How much do small details get to you?

[slyc_willie]

Actually I have to give my fans of SWB credit. They took what I wrote down to heart and I got many suggestions saying "It would be great iof they adopted a child who was troubled like they were and gave them the life they never had" So they adapted to my "mythos"

I screwed one up myself when I started the chapter with the girl wearing black panties. Later on her and her brother had sex in front of someone (who did not know they were sibs) and when she bent over I wanted the guy to see she had soaked through her panties.

I realized that effect wouldn't happen with black and changed them to pink. I went back and thought I caught all the "black" but then received a comment that said, "Great chapter and a hot scene. Now tell me where I can get those color changing panties!"

It happens, and there were a couple of otehr remarks, but all in a joking fashion. I gave them a good laugh in a way. But I was pissed at myself big time."

One of my stories here has a woman driving a VW Bug in the beginning, but when she comes back later it's a Mercedes. In the original idea for the story, I had wanted to make her an "everywoman," thus the economy-priced car. But then I decided to make her rich, and changed the car. I thought I had gone back and changed the VWs to Mercedes, but obviously I didn't. There were at least half a dozen comments once the story went up about my mistake.

I could have submitted an edited version, but what's the point? There were already a good twenty or so comments on it which would have been wiped out, I think. Besides, I actually found the whole episode funny.

 

[slyc_willie]

You never had an instance where clothing mysteriously disappeared and got out of the way?

I know I have.

Wait, are we talking about real life, or stories?

 

[damppanties]

You never had an instance where clothing mysteriously disappeared and got out of the way?

I know I have.

Wait, are we talking about real life, or stories?

Ah. Sadly, no.

 

[SecondCircle]

Damn, I almost made it through a thread involving constructive discussion without a Pilot and LC face off.

For the record I didn't get the impression that he was looking for a pat on the back.

And as far as confidence goes, I don't remember signing anything when working with an editor that stated he/she could not discuss my stories on the forum. While it may be ill advised, it isn't like LC dropped the author's name, or even the story title. And I noticed that plenty of people were content to comment on the story for several pages until someone made them realize it was "breaking confidence." Who cares? Editors (or not) ain't shrinks people, they can talk shit about my stories all they want on the forums.

 

[sr71plt]

Damn, I almost made it through a thread involving constructive discussion without a Pilot and LC face off.

For the record I didn't get the impression that he was looking for a pat on the back.

And as far as confidence goes, I don't remember signing anything when working with an editor that stated he/she could not discuss my stories on the forum. While it may be ill advised, it isn't like LC dropped the author's name, or even the story title. And I noticed that plenty of people were content to comment on the story for several pages until someone made them realize it was "breaking confidence." Who cares? Editors (or not) ain't shrinks people, they can talk shit about my stories all they want on the forums.

Ah, you brought it back onto the thread the next day after it had died out because you perhaps enjoy keeping it going? (Why, yes, my guess that's your reason.) I think we all know you're part of the LC fan club.

 

[SecondCircle]

As for the topic at hand, details can really hurt a story if they are inaccurate details or if they are inconsistent details.

Inaccurate details like the virginity stuff mentioned in the OP ruin stories for me if they are major, and extremely detrimental if they are minor. Like James mentioned, write what you know, or at least do some research first.

Inconsistent details are going to occur. These are things that are only spotted by the human eye, and once and a while, both authors and editors are going to miss this. I am guilty of this I know, as well as a few editors of my work. I've had to do the old "trace and replace" dance, and it's not fun.

Then there are details that are left out in fiction or fantasy, like the most notable "not using a condom" deal. Authors leave these details out because they don't hurt a story as much as one might think.

Think of these ghost details as a "second or third refrigerator." Sure, having a second/third fridge is nice, and sometimes you may very well need one, but honestly it isn't necessary. It is a luxury.

If we were to write entirely "accurate" we would be writing down every single little thing that our characters do, when usually no one gives a shit because it isn't relevant to the main idea of the story.

I'm sorry but I don't want to read about a character brushing their teeth before bed because it's "realistic," nor brushing their hair, nor putting the car in park before shutting off the engine before taking off their seatbelt before getting out of the car.... ugh. I'm just going to assume they did this shit because I have an understanding of how stuff works, and it's what I would do.

