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DNC Hack Claims Racism Behind Zimmerman Verdict…




Typical Pavlovian response.

Via Daily Caller:


Former Democratic National Committee spokesman Brad Woodhouse fired off an incendiary stream of tweets late Saturday night suggesting that racism and politics prompted the jury to acquit George Zimmerman of all charges.

At 11.23 p.m., Woodhouse – who left the DNC job two weeks ago – retweeted a message claiming that the jury was racist.

“I think in post-Obama America its easy to forget race matters still matter. Zimmerman was innocent the moment they sat an all white jury,” said the original tweet from Cornell Belcher, a Democratic-affiliated African-American political strategist.

At 10.25, Woodhouse broadcast a tweet suggesting that Zimmerman was acquitted of killing Trayvon Martin because he is not black.

“RT @ryangrim: Does anyone honestly believe Trayvon would have been acquitted if he had shot Zimmerman and told the same story?”
 
Ishmael said:
No it shouldn't have. There was no evidence to support any of the charges brought against Zimmerman. The lead investigator said so in his report as did the police chief, and the then state attorney, Norm Wolfinger. Norm recused himself from the case rather than succumb to political pressure. The police chief was fired and the lead investigator demoted. The IT guy for the states attorneys office was fired Friday, why, because he is the fellow that notified the court, and the defense, that over 2000 pages of evidence were being withheld by the prosecution from the defense. These were ALL political acts made by politicians for no other reason than to force charges, a trial, and with the withholding of evidence presumably a guilty verdict. And after all of these mechanations to force the trial and a guilty verdict the jury still found correctly on the basis of the law.

And under which statute would you incarcerate Zimmerman? There are none that I know of that you might apply to achieve that particular goal.

And why is the aftermath going to be worse? What was once a racial showdown only in the eyes of a few has now been blown into a problem of epic proportions no small thanks to the media. The case was never about race, even Martin's parents have publicly stated so. And while initially there were only a few in the black community that wouldn't be satisfied with anything short of Zimmerman being found guilty, or killed, those numbers have swelled to the thousands, thousands focused on Zimmerman specifically and whites in general. All because of this political show trial and how is this a good thing?

As far as Zimmerman is concerned I hope that he's used this time to finish the level 3 Rosetta Stone courses in Spanish and then uses his South American passport to leave the country because his life isn't worth a plug nickle here. Some gang banger is going to cap his ass thinking they're going to be hailed a hero, and some will hail him as such, and that action is going to have consequences of its own.

Ishmael
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There was and is enough evidence to cast doubt on his claim of self defense. The police gave incorrect information when they said witness testimonies lined up with Zimmerman's story. The system is fallible - it is susceptible to human error, bias, etc. That the defendant won does not mean that the case should not have been tried. I will say that it probably should not have been tried for second degree murder. The evidence just wasn't there, and the decision was very likely due to political pressure, which was coming from all directions. I am not familiar with Florida's laws, so of course I can't suggest a statute under which he should have been prosecuted.

The spectacle, the contentious language, and the ignorant statements made all around are not good, but I'm glad it went to trial and I'm glad it caught people's attention. It's a good thing because it brought national attention to the Stand Your Ground law, which should not exist. It's a good thing because it highlighted a system in which an individual can precipitate a killing and not be held legally accountable. It's a good thing because it opened up a discussion about systemic prejudice in the legal system and in our society, and do you know the moment in which that became abundantly clear for me? In which this trial became a "race issue"? When people looked at a dead 17-year-old and said he deserved it because of a few text messages that he sent. That his "thug" persona, i.e. his blackness, is what made him punch George Zimmerman. That he was not allowed to be suspicious of an individual staring at and following him in the rain on his walk home from a convenience store, that he should have expected it after having the nerve to be a black teenager wearing a hoodie and walking around in his neighborhood.

I believe George Zimmerman actually grew up bilingual.
 
Ishmael said:
As far as Zimmerman is concerned I hope that he's used this time to finish the level 3 Rosetta Stone courses in Spanish and then uses his South American passport to leave the country because his life isn't worth a plug nickle here. Some gang banger is going to cap his ass thinking they're going to be hailed a hero, and some will hail him as such, and that action is going to have consequences of its own.

Ishmael
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Or, possibly, someone will see Zimmerman approaching them, and then, recognizing him and knowing his track record, will shoot him out of fear he will shoot them first and then plausibly claim self-defense.

