Anyone know why?

[AlienLover]

I sent an email to Literotica but it was not answered. So, maybe someone here can answer.

I have no problem with their requirements, I was just curious why about one of them.

Why no teens are allowed? Is it a legal thing or a moral thing?

I know no videos are allowed. That of course is obvious.
But, for example: It is totally legal for 2 teenagers (say 15 years old) to have sex (or rather make love), so why can't we write about it?
if it is a legal issue - then that is interesting. Allowed to do it, but not allowed to write about it. hehe.
If it is a moral issue, then that is fine too. I have no problems with it.
I only wanted to know why.

I can understand not having stories about 40 years and 15 year olds. Because even that is not legal for sex (except in some countries)

So, just curious why. I wanted to write some teen fantasy stories but because of their rule I cannot.

Again, I am not complaining, I am just curious why.

Thanks!

 

[PennLady]

First off, the email addresses scattered through the site appear to be inactive. If you need to ask either Laurel or Manu (who run the site) a question, you should use the private message link in the upper right of this page.

Secondly, I believe their rule on no-underage sex is more of a legal protection than anything. Everyone is quite aware that kids under 18 have sex, but the site has decided that writing about that is against their policy.

Laurel has gone into this in more detail, but I'm afraid I don't have the text or link. Hopefully someone else can find it and post it.

And I don't know that it is "totally legal" for two 15yos to have sex, although that may vary from state to state or country to country.

 

[YDB95]

I'm guessing it probably runs afoul of child pr0n laws. I've been on other sites like this where the same rule held sway, so it's not unique to Lit.

 

[Recidiva]

Legal and moral. There are legal actions taken against sites that host child pornography.

If the site could theoretically be shut down by complaints from people who cannot separate fact from fiction, or in case someone actually does post a real story of a criminal event.

Best do without.

 

[AlienLover]

Ok thanks - quick question

Thank you for the prompt replies.

Can I start my story out with an underage kid but once he reaches 18 then the sex begins?

Is that ok?

Part of my fantasy is that he gets special abilities once he is an adult.

Is that ok, if the 17 year old is part of the story but he/she is not involved in any sex until he is 18?

Thanks!

Oh, and to reply to one of you, yes it is totally legal for 2 consenting kids (15 year olds) to have sex in EVERY state in America.

 

[Recidiva]

Thank you for the prompt replies.

Can I start my story out with an underage kid but once he reaches 18 then the sex begins?

Is that ok?

Part of my fantasy is that he gets special abilities once he is an adult.

Is that ok, if the 17 year old is part of the story but he/she is not involved in any sex until he is 18?

Thanks!

Oh, and to reply to one of you, yes it is totally legal for 2 consenting kids (15 year olds) to have sex in EVERY state in America.

Yes, regardless of the legality, the idea is that it's adults fantasizing about these two kids. They're not doing it alone. That sorta thing.

I don't know the answer to that. I would assume that if it was character setting up for someone as a child but no sexual content until they were adult, that would be fine, but there might be lots of nuances I don't grasp.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I don't know, is the simple answer, but my local sheriff provides a sobering answer: He solicits material from jurisdictions with liberal laws, then files charges against the distributors who send him material that's illegal here. And the courts extradite those folks from there to Florida, and in his jail they go.

I surmise that Laurel simply doesn't want the headaches and extra work of screening teen luv.

 

[sr71plt]

I don't know, is the simple answer, but my local sheriff provides a sobering answer: He solicits material from jurisdictions with liberal laws, then files charges against the distributors who send him material that's illegal here. And the courts extradite those folks from there to Florida, and in his jail they go.

I surmise that Laurel simply doesn't want the headaches and extra work of screening teen luv.

Bingo to paragraph one.

However, to paragraph two, I'll bet that a lot of Laurel's time is spent in the screening for underage anyway.

 

[Handley_Page]

I sent an email to Literotica but it was not answered. So, maybe someone here can answer.

I have no problem with their requirements, I was just curious why about one of them.

Why no teens are allowed? Is it a legal thing or a moral thing?

I know no videos are allowed. That of course is obvious.
But, for example: It is totally legal for 2 teenagers (say 15 years old) to have sex (or rather make love), so why can't we write about it?
if it is a legal issue - then that is interesting. Allowed to do it, but not allowed to write about it. hehe.
If it is a moral issue, then that is fine too. I have no problems with it.
I only wanted to know why.

