Crimes of Passion

[girlsmiley]

Whoooosh...whoooosh.

Careful, wall.

If that was my nephew I'd put you in hospital.

And after you'd come out of hospital I'd put you back there again.

Just sayin.

Keep yapping. It aint gonna help.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

If that was my nephew I'd put you in hospital.

And after you'd come out of hospital I'd put you back there again.

Just sayin.

Keep yapping. It aint gonna help.

Dammit, and my side just stopped hurting from laughing my ass off at the other post.

I was wondering when the empty threats of physical violence would start.

 

[Recidiva]

If that was my nephew I'd put you in hospital.

And after you'd come out of hospital I'd put you back there again.

Just sayin.

Keep yapping. It aint gonna help.

So telling me that if I'd done something I didn't do to someone you know and love but you don't know anything about me or mine...is...fucking my shit up?

If you want to start a fight, then do it. Don't dance around like a kitten and think that I'm going to be scared when you sink your fangs into my slippers.

You're not scary. I'm not threatened or cowed and you're behaving in a way that just begs for someone to mess with you.

If I'm that person, you richly deserve it. If I shouldn't because it's unfair and you're misreading what I'm saying and you can't sort it out in your brain...that is not my fault and I am Not A Nice Person to people who employ passive aggressive bullshit and splatter all their crap all over me.

"I'm gonna fuck your shit up!" and "Ow. Reci. Uncool" are just bonuses. You want me to play fair with you, play fair with me.

You can't simultaneously play the badass and the sympathy card and produce neither of them from the deck effectively.

 

[girlsmiley]

Yap, yap, yap.

I don't know how they do it in America but I would have knocked you out three or four posts ago had I been in the vicinity.

All good.

As I said. You'll be your own undoing.

 

[HoHoBomb]

I'm easily confused.

I don't think anyone around here really cares what Grace or Recidiva did. It's just an opportunity.[/QUOTE]

indeed

 

[Recidiva]

Yap, yap, yap.

I don't know how they do it in America but I would have knocked you out three or four posts ago had I been in the vicinity.

All good.

As I said. You'll be your own undoing.

Oh for God's sake, get some sleep.

It's like having a four year old with a wooden sword challenge me to a duel.

If I smack your ass with my sword you cry. If I don't take the gauntlet you throw down I'm a coward. If I do meet you on the field and try to have a play fight without actually skewering you on something because I like you, I'm ineffective.

Now I'm the Black Knight, Despoiler of Nephews! En Garde foul fiend!

I at least know well enough to know that I shouldn't be messing with you, but I also know that I'm just really not going to stab you through the heart as you so wish, to prove that Reci is just a big ol' meanie and you have saved your nephew from harm because with your courageous sacrifice of your internet life, you bring good and light to the downtrodden.

None Shall Pass.

 

[Noor]

Yap, yap, yap.

I don't know how they do it in America but I would have knocked you out three or four posts ago had I been in the vicinity.

All good.

As I said. You'll be your own undoing.

Guns are great equalizers, we have quite a few here in the former colonies.

 

[Noor]

Oh for God's sake, get some sleep.

It's like having a four year old with a wooden sword challenge me to a duel.

If I smack your ass with my sword you cry. If I don't take the gauntlet you throw down I'm a coward. If I do meet you on the field and try to have a play fight without actually skewering you on something because I like you, I'm ineffective.

Now I'm the Black Knight, Despoiler of Nephews! En Garde foul fiend!

I at least know well enough to know that I shouldn't be messing with you, but I also know that I'm just really not going to stab you through the heart as you so wish, to prove that Reci is just a big ol' meanie and you have saved your nephew from harm because with your courageous sacrifice of your internet life, you bring good and light to the downtrodden.

None Shall Pass.

Nerf sword!

 

[Recidiva]

Nerf sword!

I don't mind standing in an arena and taking all comers, but seriously. Have some dignity. If you don't want to get spanked, don't bend over and flash your ass at me.

 

[girlsmiley]

I cry. Crying is good for you.

 

[Recidiva]

I cry. Crying is good for you.

I do it all the time. I think J. K. Rowling is an evil bitch for killing Dobby. Fuck her.

 

[HoHoBomb]

I avoid places like walmart because there you find people who are verbally abusive towards children.

 

[Recidiva]

I avoid places like walmart because there you find people who are verbally abusive towards children.

*gasp* Walmartist!

 

[CHNOPS]

You spent a fair number of posts, perhaps six, establishing that you had a sexual interest in the boy. When that turned bad, you said it was harmless role-playing.

You said you "fooled around on the front seat of his car." When that turned bad, you said you meant it in the sense of horsing around.

You said you rehabilitated him by making him secure about his sexuality. When that turned bad, you called that "hugging a 16-year-old."

Who cares if you loved him? You seem to think if your intentions are good enough, your actions are defensible.

This all sounds familiar to me.

