or BS the slant of the university is going to be reflected in elective courses... universities that slant heavily one way or the other (nationwide far left is the norm) tend to work that kind of material into their core classes as well.

You want software engineers to solve a problem or sit around and decide to build consensus? How about when debugging if someone comes up with the idea that well everyones kind of right, this glitch might eventually serve for the greater good so lets leave it in.

Having a liberal or a fundamentalist beilief system doesn't particularly make any difference one way or another as far as one's capabilities in engineering fields, but I'd imagine many people would agree with your bias that somehow religious fundamentalists are obviously idiots.

My best friend's dad it was and still is in charge of one of the most respected physics department in the country. He belongs to a fundamentalist religion. Now I will concede that his keen scientific mind causes him to reject some of the fundamental of statements in his fundamentalist religion. He tends to be a thorn in the side in Sunday School of those who take things rather literally in the written word.

Richard Feynman (rightly) rejected calls that science must be moral in attempts to prove things that show that there is a higher power at cetera et cetera et cetera... but that didn't mean that he was not himself a man of faith in his way.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I stopped watching FOX 10 months ago. They aren't conservative, FOX is the GOP parent of a liberal snot who attends SNOOTY U in New England, and they want everyone to love their Gay child.

Plenty of so-called conservative web sites seem to have landed on the shitty end of the rainbow lately.

 

[RjThoughts]

I'm assuming Berkeley has a college of Engineering within the university... a woman could come from UCal Berkeley with a valid engineering degree having use all of her elective time on women's studies, she will of course have to root to all of the engineering course work as well but your point is that his electives somehow made him less valuable. Simply cuz he elected to go to a choice where his elective was already chosen for him.

If the person doesn't have a degree in the computer disciplines OR has over 10 years of experience( 5 if they have a Math or Engineering degree), my superiors will file the resume and not send it to me.

It would be a waste of time to have them come in for an interview when they're NOT qualified. I see over 100 resumes and applications a month, I'm not sure how many my cousin and her wife see!

I have degrees in Business and Computer Science. Would I be a perfect candidate for a chef's job at Le Cirque, because I was a stay-at-home dad for 13 years?

 

[Que]

If the person doesn't have a degree in the computer disciplines OR has over 10 years of experience( 5 if they have a Math or Engineering degree), my superiors will file the resume and not send it to me.

It would be a waste of time to have them come in for an interview when they're NOT qualified. I see over 100 resumes and applications a month, I'm not sure how many my cousin and her wife see!

I have degrees in Business and Computer Science. Would I be a perfect candidate for a chef's job at Le Cirque, because I was a stay-at-home dad for 13 years?

Thats not much of an analogy.

Try this one lets assume for the sake of discussion at MIT has a culinary arts program... Not something that they're known for but nevertheless It includes Classroom lab in on the job internship experience under working chefs.

It begs the question why did they not go to CIA or Le Cordan Bleu?

I'm interviewing applicants you find that their mom or dad was an MIT alum and they happen to live 6 blocks away.

I just think its funny that the fact that the guy has some sort of religious bent tweaks your radar. My guess if you pull the next 100 applicants they would probably be more people to believe in some sort of extraterrestrial life having visited the earth, then religious nutjobs. Not that religious nutjobs don't exist mind you

 

[RjThoughts]

Thats not much of an analogy.

Try this one lets assume for the sake of discussion at MIT has a culinary arts program... Not something that they're known for but nevertheless It includes Classroom lab in on the job internship experience under working chefs.

It begs the question why did they not go to CIA or Le Cordan Bleu?

I'm interviewing applicants you find that their mom or dad was an MIT alum and they happen to live 6 blocks away.

I just think its funny that the fact that the guy has some sort of religious bent tweaks your radar. My guess if you pull the next 100 applicants they would probably be more people to believe in some sort of extraterrestrial life having visited the earth, then religious nutjobs. Not that religious nutjobs don't exist mind you

1. I never said the sex of the applicant
2. I am rallying against the mandatory Biblical courses instead of making it optional
3. I would never know if an applicant's parent attended MIT or RPI or Cal Tech because it's none of my business and would never be brought up in an interview
4. I mentioned Bob Jones, because that's where the person graduated from
5. I find it odd that an anti-science, pro-science is a lie, college offers a PRO-technology major

 

[CandiCame]

I'm assuming Berkeley has a college of Engineering within the university... a woman could come from UCal Berkeley with a valid engineering degree having use all of her elective time on women's studies, she will of course have to complete all of the engineering course work as well but your point is that his electives somehow made him less valuable. Simply cuz he elected to go to a school where his elective was already chosen for him.

All of the highly respected schools that were once or still are part of the Jesuits system include religious instruction; does that make their graduates idiots?

If that school were to omit the mandatory Bible course and he or she substituted a course in human diversity whether it was mandatory or voluntary, he would still have the same credentials

My assumption initially about a liberal arts major was I thought I read BA as the degree. It doesn't particularly matter though. If its a BA or BS the slant of the university is going to be reflected in elective courses... universities that slant heavily one way or the other (nationwide far left is the norm) tend to work that kind of material into their core classes as well.