I can understand not having stories about 40 years and 15 year olds. Because even that is not legal for sex (except in some countries)

So, just curious why. I wanted to write some teen fantasy stories but because of their rule I cannot.

Again, I am not complaining, I am just curious why.

Thanks!

A very short answer is "'Cos them's the Rules."

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Thank you for the prompt replies.

Can I start my story out with an underage kid but once he reaches 18 then the sex begins?

Is that ok?

Part of my fantasy is that he gets special abilities once he is an adult.

Is that ok, if the 17 year old is part of the story but he/she is not involved in any sex until he is 18?

Thanks!

Oh, and to reply to one of you, yes it is totally legal for 2 consenting kids (15 year olds) to have sex in EVERY state in America.

You can start a story with anyone being under the age of 18, but there better not be any kind of sex until they reach the age of 18. Read my God Mother story here at Lit, it's only the first chapter but you will see that no sex occurs until the protag is of age.


And while the law will most likely do nothing about two 15 year old's having sex, it is illegal for them to do so. And with the zero tolerance of some DA's in the country, it wouldn't surprise me if they were prosecuted and both became registered sex offenders, all without serving a day in jail.

 

[slyc_willie]

For myself and, I surmise -- based on various posts I've seen on Lit's forums -- for numerous other authors who contribute to this website, the fact that Lit does not allow graphic depictions of sex with minors is one of the reasons why Literotica is the foremost erotica website.

Other sites that allow stories featuring underaged characters invariably become inundated with them. If such stories were only honest, touching depictions of typical teen curiosity and exploration, that would be one thing. But too often, such stories feature almost (or not-so-almost) predatory pedophiles seducing children who are unrealistically eager for sex with older partners.

Lit's decision on the issue, I believe, is a combination legal/moral choice. There's a serious "squick" factor when it comes to certain kinds of sex stories (Lit also does not allow bestiality), which becomes amplified, I think, when the subject material involves minors. If Lit allowed stories featuring underaged characters having sex, quite a few readers and writers would leave.

Personally, I can only imagine how disgusting it would be to see a post in the Story Feedback forum from a writer asking, "looking for feedback on my story about Uncle Joe, his twelve-year-old niece, and all her friends."

Literotica has a pretty good set of standards, and I'm glad Laurel sticks to them.

 

[AlienLover]

You can start a story with anyone being under the age of 18, but there better not be any kind of sex until they reach the age of 18. Read my God Mother story here at Lit, it's only the first chapter but you will see that no sex occurs until the protag is of age.


And while the law will most likely do nothing about two 15 year old's having sex, it is illegal for them to do so. And with the zero tolerance of some DA's in the country, it wouldn't surprise me if they were prosecuted and both became registered sex offenders, all without serving a day in jail.

I am sorry, but you are wrong. It is NOT illegal for 2 15-years to have sex in ANY state. PLEASE show ME ANY law stating that. I have asked numerous police officers, they all said NO LAWS exist until age of 18.

Registered sex offenders, hahahahaha - what world do you live in? hahahahaha

 

[AlienLover]

For myself and, I surmise -- based on various posts I've seen on Lit's forums -- for numerous other authors who contribute to this website, the fact that Lit does not allow graphic depictions of sex with minors is one of the reasons why Literotica is the foremost erotica website.

Other sites that allow stories featuring underaged characters invariably become inundated with them. If such stories were only honest, touching depictions of typical teen curiosity and exploration, that would be one thing. But too often, such stories feature almost (or not-so-almost) predatory pedophiles seducing children who are unrealistically eager for sex with older partners.

Lit's decision on the issue, I believe, is a combination legal/moral choice. There's a serious "squick" factor when it comes to certain kinds of sex stories (Lit also does not allow bestiality), which becomes amplified, I think, when the subject material involves minors. If Lit allowed stories featuring underaged characters having sex, quite a few readers and writers would leave.

Personally, I can only imagine how disgusting it would be to see a post in the Story Feedback forum from a writer asking, "looking for feedback on my story about Uncle Joe, his twelve-year-old niece, and all her friends."

Literotica has a pretty good set of standards, and I'm glad Laurel sticks to them.

I totally agree - adults with minors is uncalled for. yuck.

Plus too young - bad too.

 

[desertslave]

Oh, and to reply to one of you, yes it is totally legal for 2 consenting kids (15 year olds) to have sex in EVERY state in America.

