Iud

[chocolatecookie3]

I don't mean to say you *will* change your mind about kids. I just think you might. It's perfectly ok to live as a single person and do lots of cool things. It's your body, do what you want with it and find a doctor who will respect that.

I love my cute baby pictures, though. Just sayin

 

[Stella_Omega]

I always wonder what kind of language would deter people from giving advice like "you might change your mind."

Saying "I have nightmares that I have to kill the baby" doesn't give them a clue?

So disrespectful!

 

[KeithD]

I wonder about asking such advice on an Internet board to begin with.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I wonder about asking such advice on an Internet board to begin with.

She didn't ask for advice at all, see.

 

[DappleDoxie]

You have my sympathy.

Why????

I am much older than this poster, Child Free By Choice ... and nary a regret. Knew from age 12 I didn't want rug rats. Not all of us are cut out to be parents.
As to B/C?? My husband chose a Vasectomy over putting excess hormones in my temperamental system, or foreign objects, or subjecting me to an invasive procedure.

Y'all can haul out all the baby pics you want ... I have as many of the Doxies I'll make you look at in turn

 

[Domesticity]

From what I understand, if you have a history of heavy periods, the IUD (not mirena, which has progestin and causes lighter, or no, periods) can cause them to be even heavier. I've also read of a few people w paraguard who have struggled with recurrent bacterial vaginosis after getting it.

Personally, since you can't find a doctor who will tie your tubes, I'd go w the paraguard before I'd do the Mirena. The synthetic progesterone is wicked stuff and I believe contributed to a lot of my hormonal issues.

I'd also call around and see if you can find a doctor who WILL perform the surgery if that's what you really want to do. While your friend had a vasectomy at 26 with no questions asked, there is a huge difference between the prefrontal cortex of a 19 year old and a 26 year old. Rather than assuming the doctors are being sexist, they may just be being ageist and feel that your brain doesn't have the capacity to fully grasp your decision at your age. You may be able to find a doctor who realizes that brain development is important but some people really know what they want for life; even at 19.

Hell, I went through fertility treatments to GET pregnant and there are days I fully admit I'm a shitty mom that day AND I look around and think, "holy shit, is this it?". While tubal ligation shouldn't be entered into lightly, neither should parenthood, yet you don't see doctors lecturing pregnant 19 year olds.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

Why????

I am much older than this poster, Child Free By Choice ... and nary a regret. Knew from age 12 I didn't want rug rats. Not all of us are cut out to be parents.
As to B/C?? My husband chose a Vasectomy over putting excess hormones in my temperamental system, or foreign objects, or subjecting me to an invasive procedure.

Y'all can haul out all the baby pics you want ... I have as many of the Doxies I'll make you look at in turn

Thanks

From what I understand, if you have a history of heavy periods, the IUD (not mirena, which has progestin and causes lighter, or no, periods) can cause them to be even heavier. I've also read of a few people w paraguard who have struggled with recurrent bacterial vaginosis after getting it.

Personally, since you can't find a doctor who will tie your tubes, I'd go w the paraguard before I'd do the Mirena. The synthetic progesterone is wicked stuff and I believe contributed to a lot of my hormonal issues.

I'd also call around and see if you can find a doctor who WILL perform the surgery if that's what you really want to do. While your friend had a vasectomy at 26 with no questions asked, there is a huge difference between the prefrontal cortex of a 19 year old and a 26 year old. Rather than assuming the doctors are being sexist, they may just be being ageist and feel that your brain doesn't have the capacity to fully grasp your decision at your age. You may be able to find a doctor who realizes that brain development is important but some people really know what they want for life; even at 19.

Hell, I went through fertility treatments to GET pregnant and there are days I fully admit I'm a shitty mom that day AND I look around and think, "holy shit, is this it?". While tubal ligation shouldn't be entered into lightly, neither should parenthood, yet you don't see doctors lecturing pregnant 19 year olds.

That's my feeling. I don't think I'll change my mind, but I can (grudgingly) understand why a doctor wouldn't want to give me a tubal ligation at my age.

Sooooo...

Paragard IUD, and maybe they'll listen to me when I'm 29

 

[Porkwarrior]

My wife had the Paragard and not Mirena (Paragard is the copper one right? Goes by a different trade name in Canada, but it was the copper IUD) and she had a boatload of complications from it.
Either the IUD, or just her vag normally, changed Ph to abnormal levels which really did a number on the copper alloy, it literally started to rust, which not only gave her horrible & recurring infections but also inflamed her pelvis to the point of not only being life threatening if she did get pregnant but shot her odds of cancer through the roof.

