So if Muslims in America started organizing militias...

[Byron In Exile]

What do you mean, "will become"? There's been a list for decades.

O rly?

You know I know that, right? And NFA weapons are still legal to own with a license.

"Will become" refers to weapons that haven't been banned yet.

 

[Byron In Exile]

1) Way too few Democrats support a gun registry.

2) Do you know what a filibuster is?

You think that by 2015 the number of pro-registry legislators will be a filibuster-proof majority? Congress can't even pass a post office bill...

California's Legislature is far more Democrat than Congress, and yet it has a de facto State-wide gun registry database.

How do you suppose that happened?

Background checks.

 

[BotanyBoy]

What do you mean, "will become"? There's been a list for decades.

Only in certain states...it's never been national.

Most states you can own pretty much anything you want short of a WMD if you fill out the right paper work. They are just heavily regulated by the ATF, so guess what? Very few issues with the NFA community, so few the FBI doesn't even keep stats on them....but they aren't banned.

Libs are right regulation works!! Which beg's the question.

If you really are about saving lives and keeping guns out of the wrong hands....why are you so pro prohibition (a repeatedly proven failure even liberals scorn as a solution to every other social issue except "assault rifles" , including machine guns WTF?? I know right??) over regulation?? Which has a far better track record of high effectiveness reaching back the better part of a century on guns WAY the fuck more powerful than any semi auto "Assault" rifle that is STILL WORKING EFFECTIVELY TODAY.

Because you aren't about saving lives or keeping guns out of the wrong hands....all you care about is the partisan pissing contest.

 

[Busybody]

http://coxrare.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/guns_zpse9d5d531-1_zps183ce101.jpg?w=600Dems love guns. No, really. Stop laughing.

 

[RobDownSouth]

California's Legislature is far more Democrat than Congress, and yet it has a de facto State-wide gun registry database.

How do you suppose that happened?

Background checks.

and has the sky fallen, Chicken Little?

 

[kbate]

1) Way too few Democrats support a gun registry.

2) Do you know what a filibuster is?


You think that by 2015 the number of pro-registry legislators will be a filibuster-proof majority? Congress can't even pass a post office bill...

There's a wasted post. . .

 

[Byron In Exile]

Only in certain states...it's never been national.

Pretty sure he's talking about the NFA list.

Libs are right regulation works!! Which beg's the question.

It works for uncommon weapons like machine guns and grenades.

But for that you have to be fingerprinted and go through something like a low-level security clearance check to get a license, and pay a $200/year tax on each item.

That might be practical for a few thousand guns/devices, but not for 300 million guns.

If you really are about saving lives and keeping guns out of the wrong hands....why are you so pro prohibition ... over regulation??

How would "regulation" (I assume that means NFA-style fingerprinting/license/annual tax) keep guns "out of the wrong hands"?

Criminals won't give a rip.

 

[Byron In Exile]

and has the sky fallen, Chicken Little?

No... one can always move to another State.

 

[mercury14]

There's a wasted post. . .

Ah, you finally found a good sig line.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Pretty sure he's talking about the NFA list.

It works for uncommon weapons like machine guns and grenades.

But for that you have to be fingerprinted and go through something like a low-level security clearance check to get a license, and pay a $200/year tax on each item.

That might be practical for a few thousand guns/devices, but not for 300 million guns.

How would "regulation" (I assume that means NFA-style fingerprinting/license/annual tax) keep guns "out of the wrong hands"?

Criminals won't give a rip.

I think it would work for all guns....

Last I checked the 200 dollar tax was a one time tax...not a reoccurring one.

There are millions of NFA item owners.

And I don't agree with the taxing beyond the cost to run that paper work circus...but licencing? Fuckin' right..look at the rate of incidents with CCW/CHL holders...very very low. And I think the training requirements to get a licence should be like way the fuck more extensive than any of the current training curriculum's required.

How? Real simple...you have a licence and a whole load of guns that fall under the endorsements of your licence...no problems.

No licence? In possession of guns you haven't met the requirements to receive an endorsement to legally posses?? You lose your shit and go to jail.

Real clear line for both LEO/Prosecutors and civilians and lots of CYA for both too....play by the rules and you're untouchable, have all the guns your bank account/licence can afford you and everything is cool. But if you get caught playing fuck fuck games then the Popo/DA nail your ass to the wall.

The idea of a licencing system also opens the way for unilateral gun laws. You have a licence? Those carry/possession laws are the same for all 50 states....think of the benefits and perks of not having to worry about having to sell off/trade your collection or fuck around with any of the thousands of weird bull shit laws that make interstate travel/relocation as a gun owner/carrier a total pain in the fuckin' dick. That would be nice eh?

