Crimes of Passion

[Wings]

What that says to me was that what was removed was not within the forum guidelines.

On Lit, the minimum age is 18. That's not the case in most States:

This is not the full explanation of the law, if you felt like it you could read back to my experience with dating someone older. 24 months of age difference was the max. Not 15 years.


And it's rather sad and amazing to me, the whole thing. Glad I have ninja skills or the actual evidence of what was written would be lost forever. It's easy to come in here an point fingers at those who are up in arms than to stop and consider why people are upset.

But hey, cheap entertainment, there's an excuse, an apology and other tap dancing afoot so who really cares?

 

[alabama]

It is much better than just being a bullshit troll who wants to jump on the sled going downhill because it looks like SO MUCH FUN!

Oh yes, I forgot about that part.

 

[Wings]

And Grace was run off this board (on that name anyway) for doing something less than Recidiva admitted to. So to excuse her behavior is abhorrent. Maybe that kid had no lasting issues, super. But to come in here and laugh about such stupid decisions in regards to a 14 year old? No.

 

[Byron In Exile]

They should probably get Grey Goose or something top shelf.

I was thinking formaldehyde.

 

[Recidiva]

This is not the full explanation of the law, if you felt like it you could read back to my experience with dating someone older. 24 months of age difference was the max. Not 15 years.


And it's rather sad and amazing to me, the whole thing. Glad I have ninja skills or the actual evidence of what was written would be lost forever. It's easy to come in here an point fingers at those who are up in arms than to stop and consider why people are upset.

But hey, cheap entertainment, there's an excuse, an apology and other tap dancing afoot so who really cares?

Yes, me tap dancing with a voluntarily told story that I know the circumstances and other people don't. Circumstances I have repeated on request.

Oh no, I outed myself in NOT having sex with someone!

And now people think maybe I'm not so bad because I COULD have had sex with him and it would have been okay!

You think if you guys took a vote and had a majority, you could change reality for real and not just circumstantially?

If every damned person hated me on this board for this offense, I would still think the entire process entertaining, informative, and leave me with the impression that I am SO...GLAD...that I'm not that stupid, to only believe the bad bits that someone made up about someone else.

 

[jomar]

I was thinking formaldehyde.

Yeah, I figured that's where you were headed. Cheers!

 

[Recidiva]

Oh yes, I forgot about that part.

You're not actually on ignore because I don't generally think you're a troll. I think you're passionate and you care and I'm okay with that.

Your comprehension of real issues, maybe not so much. But that's okay because you just took what was there and added your own brain to it. I haven't seen you in years so I was just surprised at your presence and interest.

What I'm not okay with is being castigated and expected to be ashamed of shit I didn't do.

BG23 is really the only one who took a ridiculous shot in the dark and the shit just went downhill from there. Her opinion is noted and in my opinion, really funny. Not because I think the subject is funny, but because soooo many people piled on and ran the fuck away with her narrative.

Nobody's going to call BG23 out for trolling the thread starter and calling subdued_passion a dude and BG23 just "knows" what goes on and what people really mean and what really happened and I'm entertained not by the subject, but by the ridiculous process.

It doesn't matter that BG23 thinks she is psychic and "knows" all these details and she can't get any of them right. It's the damned SPIRIT of the thing, right? She's righteous, she's angry, who is going to come out and vote "Yes! I like Pedophilia! I'm with Reci!" CHAAAAAARGE!

Why let reality get in the way of a good witch hunt?

This is people listening to other people's passion, not the facts. I get that this is not about me.

 

[Saint Peter]

I can hop around on one leg.

How would that be?

That works.

 

[Wings]

My point in even responding again to this thread was that Grace sent tit pics to an underage boy. She was arrested, convicted and put on house arrest. He WASN'T one of her students as Sean's post implied, he was A student.

They never met, he was blackmailing her and still arrest, conviction, house arrest or at least can't leave the state-her case even though they never met.

Your case-you started a sexual relationship, albeit not in the flesh, with a child of 14 which you KNEW his age and still engaged. Whether sexual relations happened in the meat world it doesn't matter, from your follow up posts you suggested you would have followed through with the sex but he wasn't on board.

Have you ever watched an episode of To Catch a Predator? Those skeezy men trolling for underage girls sound like you. That is the point here. We've all done stupid things but most don't come on a public forum and crow about engaging in a sexually-based relationship with a 14 year old.

