Boss-Employee Gap Legislation

[CandiCame]

Clearly I like the uphill fight. It's good exercise.

YOU'RE NOT FIGHTING!

 

[trysail]

Sure we can. We've done stupid laws, there's no reason why we can't do an incredibly revealing, easy, elegant, smart one.

If it's too much to handle, may I suggest getting out of business in the same way that I would suggest that a soldier buck up at the prospect of all those gay guys now openly serving.

Actual business and actual war are much harder. This is just an attempt to turn back a tide long in arriving.

Dear god. You don't get it. You never did get it. You never will get it.

I'm guessing that's because you've never run a business or had any skin in the game.

Never attempt to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

-Robert A. Heinlein
The Notebooks Of Lazarus Long
Time Enough For Love​

 

[jeninflorida]

For once, you're right... CEOs should be paid less, and are leeches on society.

thanks for playing, welfare jenin!

Lame...but I now understand why you are a failure

 

[Recidiva]

Dear god. You don't get it. You never did get it. You never will get it.

I'm guessing that's because you've never run a business or had any skin in the game.

Actually, I did run a business and I was the one who figured out how to establish the business and legally get it started. I made a lot of money.

And if this were part of my business I would consider it so trivial that it wouldn't even be worth my spare time in arguing not to do it, because it's sooooooo easy.

If you need help with basic math, perhaps there is a night class you could take.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I just think that Rec should either actually boycott or shut the fuck up.

Pretty much...but I'm pretty sure she's just trolling.

 

[jeninflorida]

Dear god. You don't get it. You never did get it. You never will get it.

I'm guessing that's because you've never run a business or had any skin in the game.

She, and those like her have no skin in the game. They just want thinga handed too them

 

[Recidiva]

I went there I saw.....and I have never seen ANYTHING in the US even remotely close to the slums of China. To even try and compare the two is complete bull fuckin' shit and you know it.

Show me 3/4 of a billion over worked and starving Americans living in complete squallier stacked 16 to a room hot racking 8 beds. Then you might have an argument.

So tell me then, why would you be opposed to having it reported that an American company employed these people and paid them a ridiculous fraction of a dollar to make hula hoops? Where is that outrage.

Hula hoops all day for $0.10 is somehow more moral than reporting it?

Call out the bullshit. Name it. Quantify it. Stop excusing it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So tell me then, why would you be opposed to having it reported that an American company employed these people and paid them a ridiculous fraction of a dollar to make hula hoops?

Because it's no ones fucking business.

Where is that outrage.

Wherever the hula hoop boycot is happening.

Hula hoops all day for $0.10 is somehow more moral than reporting it?

If people are buying them then obviously the vote is in.

Call out the bullshit. Name it. Quantify it. Stop excusing it.

Well as soon as you buy one and start telling me how horrible I am for doing the same while you stand there hoopin' it I will call out the bullshit.

 

[Recidiva]

Because it's no ones fucking business.

Wherever the hula hoop boycot is happening.

If people are buying them then obviously the vote is in.

Well as soon as you buy one and start telling me how horrible I am for doing the same while you stand there hoopin' it I will call out the bullshit.

It is a business, not a private individual. It is not a private home where nobody may look. It is a business that contributes to the economy in good or bad ways overall. If it's good, yay! If it's bad, boo.

It is not some teenager in a shower shrieking that this information is pervy. Although is sure appears that way.

You're fine calling out the bullshit, but this is not bullshit, this is activism. In the rules of activism, I get to passively resist your ass until I get my way.

 

[BotanyBoy]

It is a business, not a private individual.

And business's have rights too....they are people. Every business is a whole bunch of livelihoods and they deserve to be protected as such.

It is not a private home where nobody may look.

It's a private business where nobody may look except under strict guidelines, and even cops have to come up with a damn good reason and "it's not fair" doesn't cut the shit in this nation sister.

It is a business that contributes to the economy in good or bad ways overall. If it's good, yay! If it's bad, boo.

Sorry...this is america, not soviet russia.

You're fine calling out the bullshit, but this is not bullshit, this is activism. In the rules of activism, I get to passively resist your ass until I get my way.

Activate away...Wal Mart will be devastated.

 

[Recidiva]

And business's have rights too....they are people. Every business is a whole bunch of livelihoods and they deserve to be protected as such.

It's a private business where nobody may look except under strict guidelines.

Sorry...this is america, not soviet russia.

Activate away...Wal Mart will be devastated.

No, businesses do not have more rights than individuals. Individuals have some rights, but businesses have even more, unreasonable ones, like tax loopholes and sweetheart deals and completely undeserved welfare. Even individuals have to file taxes and account for the money made and the money spent. This is just one more number, not an undue burden.

We have dumbass laws like the PAC and Super PAC laws that make people and businesses completely unaccountable for their lobbying.

This is completely reasonable in the face of the bullshit perpetrated on behalf of lobbyists who give businesses a complete pass on any level of accountability.

 

[jeninflorida]

YOU'RE NOT FIGHTING!