 

[mercury14]

I keep wondering why a requirement to know how to use a gun isn't part of the debate. Kind of like how knowing how to use a car is part of the requirement to drive it. People who use guns (or store them) without knowing what they're doing are a risk to themselves and others, not sure why nobody is making that case.

 

[Adre]

Gun owners are now a minority, 34% or so. As the percentage drops even lower there's a good chance some common sense oversight will start to gain traction and become a reality.

 

[koalabear]

I keep wondering why a requirement to know how to use a gun isn't part of the debate. Kind of like how knowing how to use a car is part of the requirement to drive it. People who use guns (or store them) without knowing what they're doing are a risk to themselves and others, not sure why nobody is making that case.

That's why there are no automobile accidents.

 

[mercury14]

That's why there are no automobile accidents.

It's why teenagers don't drive down the sidewalk and legally blind elderly people don't run you over when you're checking the mailbox.

 

[koalabear]

It's why teenagers don't drive down the sidewalk and legally blind elderly people don't run you over when you're checking the mailbox.

They just run over you while texting.

 

[Dream59]

They already have

They just call them cells.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I keep wondering why a requirement to know how to use a gun isn't part of the debate. Kind of like how knowing how to use a car is part of the requirement to drive it. People who use guns (or store them) without knowing what they're doing are a risk to themselves and others, not sure why nobody is making that case.

100% agree...not only would it be good for the person seeking to become a gun owner/carrier but it would be a big warm fuzzy for the public at large if us law abiding gun owners were all carrying a licence with some legitimate training behind it.

win win all over the place with training and regulation over prohibition...

Gun owners are now a minority, 34% or so. As the percentage drops even lower there's a good chance some common sense oversight will start to gain traction and become a reality.

Well as soon as the fuckin' morons in DC start acting like elected officials and generate some of that instead of coming up with the most asinine bullshit they can think of in order to perpetuate their partisan pissing contest...I would agree.

But that has yet to be seen.....

 

[koalabear]

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2013/0429/20130429__native_american_billboard_gun_rights_colorado~p1.jpg

 

[phrodeau]

I think it would work for all guns....

Last I checked the 200 dollar tax was a one time tax...not a reoccurring one.

There are millions of NFA item owners.

And I don't agree with the taxing beyond the cost to run that paper work circus...but licencing? Fuckin' right..look at the rate of incidents with CCW/CHL holders...very very low. And I think the training requirements to get a licence should be like way the fuck more extensive than any of the current training curriculum's required.

How? Real simple...you have a licence and a whole load of guns that fall under the endorsements of your licence...no problems.

No licence? In possession of guns you haven't met the requirements to receive an endorsement to legally posses?? You lose your shit and go to jail.

Real clear line for both LEO/Prosecutors and civilians and lots of CYA for both too....play by the rules and you're untouchable, have all the guns your bank account/licence can afford you and everything is cool. But if you get caught playing fuck fuck games then the Popo/DA nail your ass to the wall.

The idea of a licencing system also opens the way for unilateral gun laws. You have a licence? Those carry/possession laws are the same for all 50 states....think of the benefits and perks of not having to worry about having to sell off/trade your collection or fuck around with any of the thousands of weird bull shit laws that make interstate travel/relocation as a gun owner/carrier a total pain in the fuckin' dick. That would be nice eh?

Now you're starting to get it.

Millions of NFA weapon owners, duly licensed and registered. How many of them have had their guns taken away without cause by government goons?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/130429-gun-indian-billboard-936p.photoblog600.jpg

Billboard Exploits Native American History to Sell Pro-Gun Message

Residents of Greeley, Colorado, say they are outraged over two billboards displaying a historic photo of Native Americans in an effort to make an implicit pro-gun point.

"Turn in your arms; the government will take care of you," read the words above and below a photo of three Native Americans, one of whom is holding a rifle.

Denver-based Lamar Advertising, which owns the ad space, says the group that purchased the signs wishes to remain anonymous.

"I think it's a little bit extreme, of course, but I think people are really worried about their gun rights and what liberties are going to be taken away," Lamar Advertising rep Matt Wells told the Greeley Tribune.

"I thought it was pretty cowardly that someone would put something like that up and spend the money for a billboard but didn't have the courage to put their name on it," said Greeley resident Maureen Brucker, an honorary member of the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, who added that the billboard brings to mind the infamous Wounded Knee Massacre, which took place at Pine Ridge.

"It wasn't just about our guns," notes Irene Vernon, a Native American who chairs the ethnic studies department at Colorado State University.

Still, despite the outcry over cultural insensitivity and historical revisionism, some still support the tactic.