And just to make it clear, I made sure I can see a copy of what you originally posted, I get that others (your husband whom no one can blame for sticking up for you, for example) might not get the vehemence shown here because they didn't read what you first wrote.

I have kids, I know many others here do too, I'm pretty sure the consequences of some 20-something messing around with my early-teenage offspring wouldn't include them laughing it up in public.

 

[Recidiva]

My point in even responding again to this thread was that Grace sent tit pics to an underage boy. She was arrested, convicted and put on house arrest. He WASN'T one of her students as Sean's post implied, he was A student.

They never met, he was blackmailing her and still arrest, conviction, house arrest or at least can't leave the state-her case even though they never met.

Your case-you started a sexual relationship, albeit not in the flesh, with a child of 14 which you KNEW his age and still engaged. Whether sexual relations happened in the meat world it doesn't matter, from your follow up posts you suggested you would have followed through with the sex but he wasn't on board.

Have you ever watched an episode of To Catch a Predator? Those skeezy men trolling for underage girls sound like you. That is the point here. We've all done stupid things but most don't come on a public forum and crow about engaging in a sexually-based relationship with a 14 year old.

And just to make it clear, I made sure I can see a copy of what you originally posted, I get that others (your husband whom no one can blame for sticking up for you, for example) might not get the vehemence shown here because they didn't read what you first wrote.

I have kids, I know many others here do too, I'm pretty sure the consequences of some 20-something messing around with my early-teenage offspring wouldn't include them laughing it up in public.

And that is your interpretation and I'm okay with that.

However you might dislike me for this, and I accept that, you're just making stuff up that you "think" happened and that you "think" he was like and that you "think" I did and that you "think" is wrong morally even if not legally.

Okay, but seriously, that's a lot of transitions away from certainty. I am the only one here with certainty. Ulaven knew the guy so he doesn't have to "defend" me. He's stating facts that he was present to witness.

The comments here are not about "meat world" not happening. It is gleeful "Reci fucked an underage boy and she's trying to deny it!"

 

[Byron In Exile]

This is not the full explanation of the law, if you felt like it you could read back to my experience with dating someone older. 24 months of age difference was the max. Not 15 years.

I'm sure it varies from State to State, and I don't know the laws in most of them. But even 24 months, or 6 months, would violate the forum guidelines if someone wasn't 18.

 

[eyer]

What that says to me was that what was removed was not within the forum guidelines.

On Lit, the minimum age is 18. That's not the case in most States:

I'm not going to repost stuff that Laurel quite obviously doesn't want present here on LIT...

...so why don't you PM her and ask:

Did you enter into an online relationship that contained sexual (BDSM-flavored) wanderings with the person of note?

Were you then informed by someone else of his actual age?

What was that age?

How old were you?

Did you then intentionally continue the sexually-charged online relationship with the person of note?

Did you eventually meet physically with this person of note?

Did you, or did you not, mess around sexually with this person of note in the front seat of a car during that intentional meeting?

How old was the person of note at the time of that physical meeting?

How old were you?

Do you really believe you "rehabilitated" the person of note by contributing to this affair?

Is it a crime with sex offender status penalty to involve yourself in any way sexually with a person who was the age the person of note was when you intentionally began your online affair with him?

How old was he, again?

 

[Wings]

And that is your interpretation and I'm okay with that.

However you might dislike me for this, and I accept that, you're just making stuff up that you "think" happened and that you "think" he was like and that you "think" I did and that you "think" is wrong morally even if not legally.

Okay, but seriously, that's a lot of transitions away from certainty. I am the only one here with certainty. Ulaven knew the guy so he doesn't have to "defend" me. He's stating facts that he was present to witness.

The comments here are not about "meat world" not happening. It is gleeful "Reci fucked an underage boy and she's trying to deny it!"

No one speaks for me and I speak for no one but myself, for the record. BG had nothing to do with my outrage. I can think whatever I'd like especially when I have only your words to base your interactions on.

To imply that I am gleeful about what you have IMPLIED you've done is sickening. I'm upset, I'm a mom, I'm a fucking human being who is sickened by your laughing about a situation in regards to an underage boy.

I have made nothing up, all I've been doing is parroting your words. A skill I learned after a whole lot of therapy following my own victimization by someone, someone who sounds a lot like the words that you've typed in this thread so do me a favor and don't bother telling me what I'm doing.

 

[Recidiva]

No one speaks for me and I speak for no one but myself, for the record. BG had nothing to do with my outrage. I can think whatever I'd like especially when I have only your words to base your interactions on.