The condoms? Would you really want every character in every erotic story to pause to put on a condom before sex? Not only would this take me out of the moment and throw me back into the reality I'm trying to escape, but it's a bit redundant and unnecessary to be told of this stuff in a story.

Think of the last sexual fantasy you had. Doesn't matter who it was with or what happened. Did you make sure to use a condom in your fantasy? Were you safe? Did you worry about pregnancy? Or if you put the car in park before turning it of before opening the door?

In erotica we write fantasy, in one form or another. If it adds to the theme of the story, or you simply don't want fantasy babies, put a condom on your man. If not, leave this second refrigerator out of my story. We all want to be swept away into a masterpiece of lust and sexual adventure, where our naughty dreams come to life.

Leave the condoms and babies for the real world, where we gotta deal with em every day. There's a difference between suspending disbelief and suspending fantasy.

 

[SecondCircle]

Ah, you brought it back onto the thread the next day after it had died out because you perhaps enjoy keeping it going? (Why, yes, my guess that's your reason.) I think we all know you're part of the LC fan club.

I think I kinda enjoy watching you guys slug it out usually, because you both make very good points, and I like to see the truer "nasty" sides of people come out. But it does get tiring to see you guys make a mountain out of every tiny molehill when it pertains to one another.

As far as fanclubs, I like to think I'm in the "Bullshit" fanclub, where sometimes we talk out our asses and other times we call others out for their fecal spewing.

I wasn't on the forums yesterday. I was reading it today, and was pretty interested in the discussion until the battle ensued again. No offense but I happened to see it was you that had to resurrect the "me, me, me" debate.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I used my first condom in a story today. Momma makes daddy wear them after she fucks her lover, doesnt want daddy pissing in the punch.

 

[slyc_willie]

The condoms? Would you really want every character in every erotic story to pause to put on a condom before sex? Not only would this take me out of the moment and throw me back into the reality I'm trying to escape, but it's a bit redundant and unnecessary to be told of this stuff in a story.

I used my first condom in a story today. Momma makes daddy wear them after she fucks her lover, doesnt want daddy pissing in the punch.

I've had characters (well, a character) use condoms in a story, but it was a somewhat realistic tale of a call girl. Had I not incorporated the use of condoms, it would have detracted from the story in my opinion. I didn't go into too much detail about the men she sleeps with rolling the damn thing on, and by a certain point in the story it was simply understood. Otherwise, the rest of my stories all involve unprotected sex.

 

[carlieplum]

Leave the condoms and babies for the real world, where we gotta deal with em every day. There's a difference between suspending disbelief and suspending fantasy.

Ever heard of pregnancy fetish?

 

[lovecraft68]

As for the topic at hand, details can really hurt a story if they are inaccurate details or if they are inconsistent details.

Inaccurate details like the virginity stuff mentioned in the OP ruin stories for me if they are major, and extremely detrimental if they are minor. Like James mentioned, write what you know, or at least do some research first.

Inconsistent details are going to occur. These are things that are only spotted by the human eye, and once and a while, both authors and editors are going to miss this. I am guilty of this I know, as well as a few editors of my work. I've had to do the old "trace and replace" dance, and it's not fun.

Then there are details that are left out in fiction or fantasy, like the most notable "not using a condom" deal. Authors leave these details out because they don't hurt a story as much as one might think.

Think of these ghost details as a "second or third refrigerator." Sure, having a second/third fridge is nice, and sometimes you may very well need one, but honestly it isn't necessary. It is a luxury.

If we were to write entirely "accurate" we would be writing down every single little thing that our characters do, when usually no one gives a shit because it isn't relevant to the main idea of the story.

I'm sorry but I don't want to read about a character brushing their teeth before bed because it's "realistic," nor brushing their hair, nor putting the car in park before shutting off the engine before taking off their seatbelt before getting out of the car.... ugh. I'm just going to assume they did this shit because I have an understanding of how stuff works, and it's what I would do.