You want software engineers to solve a problem or sit around and decide to build consensus? How about when debugging if someone comes up with the idea that well everyones kind of right, this glitch might eventually serve for the greater good so lets leave it in.

Having a liberal or a fundamentalist beilief system doesn't particularly make any difference one way or another as far as one's capabilities in engineering fields, but I'd imagine many people would agree with your bias that somehow religious fundamentalists are obviously idiots.

My best friend's dad it was and still is in charge of one of the most respected physics department in the country. He belongs to a fundamentalist religion. Now I will concede that his keen scientific mind causes him to reject some of the fundamental of statements in his fundamentalist religion. He tends to be a thorn in the side in Sunday School of those who take things rather literally in the written word.

Richard Feynman (rightly) rejected calls that science must be moral in attempts to prove things that show that there is a higher power at cetera et cetera et cetera... but that didn't mean that he was not himself a man of faith in his way.

I read this and all I really absorbed is that you don't know how college works. There's a difference between a mandatory class and an elective. That's the main difference that you don't seem to be understanding.

And just... for your above example. Someone who had minor in women's studies, which is what you would have if you had the course load you're suggesting, because that is how college actually works, they're better equipped for a career in a STEM field like computer science as a woman, because STEM fields are notoriously underqualified in gender mainstreaming. They don't tend to have many female employees and thus need to fill slot for things sexual harassment training, as well as be better educated on the legal rights of their female employees (maternity leave, private nursing rooms, etc.).

Whereas if your minor is in theology; it won't help you as much on the actual field because you are legally not allowed to discriminate on an employee on the basis of religion. They can be a theological genius, but it isn't going to be relevant to their job. So it's not helpful because it doesn't have real world applications.

I may not have explained that very well- but you have to think about your future. I fucked up my college education, but I could go to a religious school right now, for free, and I don't because those graduates rarely get hired in their field for the very reasons that you've been previously discussing. And I live in the bible belt. It's just not a practical use of your time. I'm better off using it to build experience and save money for a real college to complete my degree.

 

[CandiCame]

This has gotten really long, but I feel the need to mention again that I was not talking against the talking point of the show, I was saying that I felt like I missed something and wanted a long-time viewer to explain it to me because I couldn't understand or hear anyone, not the hosts (I think the lady was also a host) nor the guests. There were brief periods of diction between long tirades of screaming and slurring together of words from three people because they were all trying to speak at Once. I'm not even sure it was a political show with a politcal bent. I believed at the time, and have not been corrected, that it was a talk show- not a news program. Not a political show. A show with a host who brings on a guest and talks about that guests career. So it's not a "I hate conservatives and am making fun of them". I genuinely could not understand them, and was hoping that there was some sort of listening trick, like there is in other shows (Home Movies comes to mind).

 

[RjThoughts]

This has gotten really long, but I feel the need to mention again that I was not talking against the talking point of the show, I was saying that I felt like I missed something and wanted a long-time viewer to explain it to me because I couldn't understand or hear anyone, not the hosts (I think the lady was also a host) nor the guests. There were brief periods of diction between long tirades of screaming and slurring together of words from three people because they were all trying to speak at Once. I'm not even sure it was a political show with a politcal bent. I believed at the time, and have not been corrected, that it was a talk show- not a news program. Not a political show. A show with a host who brings on a guest and talks about that guests career. So it's not a "I hate conservatives and am making fun of them". I genuinely could not understand them, and was hoping that there was some sort of listening trick, like there is in other shows (Home Movies comes to mind).

Hannity is akin to "Maury" when he has paternity tests. Too much yelling, a lot of bullshit, and not much accomplished, and not very well scripted.

 

[Que]

I read this and all I really absorbed is that you don't know how college works. There's a difference between a mandatory class and an elective. That's the main difference that you don't seem to be understanding.

And just... for your above example. Someone who had minor in women's studies, which is what you would have if you had the course load you're suggesting, because that is how college actually works, they're better equipped for a career in a STEM field like computer science as a woman, because STEM fields are notoriously underqualified in gender mainstreaming. They don't tend to have many female employees and thus need to fill slot for things sexual harassment training, as well as be better educated on the legal rights of their female employees (maternity leave, private nursing rooms, etc.).

Whereas if your minor is in theology; it won't help you as much on the actual field because you are legally not allowed to discriminate on an employee on the basis of religion. They can be a theological genius, but it isn't going to be relevant to their job. So it's not helpful because it doesn't have real world applications.

I may not have explained that very well- but you have to think about your future. I fucked up my college education, but I could go to a religious school right now, for free, and I don't because those graduates rarely get hired in their field for the very reasons that you've been previously discussing. And I live in the bible belt. It's just not a practical use of your time. I'm better off using it to build experience and save money for a real college to complete my degree.

Well I can see your point of view that perhaps religion is not bad but simply unnecessary or not helpful... but whether it's required or whether it's mandatory any class that doesn't directly relate to what it is you're doing may or may not help at all.

 

[CandiCame]

Well I can see your point of view that perhaps religion is not bad but simply unnecessary or not helpful... but whether it's required or whether it's mandatory any class that doesn't directly relate to what it is you're doing may or may not help at all.