To imply that I am gleeful about what you have IMPLIED you've done is sickening. I'm upset, I'm a mom, I'm a fucking human being who is sickened by your laughing about a situation in regards to an underage boy.

I have made nothing up, all I've been doing is parroting your words. A skill I learned after a whole lot of therapy following my own victimization by someone, someone who sounds a lot like the words that you've typed in this thread so do me a favor and don't bother telling me what I'm doing.

Then don't tell me what I did or didn't do either. You want me to take your word for it, then take mine.

If you just want to project what happened to you onto what I did, that is entirely forgivable. Just not fair.

 

[Wings]

Then don't tell me what I did or didn't do either. You want me to take your word for it, then take mine.

If you just want to project what happened to you onto what I did, that is entirely forgivable. Just not fair.

You offered up words in this thread, words that go against this incredibly lenient forum's rules, and that is what you're being attacked on. My past makes me more sensitive to it, sure. But I doubt every person who has been vocal about this lived through what I did.

 

[bronzeage]

And Grace was run off this board (on that name anyway) for doing something less than Recidiva admitted to. So to excuse her behavior is abhorrent. Maybe that kid had no lasting issues, super. But to come in here and laugh about such stupid decisions in regards to a 14 year old? No.

Grace's real problem was her legal issues. Someone was able to connect her Lit identity to her everyday life and the news stories about her arrest and conviction. It was fairly stupid for her to come to a sexually oriented adult forum, and probably stupider still to post face pics which confirmed her identity. It had to be someone from her personal life and they were able to follow her to Lit with the sole intent of harassing her.

I don't know the motives of whoever tracked her down and exposed her, but I am sure it had nothing to do with protecting innocent youth from predatory women.

 

[Killswitch]

Grace's real problem was her legal issues. Someone was able to connect her Lit identity to her everyday life and the news stories about her arrest and conviction. It was fairly stupid for her to come to a sexually oriented adult forum, and probably stupider still to post face pics which confirmed her identity. It had to be someone from her personal life and they were able to follow her to Lit with the sole intent of harassing her.

I don't know the motives of whoever tracked her down and exposed her, but I am sure it had nothing to do with protecting innocent youth from predatory women.

This.

This is what this pace is all about in a fucking nutshell.

 

[Wings]

Grace's real problem was her legal issues. Someone was able to connect her Lit identity to her everyday life and the news stories about her arrest and conviction. It was fairly stupid for her to come to a sexually oriented adult forum, and probably stupider still to post face pics which confirmed her identity. It had to be someone from her personal life and they were able to follow her to Lit with the sole intent of harassing her.

I don't know the motives of whoever tracked her down and exposed her, but I am sure it had nothing to do with protecting innocent youth from predatory women.

I think you're confusing the issue. I brought her up because she did something similar to the situation that first started this brouhaha. The point was to give evidence of what can and probably should happen when someone in their 20's gets involved with a young teenager.

Clearly her circumstances were a bit more extreme due to her job but she is the best example we have, or that I have for this type of thing.

 

[bronzeage]

I think you're confusing the issue. I brought her up because she did something similar to the situation that first started this brouhaha. The point was to give evidence of what can and probably should happen when someone in their 20's gets involved with a young teenager.

Clearly her circumstances were a bit more extreme due to her job but she is the best example we have, or that I have for this type of thing.

I'm easily confused.

I don't think anyone around here really cares what Grace or Recidiva did. It's just an opportunity.

 

[Recidiva]

You offered up words in this thread, words that go against this incredibly lenient forum's rules, and that is what you're being attacked on. My past makes me more sensitive to it, sure. But I doubt every person who has been vocal about this lived through what I did.

No, there I have to disagree with you. YOU are having a specific reaction and I am talking to you about your reaction. You have all my sympathy and I'm not attempting to minimize anybody else's experiences or trials on the subject of abuse.

You get to be witness to your experience. You get to say how bad it was and what it did to you. I would be unfair if I were to accuse you of only disliking me because of your prejudices on the subject. I am not saying that. But it is equally unfair to brand me as abuser because there are abusers in the world whose circumstances seem similar.

I get to be witness to my experience. I get to say what it was. I get to be witness honestly for someone who can't speak for himself, though the idea of him being abused by me is...funny because it is incongruous with reality. I get to do those things without having my words and experiences twisted to suit someone else's interpretation of what they think I'm lying about and where they should fill in the blanks.