Fighting would require effort....shes not willing to do that

 

[CandiCame]

Just outta curiosity, Bot, why are you still trying to talk to her? I think I'm giving up. I don't even have other shit to do, it's just gotten ridiculous to watch someone advocate something that they're obviously not going to do themselves.

 

[jeninflorida]

No, businesses do not have more rights than individuals. Individuals have some rights, but businesses have even more, unreasonable ones, like tax loopholes and sweetheart deals and completely undeserved welfare. Even individuals have to file taxes and account for the money made and the money spent. This is just one more number, not an undue burden.

We have dumbass laws like the PAC and Super PAC laws that make people and businesses completely unaccountable for their lobbying.

This is completely reasonable in the face of the bullshit perpetrated on behalf of lobbyists who give businesses a complete pass on any level of accountability.

Dribble....

Derp d derb

 

[Sean Renaud]

Everybody who's disagreeing with Reci and Candi do you guys remember to greet each other a bad day when you meet? Do you all have curleh mustaches? Cus you're all evil sons of bitches and generally rather short sighted at that.

This is a rather excellent plan. Hell I'd go as far as legally trying the two.

 

[jeninflorida]

Everybody who's disagreeing with Reci and Candi do you guys remember to greet each other a bad day when you meet? Do you all have curleh mustaches? Cus you're all evil sons of bitches and generally rather short sighted at that.

This is a rather excellent plan. Hell I'd go as far as legally trying the two.

Thats cuz your a fucking idiot

 

[CandiCame]

Everybody who's disagreeing with Reci and Candi do you guys remember to greet each other a bad day when you meet? Do you all have curleh mustaches? Cus you're all evil sons of bitches and generally rather short sighted at that.

This is a rather excellent plan. Hell I'd go as far as legally trying the two.

It's not a plan at all, tho. It's literally looking at a list. Looking at something and then doing nothing is not a plan. It's... art appreciation.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No, businesses do not have more rights than individuals.

Individuals have some rights, but businesses have even more

Well that about sums Recidiva up.

Just outta curiosity, Bot, why are you still trying to talk to her? I think I'm giving up. I don't even have other shit to do, it's just gotten ridiculous to watch someone advocate something that they're obviously not going to do themselves.

Same reason i talk to BBS and LJ.

B/c I'm a sucker for wailing on a punching bag until I got nothing left...it's cathartic for me.

Everybody who's disagreeing with Reci and Candi do you guys remember to greet each other a bad day when you meet? Do you all have curleh mustaches? Cus you're all evil sons of bitches and generally rather short sighted at that.

I'm evil to think we can't just wish away the basis of our entire existence as we know it because it's the "right" thing to do as I sit here on my computer filled with slave labor parts posting on the web just like you and everyone else??

Or because I think making companies post what everyone is making will amount to fuck all as long as everyone keeps getting their new Iphones?

I prefer to call it realism but ok.....

 

[jeninflorida]

It's not a plan at all, tho. It's literally looking at a list. Looking at something and then doing nothing is not a plan. It's... art appreciation.

You have to remember that SeanR is 10a cans short of a 6corporation pack...

Reciva is 24 cans short...

 

[Recidiva]

Well that about sums Recidiva up.

Does not. You're just being stubborn and I'm awesome.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I'm evil to think we can't just wish away the basis of our entire existence as we know it because it's the "right" thing to do as I sit here on my computer filled with slave labor parts posting on the web just like you and everyone else??

Or because I think making companies post what everyone is making will amount to fuck all as long as everyone keeps getting their new Iphones?

I prefer to call it realism but ok.....

Actually, yes you are evil. But at least you're the kind of evil I can respect. The guy who says "yup, there are slaves and they make my life easier and I don't really care." That's cool, I'm there too. I do want to help those people however and I will take steps to do it.

You may be right about companies posting what everybody makes will amount to fuck all. I doubt it though. I suspect once people by an large know this information they'll change their habits. If it does fuck all though then oh well. I'm not worried about fuck all and I'm not really seeing the downside to it. It seems like the worst case scenario is the CEO says "I make this much and you don't. Fuck you that's why." And goes on about his business. It'll be like in California where they have to post calorie counts on their menus. (though it seems that actually HAS changed people's eating habits but that's not the point.) It doesn't seem to be hurting anything.

 

[CandiCame]

Actually, yes you are evil. But at least you're the kind of evil I can respect. The guy who says "yup, there are slaves and they make my life easier and I don't really care." That's cool, I'm there too. I do want to help those people however and I will take steps to do it.

You may be right about companies posting what everybody makes will amount to fuck all. I doubt it though. I suspect once people by an large know this information they'll change their habits. If it does fuck all though then oh well. I'm not worried about fuck all and I'm not really seeing the downside to it. It seems like the worst case scenario is the CEO says "I make this much and you don't. Fuck you that's why." And goes on about his business. It'll be like in California where they have to post calorie counts on their menus. (though it seems that actually HAS changed people's eating habits but that's not the point.) It doesn't seem to be hurting anything.

Wait- they do what in Cali now!? I want that here!!

 

[Sean Renaud]

Wait- they do what in Cali now!? I want that here!!