It was also a brutal procedure to remove the device, requiring full on surgery. As an added bonus it had shifted at some point which rendered the device moot, so basically it has poisoned her pussy for nothing, and her OB had only done a superficial check to see if it was still there, not if it was in the right position.

All in all she had a fun time, and when she had it removed early I was snipped since my opinion of ankle biters isn't too far from yours and my wife would positively need an abortion if she did get pregnant. IUD's are something she councils her younger family members against now, especially seeing as their are a lot more alternatives floating around than there were when she first started using them.



BTW -- Just as aside, she's also Italian and went through the martyr'd Noona speeches...but they dried up as soon as the nieces & nephew's started firing ankle biters out of their baby cannon's. She also loved one of the first episodes of House M.D. when a nun had a cross show up on her xray, and it turned out to be her IUD from a previous very unnunlike life.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Show of hands?
How many want now what they wanted when they were 5? or 12? or 30? or 50?

My 17 year old self obsessed about being a head shrinker, my 40 year old self hated being a head shrinker. My 18 year old self hated being a mechanic, my 60 year old self is soooooooooo glad it happened.

Things change. Change is the only constant.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Both head shrinkers and car mechanics fix stuff. Your problem with psyche was that you wanted stuff to stay fixed and not talk back.

Basically, you always wanted to be a car mechanic.


The basics of my personality were fixed by the time I was seven years old. I knew what I wanted to do as a career, even if I wasn't sure what path would get me there. I still know. Every thing I have ever done in my life has always been variations of what I am and do.

 

[colddiesel]

She didn't ask for advice at all, see.

Bollocks.

If she didn't want advice she wouldn't have posted. Her first post was a cry for help. Penn Lady and JBJ have made sense, the rest of you particularly, the moron, Lovecraft are all talking about yourselves.

Any doctor approached on this issue will council against a permanent procedure because he/she knows they will be on the pointy end of a lawsuit if the woman changes her mind.

Small point. Adult minds are not fully developed until about age 24 or so . How old are you Cruel?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Bollocks.

If she didn't want advice she wouldn't have posted. Her first post was a cry for help....

Waow....

What kind of help do you think she was crying for?

 

[Cruel2BKind]

My wife had the Paragard and not Mirena (Paragard is the copper one right? Goes by a different trade name in Canada, but it was the copper IUD) and she had a boatload of complications from it.
Either the IUD, or just her vag normally, changed Ph to abnormal levels which really did a number on the copper alloy, it literally started to rust, which not only gave her horrible & recurring infections but also inflamed her pelvis to the point of not only being life threatening if she did get pregnant but shot her odds of cancer through the roof.

It was also a brutal procedure to remove the device, requiring full on surgery. As an added bonus it had shifted at some point which rendered the device moot, so basically it has poisoned her pussy for nothing, and her OB had only done a superficial check to see if it was still there, not if it was in the right position.

All in all she had a fun time, and when she had it removed early I was snipped since my opinion of ankle biters isn't too far from yours and my wife would positively need an abortion if she did get pregnant. IUD's are something she councils her younger family members against now, especially seeing as their are a lot more alternatives floating around than there were when she first started using them.



BTW -- Just as aside, she's also Italian and went through the martyr'd Noona speeches...but they dried up as soon as the nieces & nephew's started firing ankle biters out of their baby cannon's. She also loved one of the first episodes of House M.D. when a nun had a cross show up on her xray, and it turned out to be her IUD from a previous very unnunlike life.

Yikes. I just have to hope that I don't have any problems with copper.

Bollocks.

If she didn't want advice she wouldn't have posted. Her first post was a cry for help. Penn Lady and JBJ have made sense, the rest of you particularly, the moron, Lovecraft are all talking about yourselves.

Any doctor approached on this issue will council against a permanent procedure because he/she knows they will be on the pointy end of a lawsuit if the woman changes her mind.

Small point. Adult minds are not fully developed until about age 24 or so . How old are you Cruel?

Nineteen.

I've said it (and I'll say it again) I understand why a doctor would not want to give me a tubal ligation.

