Misandrists make it illegal to order paternity testing in France.

[badbabysitter]

With regard to abortion - I am of the opinion that both [potential] parents should have equal say. BUT - if a woman decides to keep a baby, despite the mans wishes, then she should not get child support for that child.
On the other hand, once a man accepts that child he should be made to pay support. Even if he changes his mind later.

I don't

I have a personal antecdote to help justify my stance

I know someone, who got knocked up and wanted to have an abortion. The father was strictly pro-life and badgered her untill she consented.

Two years into their marriage, he abandoned her and his child..and 12 years later has still never paid a penny of child support


that's why it should always be the woman's choice wether or not conceive... his responsibility in giving birth ended when he knocked her up

a father should only have to pay child support if the child is his.. if he didnt want to raise the child he should have worn a condom.. just as if she didnt want to have a kid she should have used protection or insisted he wear a condom

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Here's another scenario to consider.
Man and woman are in a monogamous relationship and aren't ready for children. Woman doesn't like the pill for whatever reason so they use condoms. Condom fails, woman falls pregnant. Man freaks out, assumes woman has cheated, demands paternity test. Paternity test proves it is his. Trust is broken, family unit falls apart, another child is damaged.
It's not about duping men, it's about protecting the family unit.

That's no reason to penalize men who have actually been defrauded.

Going by that logic we should end all court trials because lots of defendants come up not guilty.

This is fucking France.. the country has a state religon remember

I am against mandatory testing, as it is a violation of privacy for the alleged father in question

If he should so wish to have a test nothing should stop him, forcing him is not the answer

Yes, if there is a legal proceeding , then it should be court ordered. But to force someone straight out the gate, well, that's just fucked up.

What I find interesting is that in the US, a father can get a paternity test done without the knowledge or consent of the mother or child.

Consent, yeah, it shouldnt be a matter of consent..it's his call, not mom or the kids

but knowledge? that's highly unethical to say the least

I interpret this law as saying the father cannot get paternity testing if the mother doesn't want it. Are you saying he should be allowed to get testing regardless?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I don't

I have a personal antecdote to help justify my stance

I know someone, who got knocked up and wanted to have an abortion. The father was strictly pro-life and badgered her untill she consented.

Two years into their marriage, he abandoned her and his child..and 12 years later has still never paid a penny of child support

Bitch ought to be made to fulfill his child support obligations. Period. I don't know why there's so much confusion over that.

 

[Sean Renaud]

With regard to abortion - I am of the opinion that both [potential] parents should have equal say. BUT - if a woman decides to keep a baby, despite the mans wishes, then she should not get child support for that child.
On the other hand, once a man accepts that child he should be made to pay support. Even if he changes his mind later.
ETA - in Australia, acceptance would be the moment the father signs the birth register.

I can accept this as reasonable middle ground.

Bitch ought to be made to fulfill his child support obligations. Period. I don't know why there's so much confusion over that.

Because in reality it's not really feesible. I mean ultimately what are you gonna do? Put the man in jail and thus pay for his incarceration and then (hopefully) care for the child as well. Some of the decisions we make aren't entirely based on what's right and wrong but what's possible and not.

 

[badbabysitter]

I interpret this law as saying the father cannot get paternity testing if the mother doesn't want it. Are you saying he should be allowed to get testing regardless?

Yes, he should.. but it shouldnt be without knowledge of the mother, that's unethical

He freely should be able to do so without consent


fucking France and Germany.. even the US is behind the times with many aspects of paternity testing

 

[badbabysitter]

Bitch ought to be made to fulfill his child support obligations. Period. I don't know why there's so much confusion over that.

Yes, he should. But that doesnt mean he will. As far as he is concerned he gave up his status as a parent.

And there are lots of loopholes to prevent paying child support.. every nightmare you can give me about a man being screwed over by child support I can give you a dozen of the mother

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Yes, he should. But that doesnt mean he will. As far as he is concerned he gave up his status as a parent.

And there are lots of loopholes to prevent paying child support.. every nightmare you can give me about a man being screwed over by child support I can give you a dozen of the mother

America is far behind where it should be with regards to enforcing child support, much less closing the loopholes for getting out of it. We're also failing to enforce it equitably.

 

[warrior queen]

Yes, he should. But that doesnt mean he will. As far as he is concerned he gave up his status as a parent.

And there are lots of loopholes to prevent paying child support.. every nightmare you can give me about a man being screwed over by child support I can give you a dozen of the mother

I am one of those mothers.
The bastardex was happy enough to be part of his life till age 13 - and then something changed, he threw the kidlet out, and now he's in Chicago with the new wife, no responsibilities, and he tucked away the profits from the sale of the house into her 401K, where it can't be touched.
Meaning he now has no assets and no income. Equals no child support

 

[neci]

this is why lineage should be maternal.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I am one of those mothers.
The bastardex was happy enough to be part of his life till age 13 - and then something changed, he threw the kidlet out, and now he's in Chicago with the new wife, no responsibilities, and he tucked away the profits from the sale of the house into her 401K, where it can't be touched.
Meaning he now has no assets and no income. Equals no child support

Her 401k? I know a little something about that. She could dump him and take her 401K with her. Dumb white nigger would get his just desserts, though nowadays he could try for alimony.

 

[neci]

Dumb white nigger

how do you feel about paula deen?

 

[Sean Renaud]

this is why lineage should be maternal.

Lineage should have been maternal because up until recently it was impossible to know for sure who the father of any child was. You could make an educated guess but there was never any question whoa child popped out of. (Well once you put them in a hospital dozens of identical pink infants. . .still it was more dependable than the alternative.)