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Jerry Sandusky told NBC News that he had "horsed around with kids", hugged them and touched their legs, but was innocent of the charges against him.
Mr Sandusky, 67, is accused of abusing at least eight boys over 15 years.
According to grand jury testimony, a witness saw him raping a boy as young as 10 in the Penn State showers in 2002.
In an interview with NBC News' Rock Center programme broadcast on Monday night, Mr Sandusky said: "I have horsed around with kids. I have showered after workouts.
Asked if he was a paedophile, he said: "No".
The former defensive co-ordinator for the Penn State Nittany Lions was also asked if he felt sexual attraction to under-age boys.
"Sexually attracted?" Mr Sandusky said. "You know, I enjoy young people. I love to be around them. But no, I'm not sexually attracted to young boys."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15730317

 

[butters]

unbelievable

just unbelievable

 

[subdued_passion]

*gasp* Walmartist!

I'm a little confused... By Walmartist are you saying that she is prejudiced against Walmart or that she is secretly pro Walmart and the post was just a plug.

 

[Recidiva]

I'm a little confused... By Walmartist are you saying that she is prejudiced against Walmart or that she is secretly pro Walmart and the post was just a plug.

...both?

I just thought I was being a smartass.

 

[subdued_passion]

...both?

I just thought I was being a smartass.

Oh, you are a smart ass.

Now tell me if you had to prepare a meal using only stuff you could get at a Walmart, what would you make?

 

[Recidiva]

Oh, you are a smart ass.

Now tell me if you had to prepare a meal using only stuff you could get at a Walmart, what would you make?

Walmart isn't bad. My main reason why I couldn't shop at one for food was that the meat was wrapped badly and leaked.

I'm not too thrilled with them carrying "organic" stuff that wasn't.

But you can find anything you want, it might just drip on the way home. usually if I can't find a cut of meat anywhere else, like a large brisket or a pork shoulder, I might have to go to Walmart for it.

But now I have my newest truest love, Costco.

I could probably make anything I wanted in the fairly well known repertoire and I might luck out with goat or something specialty.

 

[evesdream]

..
You're trying waaay too hard to work the audience.

..

Yup.

.

 

[bg23]

unbelievable

just unbelievable

what is?

 

[Squibbs]

I give this drama a b-. Solid but not great.

Hopefully it is just a warm up for the Sean/LTR drama that is sure to come.

You're probably right, knowing lushious haguios.

They seem good for each other.

Both middle aged and can't keep a relationship.

My guess Is they are both losers and fit for each other.

I got nothing personal against ltr other than she's a moron for obvious reasons..

 

[Phelia]

This thread makes me sad, and I'm sorry for bumping. Reci, you know that I have always liked you, and I thought it was only fair to both of us that I was honest with you: what you posted has made me deeply uncomfortable.

As soon as you discovered his age, the sexual aspect of the relationship should have stopped immediately, and the site owner (unless it was him?) and the other users should have been made aware. If someone on here saw me flirting with a poster that (s)he knew to be underage and didn't tell me, I would be furious. Of course there are teenagers with an exceptional maturity level, but that's not for any of us to judge, and it wasn't for you to judge, even if (and it's a big ol' if) you were correct. You seem to acknowledge this on some level, but then you continue to make the case that your actions were justified and your circumstances exceptional.

You've said that you are witness to your own life in a way that none of us can be, and of course that's true. The issue is with what I'm witnessing now, and it's hard to tell the difference between your repenting the relationship and your defending it, which is troubling, for me. If you had done something wrong almost twenty years ago and genuinely regretted your actions, I could probably move past it, but I think what I and others are struggling with is that it doesn't seem to be registering with you just how wrong it was. However, "you're not sorry enough to satisfy me!" is an easy enough hole to climb out of, and I really do appreciate and respect that you would never feign guilt to appease the masses. You don't have to answer to me or to anyone, and I've always really admired your attitude about that.

I believe you didn't think this would explode as it did when you first posted, and that's part of what I'm having trouble understanding. Even if (another massive if) everything about your relationship was as exceptional as you've described it (bearing in mind that everyone considers themselves exceptional), ANY sort of sexual contact with a minor seems so heinous that most people will have a visceral reaction. Some people will have a very personal and painful reaction. That the admission barely registered to you as something people would be upset about is curious. That said, I don't think everyone needs to line up and tell you exactly what you did wrong, either, but hey, it's what we do.

I come to lit primarily for entertainment and good conversations, and I'm not going to ignore you. You are exactly the same person I was talking to last week. I do not feel exactly the same towards you, unfortunately, but that is because my knowledge of you has changed, not because you did, and in that way, I am glad this came to light. We all live in glass houses, and I really give you credit for drawing the blinds.