You are insisting on your own reality and I respect that and I don't demand that you conform to mine.

I do think that if you want to be considered fair on the subject, you would need to have at least as much trust in my clarifications as in my first post.

You are however not required to be fair. If this triggered something awful in your head, and if it triggered awful things in anybody's head, the only thing I can do is reassure people that is not the case.

However, it seems impossible for people to believe that it could NOT be the case. That I am simultaneously stupid enough to have had an illegal affair and then to laugh about it online.

Doesn't it seem more likely to anyone that the story in my head was so innocuous in my own experience that I didn't think twice about posting, though I should have for several reasons? "Oh, crimes of passion...I haven't really done anything that qualifies...but circumstantially this one is pretty close, here, here's a story"

Why the hell would a reasonably intelligent person shoot herself in the foot like that? Yeah, I can be dumb, but I'm not that dumb.

 

[neci]

Yup, this guy was born old. He was grateful to have someone to talk to that wasn't just interested in his talent with a whip.

I can't work miracles, just provide fun company.

Believe that or don't, I'm not here crowing about it being a great thing everybody should do. I'm listing it under "crime" and it's not something I'm proud about, but it is something that happened. To me it was an emotional and not a physical relationship, but was it still outside of what is considered lawful? Yes.

Do I think I did the kid some good? Yeah, actually I do. Do I think I could have been charged with a crime? Yep. If my daughter or son had a relationship with a person that much older, would I freak out? Hell yes.

when people express disgust and disdain, remember you stated you could have been charged with a crime for your involvement with that "born old" 14 year old. i guess to you it's just providing "fun" company, but to others, like the law, it's more serious. to back peddle and play back and forth with people, playing victim for being attacked, when you admitted to being the perpetrator is pretty fucking low. hopefully your husband is able to provide you with enough to meet your needs, so you don't have to go off finding any more "born old" boys.

 

[bra_man69]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/030/013/scaled.php?1260338978

 

[Wings]

No, there I have to disagree with you. YOU are having a specific reaction and I am talking to you about your reaction. You have all my sympathy and I'm not attempting to minimize anybody else's experiences or trials on the subject of abuse.

You get to be witness to your experience. You get to say how bad it was and what it did to you. I would be unfair if I were to accuse you of only disliking me because of your prejudices on the subject. I am not saying that. But it is equally unfair to brand me as abuser because there are abusers in the world whose circumstances seem similar.

I get to be witness to my experience. I get to say what it was. I get to be witness honestly for someone who can't speak for himself, though the idea of him being abused by me is...funny because it is incongruous with reality. I get to do those things without having my words and experiences twisted to suit someone else's interpretation of what they think I'm lying about and where they should fill in the blanks.

You are insisting on your own reality and I respect that and I don't demand that you conform to mine.

I do think that if you want to be considered fair on the subject, you would need to have at least as much trust in my clarifications as in my first post.

You are however not required to be fair. If this triggered something awful in your head, and if it triggered awful things in anybody's head, the only thing I can do is reassure people that is not the case.

However, it seems impossible for people to believe that it could NOT be the case. That I am simultaneously stupid enough to have had an illegal affair and then to laugh about it online.

Doesn't it seem more likely to anyone that the story in my head was so innocuous in my own experience that I didn't think twice about posting, though I should have for several reasons? "Oh, crimes of passion...I haven't really done anything that qualifies...but circumstantially this one is pretty close, here, here's a story"

Why the hell would a reasonably intelligent person shoot herself in the foot like that? Yeah, I can be dumb, but I'm not that dumb.

I'm not sure but I can only assume you thought you'd post this story for people to laugh and give a good natured ribbing over, I doubt you expected a backlash such as this.

And you have all the right in the world to talk about your experience but not his. You say he'd come in here playing a role and the laughing about it, that's fine but unless he was the one typing the words you'll have to just excuse my disbelief.


And this has nothing to do with not liking you and everything to do with not liking your actions.

 

[SigmundFraud]

Is it just me or does anybody else think a 16 year old boy getting some play from a 20 year old is not complaining?

Gotta love the self righteous holier than thou mentality here.

Actually all I see is a whole bunch of troll behavior.

Yeah that's right bitches my first post is busting your balls you bunch of twats.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

I give this drama a b-. Solid but not great.

Hopefully it is just a warm up for the Sean/LTR drama that is sure to come.