The condoms? Would you really want every character in every erotic story to pause to put on a condom before sex? Not only would this take me out of the moment and throw me back into the reality I'm trying to escape, but it's a bit redundant and unnecessary to be told of this stuff in a story.

Think of the last sexual fantasy you had. Doesn't matter who it was with or what happened. Did you make sure to use a condom in your fantasy? Were you safe? Did you worry about pregnancy? Or if you put the car in park before turning it of before opening the door?

In erotica we write fantasy, in one form or another. If it adds to the theme of the story, or you simply don't want fantasy babies, put a condom on your man. If not, leave this second refrigerator out of my story. We all want to be swept away into a masterpiece of lust and sexual adventure, where our naughty dreams come to life.

Leave the condoms and babies for the real world, where we gotta deal with em every day. There's a difference between suspending disbelief and suspending fantasy.

Lot of good points. On the "every little thing" like she shut the care off, she put it ion park, she opened the door, You're right. Unless something happens that's important while she is doing these menial things they can be assumed.

There is a article in the how to section called, "How to make a cup of tea" or making a cup of tea, I forget which, but it discusses that type of scenario.

Yes condoms are reality and "bareback" is part of the fantasy aspect of erotica.

Something someone pointed out to me in one of my stories was when I had a woman take a cock that had been in her ass directly into her mouth was how unsanitary it was and unhealthy and you shouldn't do that.....

The next comment was along the lines of "Dude, its porn"

I think we can safely assume everyone knows that is not safe and most know that when they do that in x-rated movies they are editing out the wiping off and other mundane actions.

Because what gets me is someone will read a story about soem professional uptight business woman suddenly deciding she wants to fuck six of her husbands friends in every way imaginable, but its the condom that is what is "wrong " with the story?

 

[SecondCircle]

Ever heard of pregnancy fetish?

We are speaking generally here. Of course there are certain stories or genres or fetishes where things like this are necessary to describe. But as said before, this makes it relevant to the overall idea of the story, therefore it's a supporting detail.

But we don't necessarily need to put condoms in every single story in every single genre, especially since it just isn't relevant to what the story is about.

Details, even small ones at times, have to either support what is happening in the story or help the overall flow of the story. And yes they should be accurate, as much as believably possibly

 

[SecondCircle]

Not too long ago, I posted a story in the feedback forum for opinions. I received a lot of good input, but most notably from PennLady. She writes in a different genre but still my story an honest look over. All of her points were very valid and helpful.

One point in particular that she made was about one of my protagonists. The girl had just taken a shower, and though the scene picked up sometime after the shower, I did describe her hair "hanging in strings" or something to that effect. PennLady pointed out that any woman would have at least run a comb through her hair or something. I mused that perhaps she didn't feel like it or maybe she did something to her hair in the bathroom, and that it wasn't entirely relevant.

I think we were both right. It wasn't necessarily an inaccurate detail, because I've seem my wife prepare for bed (as in the story) and just do a quick towel dry and let her hair just sorta do it's thing naturally. But it wasn't entirely accurate either, for I am, after all, a guy and we overlook these sort of things. My protagonist (being the type to worry with her appearance) probably should have run a comb through her hair. Wasn't a real important detail as pertained to the story, but still something I consider nowadays when I write.

-sigh- I really have to shorten my posts. I tend to ramble. Nevertheless, an example of small details and how they might impact readers. And thanks again to PennLady for the honest feedback. She slammed the gavel on other things as well, and it was helpful.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Lot of good points. On the "every little thing" like she shut the care off, she put it ion park, she opened the door, You're right. Unless something happens that's important while she is doing these menial things they can be assumed.

There is a article in the how to section called, "How to make a cup of tea" or making a cup of tea, I forget which, but it discusses that type of scenario.

Yes condoms are reality and "bareback" is part of the fantasy aspect of erotica.

Something someone pointed out to me in one of my stories was when I had a woman take a cock that had been in her ass directly into her mouth was how unsanitary it was and unhealthy and you shouldn't do that.....

The next comment was along the lines of "Dude, its porn"

I think we can safely assume everyone knows that is not safe and most know that when they do that in x-rated movies they are editing out the wiping off and other mundane actions.