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Lineage should have been maternal because up until recently it was impossible to know for sure who the father of any child was. You could make an educated guess but there was never any question whoa child popped out of. (Well once you put them in a hospital dozens of identical pink infants. . .still it was more dependable than the alternative.)

Then in that case you could absolve men of any responsibility to their kids.

You can't just completely strip men of their rights and then give them all the responsibilities. Throughout history many things have been done to get men to stay with their kids. Now you want to roll all that back? You'd be doing less damage to a country if you nuked it from orbit.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

how do you feel about paula deen?

Don't matter what I feel. That wigger is out of business.

 

[badbabysitter]

Then in that case you could absolve men of any responsibility to their kids.

You can't just completely strip men of their rights and then give them all the responsibilities. Throughout history many things have been done to get men to stay with their kids. Now you want to roll all that back? You'd be doing less damage to a country if you nuked it from orbit.

and this is where we begin to see the grey area

if we make paternity tests mandatory.. it becomes a violation of a man's rights to do with his body as he sees fit

but if we make it just voluntary; it potentially creates generations of dead beat dads and lawsuits involving fathers which arent biological parents

France certainly has taken the wrong approach on this, there is no doubt there

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

and this is where we begin to see the grey area

if we make paternity tests mandatory.. it becomes a violation of a man's rights to do with his body as he sees fit

but if we make it just voluntary; it potentially creates generations of dead beat dads and lawsuits involving fathers which arent biological parents

France certainly has taken the wrong approach on this, there is no doubt there

^^^ Summed it up like a boss.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Then in that case you could absolve men of any responsibility to their kids.

You can't just completely strip men of their rights and then give them all the responsibilities. Throughout history many things have been done to get men to stay with their kids. Now you want to roll all that back? You'd be doing less damage to a country if you nuked it from orbit.

First, as usual your mistaking what I/society can do with what they should do. We can absolve both parents of any responsibility and if nature fails to provide oh fucking well. We SHOULDN'T do that but that's different from not being capable of doing something. It's like the difference between you asking can you to the bathroom and may you go to the bathroom. Glad to see you're keeping up.

While I doubt that tracing lineages in a more reliable way (if DNA is important) would cause society to dissolve. That said we don't live in those days any more so tracing lineages is frankly a bit silly in the modern era.

 

[badbabysitter]

^^^ Summed it up like a boss.

the only way to make it work is to make it nominally a voluntary system

the exception to this would be when one parent or other wants to prove the lineage of the child.. then, and only then.. should it be court ordered

there should be no restriction on age of child either

I'm no fan on telling a person what to do with their body.. but it's the only thing that would make sense

 

[renard_ruse]

...I'm not against informed consent. However we both know that this really isn't about informed consent, it's about guys trying to get out of raising a child. I move that any man who wants out isn't worthy of raising a child in the first place and it really shouldn't matter who's DNA it has because he's unfit from the get go...

Didn't read the link, but from the posts I've read so far, this appears to be about a married man being legally required to pay for and raise a child that was conceived via an adulterous affair by his wife or partner. Is that correct? If so, I am absolutely speechless. This is the most bizarre thing I've ever heard. Why don't we randomly pick dudes off the street and assign them as "fathers" to children for whom the mother doesn't know who the bio dad is? In fact, that's not even as bad since the dude wasn't cheated on. I'm hoping I'm misunderstanding something here.

 

[renard_ruse]

the only way to make it work is to make it nominally a voluntary system

the exception to this would be when one parent or other wants to prove the lineage of the child.. then, and only then.. should it be court ordered

there should be no restriction on age of child either

I'm no fan on telling a person what to do with their body.. but it's the only thing that would make sense

Nobody cares what you're a fan of and nobody cares about your view on this or any other issue. Why don't you just go crawl into a hole and die.

 

[badbabysitter]

Nobody cares what you're a fan of and nobody cares about your view on this or any other issue. Why don't you just go crawl into a hole and die.

someones cranky


were you oppressed today?

 

[Sean Renaud]

the only way to make it work is to make it nominally a voluntary system

the exception to this would be when one parent or other wants to prove the lineage of the child.. then, and only then.. should it be court ordered

there should be no restriction on age of child either

I'm no fan on telling a person what to do with their body.. but it's the only thing that would make sense

Your right to controll what happens to your body ends when it becomes a detriment to society.

 

[bronzeage]

Didn't read the link, but from the posts I've read so far, this appears to be about a married man being legally required to pay for and raise a child that was conceived via an adulterous affair by his wife or partner. Is that correct? If so, I am absolutely speechless. This is the most bizarre thing I've ever heard. Why don't we randomly pick dudes off the street and assign them as "fathers" to children for whom the mother doesn't know who the bio dad is? In fact, that's not even as bad since the dude wasn't cheated on. I'm hoping I'm misunderstanding something here.

No, you got it right.

A man has a son. It's born of his wife and he works to clothe and feed it from infancy. The boy grows and recognizes this man as his father and assumes it will always be like that. One day, the man discovers that the son he raised and loved is not the product of his sperm. Now he says, "Get the fuck away from me. You're not my son and take your whore mother with you." What else should a man do?

I hope this clarifies things.

 

[badbabysitter]

Your right to controll what happens to your body ends when it becomes a detriment to society.

that's what the pro-life crowd tells me too

 

[renard_ruse]

No, you got it right.

A man has a son. It's born of his wife and he works to clothe and feed it from infancy. The boy grows and recognizes this man as his father and assumes it will always be like that. One day, the man discovers that the son he raised and loved is not the product of his sperm. Now he says, "Get the fuck away from me. You're not my son and take your whore mother with you." What else should a man do?

I hope this clarifies things.

What age of the child are we talking about? I really don't want to have to waste my time clicking on the link to read the article.