That's the world we'e apparently living in now. You draw your gun last (assuming you're even armed), you lose your life and the other guy wins in court.
 
Phelia said:
There was and is enough evidence to cast doubt on his claim of self defense. The police gave incorrect information when they said witness testimonies lined up with Zimmerman's story. The system is fallible - it is susceptible to human error, bias, etc. That the defendant won does not mean that the case should not have been tried. I will say that it probably should not have been tried for second degree murder. The evidence just wasn't there, and the decision was very likely due to political pressure, which was coming from all directions. I am not familiar with Florida's laws, so of course I can't suggest a statute under which he should have been prosecuted.

The spectacle, the contentious language, and the ignorant statements made all around are not good, but I'm glad it went to trial and I'm glad it caught people's attention. It's a good thing because it brought national attention to the Stand Your Ground law, which should not exist. It's a good thing because it highlighted a system in which an individual can precipitate a killing and not be held legally accountable. It's a good thing because it opened up a discussion about systemic prejudice in the legal system and in our society, and do you know the moment in which that became abundantly clear for me? In which this trial became a "race issue"? When people looked at a dead 17-year-old and said he deserved it because of a few text messages that he sent. That his "thug" persona, i.e. his blackness, is what made him punch George Zimmerman. That he was not allowed to be suspicious of an individual staring at and following him in the rain on his walk home from a convenience store, that he should have expected it after having the nerve to be a black teenager wearing a hoodie and walking around in his neighborhood.

I believe George Zimmerman actually grew up bilingual.
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There was none, not ever. Misinformation disseminated by the press for their own political agenda. Took the jury less than 16 hours to acquit on all charges and it would have taken less than a day if not for the state trying to throw the manslaughter crap in at the last minute. That is indicative of there being NO evidence brought by the state to support the charges. The only thing the state brought to the table were wild fantasies, fictions concocted in their evil little minds to appease their political masters. That's not justice, that's corruption of the legal system.

Ishmael
 
Ishmael said:
There was none, not ever. Misinformation disseminated by the press for their own political agenda. Took the jury less than 16 hours to acquit on all charges and it would have taken less than a day if not for the state trying to throw the manslaughter crap in at the last minute. That is indicative of there being NO evidence brought by the state to support the charges. The only thing the state brought to the table were wild fantasies, fictions concocted in their evil little minds to appease their political masters. That's not justice, that's corruption of the legal system.

Ishmael
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And you're entitled to that completely uneducated opinion.
 
Phelia said:
There was and is enough evidence to cast doubt on his claim of self defense.
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Fortunately we don't work in a guilty until proven innocent manner......Zimmerman's claim to self defense was never on trial, the states claim to murder however was.

The state has to prove the crime before they can lock you up, that is the only way it works and it's always been that way.
 
The widdle white (and perhaps a few middle class black) liberals on lit still carrying on about this verdict?

Sorry, most normal people don't care that much, know the charges were only brought for political reasons, and are quite happy that this poor Hispanic fellow was not railroaded into prison to make the latte sipping "activist" liberals happy.

As I suspected, the "street" doesn't care. Sorry, libs, no riots. This was no Rodney King situation. Maybe next time.
 
renard_ruse said:
The widdle white (and perhaps a few middle class black) liberals on lit still carrying on about this verdict?

Sorry, most normal people don't care that much, know the charges were only brought for political reasons, and are quite happy that this poor Hispanic fellow was not railroaded into prison to make the latte sipping "activist" liberals happy.

As I suspected, the "street" doesn't care. Sorry, libs, no riots. This was no Rodney King situation. Maybe next time.
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So there has to be a riot for the "street" to "care."

Like I said, you know nothing.
 
IrezumiKiss said:
So there has to be a riot for the "street" to "care."
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Pretty much.

I'm not saying if you take a poll you wouldn't see a majority of black respondants unhappy with the verdict, but I was also quite right all along this was an astroturf issue. Just isn't something that is going to cause riots or anything. Its been a much bigger issue among liberal latte sippers, Democrat activists, and the media, than among the ordinary public.
 
Ishmael said:
There was none, not ever. Misinformation disseminated by the press for their own political agenda. Took the jury less than 16 hours to acquit on all charges and it would have taken less than a day if not for the state trying to throw the manslaughter crap in at the last minute. That is indicative of there being NO evidence brought by the state to support the charges. The only thing the state brought to the table were wild fantasies, fictions concocted in their evil little minds to appease their political masters. That's not justice, that's corruption of the legal system.