Because what gets me is someone will read a story about soem professional uptight business woman suddenly deciding she wants to fuck six of her husbands friends in every way imaginable, but its the condom that is what is "wrong " with the story?

I must be the only person in the history of earth have a tongue up his ass.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Lot of good points. On the "every little thing" like she shut the care off, she put it ion park, she opened the door, You're right. Unless something happens that's important while she is doing these menial things they can be assumed.

There is a article in the how to section called, "How to make a cup of tea" or making a cup of tea, I forget which, but it discusses that type of scenario.

Yes condoms are reality and "bareback" is part of the fantasy aspect of erotica.

Something someone pointed out to me in one of my stories was when I had a woman take a cock that had been in her ass directly into her mouth was how unsanitary it was and unhealthy and you shouldn't do that.....

The next comment was along the lines of "Dude, its porn"

I think we can safely assume everyone knows that is not safe and most know that when they do that in x-rated movies they are editing out the wiping off and other mundane actions.

Because what gets me is someone will read a story about soem professional uptight business woman suddenly deciding she wants to fuck six of her husbands friends in every way imaginable, but its the condom that is what is "wrong " with the story?

Lovey? Can we talk? LIT readers are the same people who vote on American Idol. High popularity scores oughta embarrass the crap outta LIT writers.

 

[sr71plt]

I think I kinda enjoy watching you guys slug it out usually,

I kinda think you do too--and then that you like playing superior by egging it on and fueling it.

 

[slyc_willie]

Lovey? Can we talk? LIT readers are the same people who vote on American Idol. High popularity scores oughta embarrass the crap outta LIT writers.

That most of my Hs are on the fluff stories and not on what I think is my best stuff is a good example of that.

 

[sr71plt]

That most of my Hs are on the fluff stories and not on what I think is my best stuff is a good example of that.

I think that my stories that don't have happy endings and always receive the "where is the rest of this story?" comment are good examples of that too.

 

[slyc_willie]

I think that my stories that don't have happy endings and always receive the "where is the rest of this story?" comment are good examples of that too.

Oh, gawd, I always hate the "there needs to be a part two" comments. If there's going to be a part two, I'll write it and post it.

Usually. I just remembered I have an unfinished series here.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

That most of my Hs are on the fluff stories and not on what I think is my best stuff is a good example of that.

Sure, its to be expected. Folks arent artsy fartsy New Yorker critics. They want the Brady Bunch of sex, and Laurel wouldnt allow Romeo & Juliet here in a 1000 years....or Lolita....or East of Eden.

 

[slyc_willie]

Sure, its to be expected. Folks arent artsy fartsy New Yorker critics. They want the Brady Bunch of sex, and Laurel wouldnt allow Romeo & Juliet here in a 1000 years....or Lolita....or East of Eden.

Not that anyone would write a story like that for an erotic fiction site without concentrating on the very factors that deny them here.

 

[sr71plt]

Oh, gawd, I always hate the "there needs to be a part two" comments. If there's going to be a part two, I'll write it and post it.

Usually. I just remembered I have an unfinished series here.

These only partially irritate me. When I get that comment, my mind immediately starts spinning "what ifs" on expansions. Most of the time this results in "it is finished, dammit." It occasionally, though, leads to a fuller e-book.

 

[lovecraft68]

That most of my Hs are on the fluff stories and not on what I think is my best stuff is a good example of that.

Exactly. MY darker more serious work gets a fraction fo the votes my goofy stuff does.

Today I released a gem entitled

"My Mother's a Porn Star"

Yeah, with a title like that you know there will be a red H attached to that fine piece of literature.

 

[lovecraft68]

Lovey? Can we talk? LIT readers are the same people who vote on American Idol. High popularity scores oughta embarrass the crap outta LIT writers.

Fluff over talent, yup.

 

[lovecraft68]

I guess proof that details are not noticed all the time is a comment I received today.

I submitted my first story of the year and in my opening note commented that time flies and here it is March and I am just submitting my first story of 2013.

I then received a comment saying "wow, congrats on your first story!"

So I wonder if they click and see I have quite a few if they will think I was lying or actually go back and reread the note.