"Where can we send a check to support more?" asked Rocky Mountain Gun Owners executive director Dudley Brown.

http://gawker.com/billboard-exploits-native-american-history-to-sell-pro-486105840

 

[LadyVer]

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/130429-gun-indian-billboard-936p.photoblog600.jpg

Billboard Exploits Native American History to Sell Pro-Gun Message

Residents of Greeley, Colorado, say they are outraged over two billboards displaying a historic photo of Native Americans in an effort to make an implicit pro-gun point.

"Turn in your arms; the government will take care of you," read the words above and below a photo of three Native Americans, one of whom is holding a rifle.

Denver-based Lamar Advertising, which owns the ad space, says the group that purchased the signs wishes to remain anonymous.

"I think it's a little bit extreme, of course, but I think people are really worried about their gun rights and what liberties are going to be taken away," Lamar Advertising rep Matt Wells told the Greeley Tribune.

"I thought it was pretty cowardly that someone would put something like that up and spend the money for a billboard but didn't have the courage to put their name on it," said Greeley resident Maureen Brucker, an honorary member of the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, who added that the billboard brings to mind the infamous Wounded Knee Massacre, which took place at Pine Ridge.

"It wasn't just about our guns," notes Irene Vernon, a Native American who chairs the ethnic studies department at Colorado State University.

Still, despite the outcry over cultural insensitivity and historical revisionism, some still support the tactic.

"Where can we send a check to support more?" asked Rocky Mountain Gun Owners executive director Dudley Brown.

http://gawker.com/billboard-exploits-native-american-history-to-sell-pro-486105840

Nothing like using the people your nation conquered to prove the righteousness of your own self-indulgent cause. What hypocritical crap. (Just to clarify, I'm referring to the stupid billboard.)

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I keep wondering why a requirement to know how to use a gun isn't part of the debate. Kind of like how knowing how to use a car is part of the requirement to drive it. People who use guns (or store them) without knowing what they're doing are a risk to themselves and others, not sure why nobody is making that case.

Because the 2nd Amendment guarantees the right to own firearms. Cars aren't mentioned in the Constitution.

 

[koalabear]

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/130429-gun-indian-billboard-936p.photoblog600.jpg

Billboard Exploits Native American History to Sell Pro-Gun Message

Residents of Greeley, Colorado, say they are outraged over two billboards displaying a historic photo of Native Americans in an effort to make an implicit pro-gun point.

"Turn in your arms; the government will take care of you," read the words above and below a photo of three Native Americans, one of whom is holding a rifle.

Denver-based Lamar Advertising, which owns the ad space, says the group that purchased the signs wishes to remain anonymous.

"I think it's a little bit extreme, of course, but I think people are really worried about their gun rights and what liberties are going to be taken away," Lamar Advertising rep Matt Wells told the Greeley Tribune.

"I thought it was pretty cowardly that someone would put something like that up and spend the money for a billboard but didn't have the courage to put their name on it," said Greeley resident Maureen Brucker, an honorary member of the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, who added that the billboard brings to mind the infamous Wounded Knee Massacre, which took place at Pine Ridge.

"It wasn't just about our guns," notes Irene Vernon, a Native American who chairs the ethnic studies department at Colorado State University.

Still, despite the outcry over cultural insensitivity and historical revisionism, some still support the tactic.

"Where can we send a check to support more?" asked Rocky Mountain Gun Owners executive director Dudley Brown.

http://gawker.com/billboard-exploits-native-american-history-to-sell-pro-486105840

Poserslob can't stand the truth.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Nothing like using the people your nation conquered to prove the righteousness of your own self-indulgent cause. What hypocritical crap. (Just to clarify, I'm referring to the stupid billboard.)

"Hypocritical crap" is an integral part of the American right.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Now you're starting to get it.

Millions of NFA weapon owners, duly licensed and registered. How many of them have had their guns taken away without cause by government goons?

Starting too? I have been saying that's what we should do since day one you fucking dumb ass....you're the one who support's Prohibition.

Tell me again phrodeau...

Why is machine gun ok but an Ar15 just too dangerous it needs to be banned???

See...you and your gun control advocate buddies are ignorant morons.

Nothing like using the people your nation conquered to prove the righteousness of your own self-indulgent cause. What hypocritical crap. (Just to clarify, I'm referring to the stupid billboard.)

Why is that hypocritical crap?

Because it point's out exactly what we did to them and rubs it in peoples faces???

We took their weapons under agreement/treaty to protect them... then we slaughtered them wholesale and took 99.999% of their shit anyhow. That's a fucking fact...not hypocrisy. That bill board is spot the fuck on.

http://www.badassoftheweek.com/jackson2.gif = http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/att/images/stories/hitler.jpg only diff between the two is ours killed more, won and thus got to write the history books as a hero.....the german guy failed and was labeled the bad guy. History is all perspective...