Ishmael
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Ok. I disagree with you. So let's try another angle, because I'm genuinely trying to gauge where you stand. Theoretically, do you see the exploitability in the laws as currently written? Let's say I have a problem with someone. I confront that person in a public space but with no witnesses. I start to verbally accost that person. Maybe I even assault him/her physically, but not anything that would leave a mark. That person fights back and I sustain injuries. I am not in fear of my life, but I'm fucking pissed, and I'm carrying a legally concealed weapon, and I shoot that person dead. I lie and say it was self defense. The only evidence is my injuries and my testimony. Should I be put on trial? Are the laws designed to uphold justice in this circumstance?

BotanyBoy said:
Fortunately we don't work in a guilty until proven innocent manner......Zimmerman's claim to self defense was never on trial, the states claim to murder however was.

The state has to prove the crime before they can lock you up, that is the only way it works and it's always been that way.
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The first part of your post makes zero logical sense. The entire basis for the state's claim that he was guilty of murder (onus on them to prove, obviously - no one ever said that it wasn't) was that he did NOT act in self defense. Of course that had to be investigated and presented to a jury. They reviewed the evidence and gave a verdict and I'm not objecting to it.
 
BREAKING: Justice Department Examining Zimmerman Case For Possible Federal Charges…




Now this would be a travesty of justice.


WASHINGTON — Federal prosecutors are pressing forward with their investigation into the killing of Trayvon Martin following the acquittal of the man who shot him, George Zimmerman, on state charges, a spokesperson for the Justice Department said Sunday.

“Experienced federal prosecutors will determine whether the evidence reveals a prosecutable violation of any of the limited federal criminal civil rights statutes within our jurisdiction, and whether federal prosecution is appropriate in accordance with the Department’s policy governing successive federal prosecution following a state trial,” Dena W. Iverson, a Justice spokesperson, said in a statement.

The Justice Department’s civil rights division as well as the FBI are continuing to investigate Martin’s death, the statement said.

Civil rights groups and Martin supporters have called on the Justice Department to prosecute Zimmerman following his acquittal Saturday night. Sunday’s statement was the first response from Justice following the public pressure campaign.
 
Dem Rep. Jerry Nadler “Pleased” DOJ Looking Into Federal Charges Against Zimmerman…




The DOJ knows if they bring civil rights charges against Zimmerman they will lose.
 
No one really gives a FLYING FUCK about dead black kids....so spare us the fucking sobs

Black Chicago Teen Killed, Possibly For Not Joining Gang-Where Is The Justice For Him?Larry O'Connor @LarryOConnor

Black chicago teen murdered for not joining a gang. @TheRevAl Sharpton silent. #JusticeforDarryl http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=9169739 … @benshapiro


11:35 AM - 14 Jul 2013



Relatives ID body found in Englewood yard as Darryl Green, 16

Darryl Green, 16, was found behind a boarded up home in the 6500-block of South Damen in the West Englewood neighborhood.
ABC 7 Chicago @ABC7Chicago
 
renard_ruse said:
Pretty much.

I'm not saying if you take a poll you wouldn't see a majority of black respondants unhappy with the verdict, but I was also quite right all along this was an astroturf issue. Just isn't something that is going to cause riots or anything. Its been a much bigger issue among liberal latte sippers, Democrat activists, and the media, than among the ordinary public.
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You're not the "street." You don't know the "street."

The only street you know about that I'll give you at least a half credence of knowledge credit over has the word "Sesame" prefixing it.

Tell yourself whatever fables and falsehoods you gotta tell to get by because it's your freedom, but you staying losing.
 
IWFTHAG said:
No one really gives a FLYING FUCK about dead black kids....so spare us the fucking sobs
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Will the BLACK thug in the WH......say the same about ALL BLACK KIDS? Of course not....he like every one else

DOENT really give a shit


Obama Releases Statement On Zimmerman Verdict: Remain Calm, “Honor Trayvon Martin”…




Obama worried people might riot over the death of his hypothetical son?


(CNN) – President Barack Obama issued the following statement Sunday following the verdict in the George Zimmerman trial.

“The death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy. Not just for his family, or for any one community, but for America. I know this case has elicited strong passions. And in the wake of the verdict, I know those passions may be running even higher. But we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken. I now ask every American to respect the call for calm reflection from two parents who lost their young son. And as we do, we should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to widen the circle of compassion and understanding in our own communities. We should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that’s a job for all of us. That’s the way to honor Trayvon Martin.”
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