Not much. Just all restaurants are required by law to post callories (or nutritional data I forget the details cus I kinda space them out already) on their menus. The Conservatives swore this would put them out of business.

 

[trysail]

'Get a boat!' Venezuela flights booked full for months

24 September, 2013
By Girish Gupta and Andrew Cawthorne

CARACAS (Reuters) - If you live in Venezuela and want to fly abroad, get in line. Flights are booked solid months in advance, not from a new interest in exotic destinations but because locals are profiting from a play on the nation's tightly controlled currency market.


The airline scramble has added to shortages, power cuts and runaway prices as another symbol of the Byzantine economic challenges facing the new government of President Nicolas Maduro in the South American OPEC nation. "It's like you're trapped here," said travel agent Doris Gaal, telling a customer he would be better off taking a boat to a Caribbean island because the daily flights are fully booked. "It's all because of these stupid dollars!"


After a decade of currency controls set up by late socialist leader Hugo Chavez in 2003, the disparity between the official and black-market rates for the local bolivar currency is higher than ever. Greenbacks now sell on the illegal market at about seven times the government price of 6.3 to the dollar.


There are strict limits on the availability of dollars at the 6.3 rate, but Venezuelans are cashing in on a special currency provision for travelers. With a valid airline ticket, Venezuelans may exchange up to $3,000 at the government rate. Some are not even flying, leaving many planes half empty.


"It is possible to travel abroad for free due to this exchange rate magic," said local economist Angel Garcia Banchs. The profit is realized from an arbitrage process known locally as "el raspao," or "the scrape."

Credit cards are used abroad to get a cash advance -- rather than buying merchandise. The dollars are then carried back into Venezuela and sold on the black market for some seven times the original exchange rate. The large profit margin easily absorbs the cost of flights and accommodation for a trip.


"I've been able to buy new clothes and give some cash to all my closest family members!" said one delighted Venezuelan lady, just back from a trip to Europe. It was really easy. There was a guy in a hotel room with 10 point-of-sale machines who swiped my card for $1,000 each day," said a Venezuelan pensioner, also asking not to be named as he described his trip to a Caribbean island.


CARACAS-TO-CARACAS

Some Venezuelans do not even bother leaving the country, but merely send their credit cards to friends overseas, who swipe the cards and send the cash back to Venezuela.


"This is the reason many airlines are sending half-empty planes," Ricardo Cusanno, head of a local tourism council, told Reuters, saying the government should cross-reference flight lists with those requesting foreign exchange to outwit the no-shows. As a result of the high level of unused seats, some airlines are beginning to overbook at much higher rates than usual.


As well as perplexing the industry, the scramble for tickets has become a hot topic of conversation and humor on the street. The nation's leading satirical website, Chiguire Bipolar (Bipolar Capybara, a Venezuelan version of U.S. comic website The Onion), ran a tongue-in-cheek story of a new airline route: from Caracas to Caracas.


The spoof round-trip flight would let passengers nibble on snacks as they leave Venezuelan airspace, swipe their cards to obtain "illicit dollars quickly and securely," and make even more profit by buying duty-free goods to sell at home. "Raspao" was now the "most dynamic sector" of the country's economy, the story added.


Not everyone sees the humor in the situation. The currency controls that Chavez implemented have exacerbated some of the very problems they were meant to address: inflation and capital flight from the country. The lack of dollars has left importers struggling to pay for basic items that range from toilet paper to bread and wine for church masses. It is also fueling the highest price rises in the Americas, 45 percent in the last year.


For critics of the government, the phenomenon of sold-out flights is a symbol of excessive interference and economic mismanagement during the last 14 years of socialist rule.


For Maduro and his team, it is symptomatic of unscrupulous and greedy capitalist opponents who are "sabotaging" Venezuela's economy in order to sink him. Maduro recently set up a new telephone hotline, 0-800-SABOTAGE, for Venezuelans to report illegal economic activity.


Adding to the frenetic demand for plane tickets is the low cost of flights - when they are available - for those with hard currency that they have changed on the black market. This has turned Caracas into an informal hub for frequent fliers across the region. "People from all over Latin America come here to buy flights using black market money," said Gaal, the travel agent. Given the high demand, at least one foreign airline is looking to expand in Venezuela.


"We have requested authorization for additional services but have not received a response," said Martha Pantin, a spokeswoman for American Airlines, which has 48 flights every week in and out of Venezuela. Back at her travel agency in a wealthy Caracas neighborhood, Gaal lamented her inability to serve customers. "I'll see you on the boat!" she quipped.

 

[richard_daily]

I went there I saw.....and I have never seen ANYTHING in the US even remotely close to the slums of China. To even try and compare the two is complete bull fuckin' shit and you know it.

Show me 3/4 of a billion over worked and starving Americans living in complete squallier stacked 16 to a room hot racking 8 beds. Then you might have an argument.

Of course there may be more people in China who are poor, because there's a LOT more people...

duh.

Are you familiar with what a denominator is?

Figure out the denominators here... in Bejing compared to Compton or South Central, or hell, all of LA, how many people are living on subsistence wages.