You do get that that's exactly what the other guy said to. Why so mean to him?

 

[Sean]

LMAO @ VatAss the mathematical genius failing at basic stats.

 

[RobDownSouth]

LMAO @ VatAss the mathematical genius failing at basic stats.

Perhaps his major was in PatriotMath™...that would explain a lot.

It's interesting how the two people on this site who brag about their math backgrounds the most.....AJ and VatAss....seem to understand it the least.

 

[Cade Is Here]

Ok, so I came over to cook for my grandparents tonight, and my grandpa is watching some Fox News show called "Hannity" (I'm prob spelling that wrong). I'm genuinely confused about how people watch this. The entire show is he has guests on, talks over them and yells at them. Then some lady comes on and talks over them and yells at them. It's a bi-gender screaming fit. It's exactly like being in a room full of kindergarteners. Exactly. I keep waiting for an adult to come in and teach them how to speak.

I think I'm missing something because I don't watch it readily, and I know that there are fans of the program on here; so I'm basically using this thread to ask what it is that I'm missing. I genuinely didn't get anything out of it- there was no way to absorb any kind of information because they're literally just screaming and talking over each other. It's like a normal talk show with a two drink minimum.

Why did you miss your Al Sharpton and Jon Stewart show? ahhhh

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[phrodeau]

Nothing to see here, folks, move along.

Fox News... nothing to see. Get it?

 

[Boxlicker101]

There was no "flaw".

A poll with a random sample of 1,000 people has margin of sampling error of 3%. 1,000 people is the generally accepted norm for polling, your whining to the contrary notwithstanding

A 3% margin of error means that if the same procedure is used a large number of times, 95% of the time the true population average will be within the 95% confidence interval of the sample estimate plus or minus 3%.

Google "confidence interval" if you want to know more.

Let's see you try and refute any of the above.

Watch his response folks...watch how he'll load it up with non-sequiturs, ad hominem and red herrings.

I agree that 1,000 sample units is a good size, but how do you know what questions were asked? Did they ask questions something like "What is the name of the baby of Kanye West and Kim Kardashian?" That is a current event, but it does not reflect on a person who does not know or care.

Were the questions opinion or fact? If the questioner asked whether or not Sugar Ray Robinson was the best fighter, pound for pound, in history, and the responder did not know or believed he was not, would that be considered a wrong answer if the questioner believer Robinson was the best? This are not meant to be specific queries but are they examples of questions that might be asked?

 

[Que]

You do get that that's exactly what the other guy said to. Why so mean to him?

mean?


I thought I was barely average, and focused on the median and mode primarily.

 

[CandiCame]

Why did you miss your Al Sharpton and Jon Stewart show? ahhhh

I don't have TV- I'm not paying for shit I can watch on the internet. So I don't 'miss' things based on a programming schedule. I watch things when I want. Because technology exists now.

Also, isn't Al Sharpton like a preacher or something? I didn't know he had a show.

 

[Sean]

I agree that 1,000 sample units is a good size, but how do you know what questions were asked? Did they ask questions something like "What is the name of the baby of Kanye West and Kim Kardashian?" That is a current event, but it does not reflect on a person who does not know or care.

Were the questions opinion or fact? If the questioner asked whether or not Sugar Ray Robinson was the best fighter, pound for pound, in history, and the responder did not know or believed he was not, would that be considered a wrong answer if the questioner believer Robinson was the best? This are not meant to be specific queries but are they examples of questions that might be asked?

K1. To the best of your knowledge, have the opposition groups protesting in Egypt been successful in removing Hosni Mubarak?

K2. How about the opposition groups in Syria? Have they been successful in removing Bashar al-Assad?

K3. Some countries in Europe are deeply in debt, and have had to be bailed out by other countries. To the best of your knowledge, which country has had to spend the most money to bail out European countries?

K4. There have been increasing talks about economic sanctions against Iran. What are these sanctions supposed to do?

K5. Which party has the most seats in the House of Representatives right now?

K6A. In December, House Republicans agreed to a short-term extension of a payroll tax cut, but only if President Obama agreed to do what? (Open-Ended)

K6B. It took a long time to get the final results of the Iowa caucuses for Republican candidates. In the end, who was declared the winner? (Open-Ended)

K7. How about the New Hampshire Primary? Which Republican won that race? (Open-Ended)

K8. According to the figures, about what percentage of Americans are currently unemployed? (Open-Ended)

 

[RobDownSouth]

I agree that 1,000 sample units is a good size, but how do you know what questions were asked? D

Well, if you look at my original post, you'll see a line with certain words that are blue in color and have an underline character underneath them.

That's called a "Link". "Links" are an important part of the Internet. They can take you to OTHER places on the Internet! This "link", for example takes you to an article on another website! And guess what...there are "links" on that site too! One of them will even take you to a list of the questions asked.

Now I know that's probably too much to comprehend for you right now (it's like drinking from a firehose!), so if you look right above my post, you'll see that friendly Sean has listed the questions from that survey.

Tell us if you think any of those questions are "mean" or "unfair"!