That's a very broad and erroneous generalization. The age of consent in the US varies between 16 and 18, but there are exceptions when pairs are close in age. However, there are definitely states where two 15-year-olds having sex would be considered statutory rape, at the very least. Sensibly, I must say, there are more and more "close in age" exceptions being written into law, but it's not a sweeping measure, yet.

Wiki has a very comprehensive discussion of the various state laws.

 

[PennLady]

I am sorry, but you are wrong. It is NOT illegal for 2 15-years to have sex in ANY state. PLEASE show ME ANY law stating that. I have asked numerous police officers, they all said NO LAWS exist until age of 18.

Registered sex offenders, hahahahaha - what world do you live in? hahahahaha

Well you could link to any laws or arguments supporting your statement.

I'm sure, or at least would not be surprised, that two 15yos having sex is not treated the same as someone over 18 having sex with someone under 18. Just because they're both under 18 doesn't suddenly make it legal, at least in some states. Here are some links, and some bear further investigation.

The first is an old question at Yahoo! Answers, asking if it is illegal for minors in California to have sex.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080605115305AApwuO9

One answer quotes the following caselaw (link in answer as well).

"261.5. (a) Unlawful sexual intercourse is an act of sexual intercourse accomplished with a person who is not the spouse of the perpetrator, if the person is a minor. For the purposes of this section, a "minor" is a person under the age of 18 years and an "adult" is a person who is at least 18 years of age.
(b) Any person who engages in an act of unlawful sexual
intercourse with a minor who is not more than three years older or three years younger than the perpetrator, is guilty of a misdemeanor."

Here's another, also specific to California: http://www.juvenilelawcenter.com/sex-between-minors/

This pertains to Pennsylvania: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100308094429AANcgLm

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

When I retired in 2006 child/child sex was treated as inadequate supervision. The cops took an information report they gave to both sets of parents or more. Non consent was still a felony sexual battery or felony lewd/lascivious for groping. Plenty of teens married their adult lovers to escape criminal charges. Its legal with parental consent.

 

[sr71plt]

I am sorry, but you are wrong. It is NOT illegal for 2 15-years to have sex in ANY state. PLEASE show ME ANY law stating that. I have asked numerous police officers, they all said NO LAWS exist until age of 18.

Registered sex offenders, hahahahaha - what world do you live in? hahahahaha

Look, just comply with the Web site rules or go away. This is a privately owned Web site. They can say they won't post any story for any reason they want. They've decided to not bring on the particular scrutiny that underage sex brings.

It's their Web site. Stop arguing with posters to the forum about it. There's no one on the forum who can do anything about it or for you. Directly PM Laurel, the editor, if you want to argue.

This is an old, tired topic here. Just live with it or go away.

 

[PennLady]

Look, just comply with the Web site rules or go away. This is a privately owned Web site. They can say they won't post any story for any reason they want. They've decided to not bring on the particular scrutiny that underage sex brings.

It's their Web site. Stop arguing with posters to the forum about it. There's no one on the forum who can do anything about it or for you. Directly PM Laurel, the editor, if you want to argue.

This is an old, tired topic here. Just live with it or go away.

Actually I don't think the poster is arguing about Lit's policy. I was the one who first wondered about the legality of two minors having sex, and a couple of others chimed in, and so this:

I am sorry, but you are wrong. It is NOT illegal for 2 15-years to have sex in ANY state. PLEASE show ME ANY law stating that. I have asked numerous police officers, they all said NO LAWS exist until age of 18.

Registered sex offenders, hahahahaha - what world do you live in? hahahahaha

was about our statements/responses on the question of minors having sex with other minors. The OP states he has no problem with the site's policy but was wondering about the reasons for it.

My googling on this subject indicates that many states have laws in which two minors having sex is illegal, but they qualify this with an age difference standard. I'm not sure about two minors of the same age having sex but as with everything else I'm sure it varies by state.

The subject is old, I grant you, but new people come to the site and so the question is new to them.

 

[sr71plt]

Of course the OP is challenging the Web site policy, no matter the wording of the message. The OP is trying to get to Laurel to argue the policy--and now trying to argue the case on the forum, having been unable thus far to get to Laurel.

It's the Web site policy and no one here is entitled to anything the Web site doesn't grant them--nor is free speech relevant here. This is a private business. Free speech doesn't apply.

For posting a story here, it doesn't matter one iota what the laws are anywhere. If the Web site doesn't want to post anything that mentions pink polka dots, that's the Web site's privilege.