I don't think you're a predator. I don't believe you'd ever do that again. I do think you deserve to know why there may be a shift in my attitude towards you and the tone of my posts. I think you are a smart, fun, interesting woman and more than anything, this makes me sad. I hope you are right about everything. I hope that no one involved has suffered any lasting ill-effects and I hope your friendship is healthy and enjoyable, and I hope you understand why I feel the way I do.

 

[Recidiva]

This thread makes me sad, and I'm sorry for bumping. Reci, you know that I have always liked you, and I thought it was only fair to both of us that I was honest with you: what you posted has made me deeply uncomfortable.

As soon as you discovered his age, the sexual aspect of the relationship should have stopped immediately, and the site owner (unless it was him?) and the other users should have been made aware. If someone on here saw me flirting with a poster that (s)he knew to be underage and didn't tell me, I would be furious. Of course there are teenagers with an exceptional maturity level, but that's not for any of us to judge, and it wasn't for you to judge, even if (and it's a big ol' if) you were correct. You seem to acknowledge this on some level, but then you continue to make the case that your actions were justified and your circumstances exceptional.

You've said that you are witness to your own life in a way that none of us can be, and of course that's true. The issue is with what I'm witnessing now, and it's hard to tell the difference between your repenting the relationship and your defending it, which is troubling, for me. If you had done something wrong almost twenty years ago and genuinely regretted your actions, I could probably move past it, but I think what I and others are struggling with is that it doesn't seem to be registering with you just how wrong it was. However, "you're not sorry enough to satisfy me!" is an easy enough hole to climb out of, and I really do appreciate and respect that you would never feign guilt to appease the masses. You don't have to answer to me or to anyone, and I've always really admired your attitude about that.

I believe you didn't think this would explode as it did when you first posted, and that's part of what I'm having trouble understanding. Even if (another massive if) everything about your relationship was as exceptional as you've described it (bearing in mind that everyone considers themselves exceptional), ANY sort of sexual contact with a minor seems so heinous that most people will have a visceral reaction. Some people will have a very personal and painful reaction. That the admission barely registered to you as something people would be upset about is curious. That said, I don't think everyone needs to line up and tell you exactly what you did wrong, either, but hey, it's what we do.

I come to lit primarily for entertainment and good conversations, and I'm not going to ignore you. You are exactly the same person I was talking to last week. I do not feel exactly the same towards you, unfortunately, but that is because my knowledge of you has changed, not because you did, and in that way, I am glad this came to light. We all live in glass houses, and I really give you credit for drawing the blinds.

I don't think you're a predator. I don't believe you'd ever do that again. I do think you deserve to know why there may be a shift in my attitude towards you and the tone of my posts. I think you are a smart, fun, interesting woman and more than anything, this makes me sad. I hope you are right about everything. I hope that no one involved has suffered any lasting ill-effects and I hope your friendship is healthy and enjoyable, and I hope you understand why I feel the way I do.

Thank you for your response. There's nothing in there for me to disagree with or for you to be sorry about. I do wish I had been a better person in my life. That I haven't and that I'm so beyond this experience that I don't grant it the proper gravitas might appear to be unfeeling, which is not the case.

Although the majority of the experience has been on the ridiculous defensive to the ridiculous offensive, I have paused to grant serious disappointment its moment. That you are disappointed in me is not a surprise and I'd assume would be a given.

For me I don't think I deserve defense, so I'm not going to tidy up and pretend...what? It's indefensible.

I think that's part of what made people go in for the kill. "Weakness. Sense. Blood." That I would leave a flank unprotected...how could you miss that opportunity. I do think people have mistaken my lack of vociferous defense of my behavior as some level of hesitation or soul searching when it was something else entirely.

I have tactically not defended myself effectively, on purpose. I have fended off the ridiculous and I have not donned the ceremonial blood worms and sack cloth. That doesn't mean that I'm shining up who I am and asking people to think something differently than what I've said will lead them to think.

Do not mistake my lack of personal defense as a sign that I'm blind or blithe or failing to calculate. However, you must realize that in my pantheon of life experiences, this is about the same time I joined a Cult and worked with the New Age pantheon in NYC.

"Holy crap, you were a Scientologist?"

"Jesus, you were a spoon bender?"

Although it is warming to think that people hold me in high regard and I didn't know it existed until it was gone, I myself do not put myself up as an ideal citizen.

You may have been one. I wasn't. I can't apologize to you, I didn't hurt you or harm you. I also can't appeal to you to be my buddy, be my pal, because your judgment is your own and that would be blackmail.

"Tell me I'm nice or I won't make you laugh" seems petty.

 

[bg23]

you're actually claiming you -didn't- defend yourself? that you didn't brush aside what you did with, "it was justified, it was rehabilitation, it did no harm, he'd laugh about it with me right now!"

seriously???

there's nothing wrong with defending yourself, nothing wrong with correcting people with the salient facts. you didn't just defend yourself, you justified yourself and then claimed everyone was just accusing you of something you didn't do.

but you didn't defend yourself. ok.