Justice for Trayvon??

i do, because i haven't followed this case very much at all. media-centric cases usually are as big a turn-off as seeing margaret thatcher naked.
No, there is no "federal civil lawsuit" being brought against Zimmerman. Nor would a civil lawsuit brought by anybody have anything to do with double-jeopardy. Nor does Vetteman understand what a civil lawsuit is, and why the fear that the evil Obama- Holder biumverate might initiate one against Zimmerman is absurd bordering on impossible.
 
No, there is no "federal civil lawsuit" being brought against Zimmerman. Nor would a civil lawsuit brought by anybody have anything to do with double-jeopardy. Nor does Vetteman understand what a civil lawsuit is, and why the fear that the evil Obama- Holder biumverate might initiate one against Zimmerman is absurd bordering on impossible.

it seems like a stretch, to say the least.

but holder's disastrous time in office only invites this kind of talk. it's utterly amazing that the man still has a job to go to every day.
 
it seems like a stretch, to say the least.

but holder's disastrous time in office only invites this kind of talk. it's utterly amazing that the man still has a job to go to every day.
you oughta know that this, in itself, isn't conclusive in any way.

Unless you're now saying it is.
 
you oughta know that this, in itself, isn't conclusive in any way.

Unless you're now saying it is.

i wasn't making a conclusive assertion.

do you dispute that holder has had a shit run as AG? if so, i'd love to hear your argument.
 
No, there is no "federal civil lawsuit" being brought against Zimmerman. Nor would a civil lawsuit brought by anybody have anything to do with double-jeopardy. Nor does Vetteman understand what a civil lawsuit is, and why the fear that the evil Obama- Holder biumverate might initiate one against Zimmerman is absurd bordering on impossible.

STFU, COONCOWARDCHOW
 
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Fuck you, you stupid asshole. I said a Federal civil rights prosecution was a way around the double jeopardy clause, not a civil lawsuit. Learn how to fucking read you incompetent fuck.. It's very likely those parents will bring a civil suit if Zimmerman is acquitted.
You can call me whatever you'd like if it makes you feel better about being uninformed. But you have to admit it's strange that someone who dislikes being shown to be wrong as much as you do, wouldn't instead just use the time to find out what's right.

It's almost like you don't want to know.
 
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Fuck you, you stupid asshole. I said a Federal civil rights prosecution was a way around the double jeopardy clause, not a civil lawsuit. Learn how to fucking read you incompetent fuck.. It's very likely those parents will bring a civil suit if Zimmerman is acquitted.

Why would they wait to file? They didn't wait to file against the HOA.
 
i wasn't making a conclusive assertion.

do you dispute that holder has had a shit run as AG? if so, i'd love to hear your argument.
Why are we talking about Holder? Wouldn't it make more sense to talk about Zimmerman?

Is there a connection between the two in your mind?
 
Why are we talking about Holder? Wouldn't it make more sense to talk about Zimmerman?

Is there a connection between the two in your mind?

i don't know anything about zimmerman, and i don't care about him.

the convo turned to holder, so i called you out on your snark, and asked you your thoughts about his term as AG. no biggie if you don't have an opinion.
 
i don't know anything about zimmerman, and i don't care about him.

the convo turned to holder, so i called you out on your snark, and asked you your thoughts about his term as AG. no biggie if you don't have an opinion.
You may wish to re-cast it that way now, but in fact you were talking specifically about Zimmerman when I came in. You were denying that his past had anything to do with his present, and you were asking if there was a civil suit against him.

Vetteman brought Holder up. You were talking about Zimmerman. If you'd rather not now, that's fine. But attempting to rewrite and make it about someone else's snark and your own heroic response to it, instead of your own fear or preference, is the Vetteman way out.

Never go full Vetteman.
 
Di Maio is shredding the prosecution. What if...just what if...race aside, Zimmerman is in fact telling the truth?
 
That's what I was thinking. This thread seems to have taken two tacks; one is the legal aspect, and the other is the racial aspect.
That's the strange part of this case. The way we find out if a killer's story is the correct one in this country--if someone is disputing it--is to have them tell it in front of a bunch of theoretically impartial people and see if it holds up. Being asked to do that is not an act of persecution, it's the very baseline application of our system.

To suggest that Zimmerman being put on trial for killing someone he admits killing is somehow a grave miscarriage of justice and PC-run-amok, is very, very odd.

It suggests there's something else involved for those doing the suggesting.
 
That's what I was thinking. This thread seems to have taken two tacks; one is the legal aspect, and the other is the racial aspect.

Legally there is very little to suggest that Zimmerman is not telling the truth. In fact, it seems the abundance of evidence suggest he is.

Unfortunately that is not enough for some. Racism drives this case equally from both sides.
 
Legally there is very little to suggest that Zimmerman is not telling the truth. In fact, it seems the abundance of evidence suggest he is.

Unfortunately that is not enough for some. Racism drives this case equally from both sides.
Another one going full Vetteman.

A day ago you couldn't call Martin a racist often enough. Today "Golly, gee, some people can't seem to get past race."

Dumb. Just cop to your position.
 
You may wish to re-cast it that way now, but in fact you were talking specifically about Zimmerman when I came in. You were denying that his past had anything to do with his present, and you were asking if there was a civil suit against him.

Vetteman brought Holder up. You were talking about Zimmerman. If you'd rather not now, that's fine. But attempting to rewrite and make it about someone else's snark and your own heroic response to it, instead of your own fear or preference, is the Vetteman way out.

Never go full Vetteman.

ha, that was about zimmerman? even so, my response holds up: simple numbers of calls in themselves don't support a definite conclusion. doesn't matter who made the calls, or what the color of people were. it's circumstantial. the potential for explantory arguments is high.

also i'd go on to say that zimmerman's past is as relevant is martin's past. that sort of character history might be brought up in trial, and it makes for great tv, but it shouldn't matter.

i wouldn't call any of my responses heroic, but thanks for the vote of confidence :)
 
ha, that was about zimmerman? even so, my response holds up: simple numbers of calls in themselves don't support a definite conclusion. doesn't matter who made the calls, or what the color of people were. it's circumstantial. the potential for explantory arguments is high.

also i'd go on to say that zimmerman's past is as relevant is martin's past. that sort of character history might be brought up in trial, and it makes for great tv, but it shouldn't matter.

i wouldn't call any of my responses heroic, but thanks for the vote of confidence :)

Remind me what Martin is on trial for.
 
Another one going full Vetteman.

A day ago you couldn't call Martin a racist often enough. Today "Golly, gee, some people can't seem to get past race."

Dumb. Just cop to your position.

A day ago I made fun of the idiots that wanted to play the race card, as the evidence flipped their position. But holding up a mirror to people that stupid seems to have failed... Much like any logical conversation with you.
 
Legally there is very little to suggest that Zimmerman is not telling the truth. In fact, it seems the abundance of evidence suggest he is.

Unfortunately that is not enough for some. Racism drives this case equally from both sides.

Besides the witnesses who have specifically said that he isn't telling the truth, and him contradicting his own statements I agree with you.
 
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