 

[PennLady]

Of course the OP is challenging the Web site policy, no matter the wording of the message. The OP is trying to get to Laurel to argue the policy--and now trying to argue the case on the forum, having been unable thus far to get to Laurel.

It's the Web site policy and no one here is entitled to anything the Web site doesn't grant them--nor is free speech relevant here. This is a private business. Free speech doesn't apply.

For posting a story here, it doesn't matter one iota what the laws are anywhere. If the Web site doesn't want to post anything that mentions pink polka dots, that's the Web site's privilege.

I know. I agree(d) with you.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

Just like the laws on under-18s appearing in sex videos, Lit doesn't permit under-18s being involved sexually. Take it or leave it.

Romance, friendship all that stuff is perfectly acceptable and is part of some of the best 'first time' stories here but stay clear of under-18 sexual activity. Never mind laws, the site rules and you have to comply to be posted. Simple.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Why no teens are allowed? Is it a legal thing or a moral thing?

Teens are allowed. You can write about 18- and 19-year-olds.

But, for example: It is totally legal for 2 teenagers (say 15 years old) to have sex (or rather make love), so why can't we write about it?

The USA is not the only country in the world, and Lit's readership is worldwide. Laurel and Manu may have decided that they don't want to give other countries another reason to block their site, or that they don't want to get their non-US readers in hot water over this one. There's also precedent for countries claiming extraterritorial jurisdiction for child sex offences; I don't know if any of those laws apply to fiction yet, but who knows what the future holds?

Also, as far as I can tell from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#United_States and http://www.ageofconsent.com your statement isn't entirely true even for the USA. For instance, under California law, sex between two unmarried seventeen-year-olds would still be illegal; there are "close in age" provisions but they only reduce it to a misdemeanor, they don't legalise it. Florida's "close in age" provisions only go down to 16, not 15.

That said, "illegal to do" doesn't automatically mean "illegal to write about it", or we wouldn't have crime thrillers. AFAICT there's no US law that would ban writing about sex between minors. But laws can change if somebody whips up enough moral outrage. Banning under-age makes it harder to gain support for any future bans etc.

If I was running this site, I'd also be concerned that allowing under-age stories might encourage predators to hang out here, possibly using Lit as a place to make contact with one another. Even if the site has no legal culpability, even if you're willing to wash your hands of the moral aspects, that's still a great way to get into a "servers confiscated as evidence" scenario.

You can start a story with anyone being under the age of 18, but there better not be any kind of sex until they reach the age of 18.

Minor clarification: you can mention minors having sex, but you can't describe it in detail. I've posted a story that involves an adventurous young lady having a shotgun marriage at sixteen with a baby a couple of months later.

 

[3113]

Note: the 18 year old need not be a virgin

But, for example: It is totally legal for 2 teenagers (say 15 years old) to have sex (or rather make love), so why can't we write about it?

As others have pointed out, sex between 15 year olds is not legal in some states in the U.S. More important, however, is a mention on the internet about underage sex can get a site into legal hot water. It's common sense to make sure that doesn't happen. Even if the accusation was thrown out of court, it would still mean that Literotica was in a legal tangle for a long time. Why invite that sort of headache?

The 18 rule avoids that happening and keeps the site up and running.

The moral aspect has also been covered (i.e. stories and stories youngsters having sex usually with older men).

But I'd like to point out, this site does recognize that teens have sex. The policy is NOT that your 18 year old needs to be a virgin. It is simply that you can't show them having sex prior to that age. So you can have your twenty-something character say, "I had some hot romances in high school..." he/she just can't get into the graphic details of what was involved in those romances.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I am sorry, but you are wrong. It is NOT illegal for 2 15-years to have sex in ANY state. PLEASE show ME ANY law stating that. I have asked numerous police officers, they all said NO LAWS exist until age of 18.

Registered sex offenders, hahahahaha - what world do you live in? hahahahaha

Try talking to a lawyer next time or at least the barest minimum research online before you tell someone they are wrong.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Teens are allowed. You can write about 18- and 19-year-olds.

...

Minor clarification: you can mention minors having sex, but you can't describe it in detail. I've posted a story that involves an adventurous young lady having a shotgun marriage at sixteen with a baby a couple of months later.

You're right, you can mention it in passing. "Oh, I lost my virginity at 14, but really never did it again until I was in college after my eighteenth birthday."

I mention the age only to make it clear to Laurel. When I submitted God Mother, I did leave a note for her that the sex really didn't start until such and such a page and all participants were 18 by then.