It just makes me angry when people keep telling me I'll change my mind. Like this is just some phase I'm going through. That eventually I'll realize my true calling, and that my life's worth is directly tied to my crotch-dumplings.

I hate that.

 

[lovecraft68]

Yikes. I just have to hope that I don't have any problems with copper.



Nineteen.

I've said it (and I'll say it again) I understand why a doctor would not want to give me a tubal ligation.

It just makes me angry when people keep telling me I'll change my mind. Like this is just some phase I'm going through. That eventually I'll realize my true calling, and that my life's worth is directly tied to my crotch-dumplings.

I hate that.

Odds are you will not change your mind.

But understand that there will always be people who think there is something wrong with you because you do not want to spout out little "cruels' and spend the rest of your life sacrificing your tine/effort and money to support someone else.

End of the day this is a pro life discussion before there is a life to discuss. Its better your way them to let it get to the other way.

YOur body, your choice and your friends family and especially the people here who don;t agree ccan go fuck themselves. They don;t have to deal with an unwanted child, you would have to.

Keep going until you find a doctor that will do it.

and for your original question?

What spurred me to get clipped when I did was my wife tried the IUD and had serious side effects with it.

she'd had issues with the pill then that gave her a problem so here we were married and having to look at using condoms because neither one of us wanted kids (well in my case more)

I guess she should have become ill or ended up dealing with abortion according to some.

according to others like her stone age 50's handbook mother and aunts and uncles she should have done her duty and had a child for them not her.

And yes, I have told them all to go fuck themselves on the topic.

It is not nor ever was their choice.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Both head shrinkers and car mechanics fix stuff. Your problem with psyche was that you wanted stuff to stay fixed and not talk back.

Basically, you always wanted to be a car mechanic.


The basics of my personality were fixed by the time I was seven years old. I knew what I wanted to do as a career, even if I wasn't sure what path would get me there. I still know. Every thing I have ever done in my life has always been variations of what I am and do.

I dont dispute what you say about you.

Cars dont stay fixed. I dont stay fixed. I think psychotherapy is supposed to increase your options with new tools in your kit. AND add some awareness of yourself. Many years of psychotherapy didnt do shit to my demons, all it did was make them less ghostly. But that helps. And when they wanna do posts to the AH I shew them away.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Yikes. I just have to hope that I don't have any problems with copper.



Nineteen.

I've said it (and I'll say it again) I understand why a doctor would not want to give me a tubal ligation.

It just makes me angry when people keep telling me I'll change my mind. Like this is just some phase I'm going through. That eventually I'll realize my true calling, and that my life's worth is directly tied to my crotch-dumplings.

I hate that.

None of us wanna make you angry, I'd choose your money over your anger if I wanted something from you. But IRL people change they minds all the time, and us whom you hate assume youre human, too. Jeez Louise! Half of America is divorced.

 

[PennLady]

Waow....

What kind of help do you think she was crying for?

I don't think she was crying for help, but she was clearly asking about other women's experiences in using an IUD. I immediately took the thread on a tangent, for which I apologize, and tried to bring it back on topic, at least a little.

Nineteen.

I've said it (and I'll say it again) I understand why a doctor would not want to give me a tubal ligation.

It just makes me angry when people keep telling me I'll change my mind. Like this is just some phase I'm going through. That eventually I'll realize my true calling, and that my life's worth is directly tied to my crotch-dumplings.

I hate that.

I don't know that you'll change your mind, it sounds like you won't, and that's fine. But you might, and undoing a ligation or doing IVF isn't necessarily as easy as it sounds. It sounds like given your options right now you're making a good choice.

I also think you're being a little harsh on those who say you may change your mind. Yes, some are being knee-jerk about it, and some may not be giving your feelings full due. But others are just thinking that hey, you might, and it doesn't mean they think your worth is tied directly to having kids.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

Sorry if I'm taking it out on you guys a little. I'm having some trouble with the real world.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Sorry if I'm taking it out on you guys a little. I'm having some trouble with the real world.

We care about you otherwise we wouldnt risk your wrath.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Sorry if I'm taking it out on you guys a little. I'm having some trouble with the real world.

** Offers Cruel2BKind a Dark Side brownie **

Try one... They're yummy!

We also don't have ANY birth control issues over on this side and we can make the real world seem a little less extreme! ::wink::

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

** Offers Cruel2BKind a Dark Side brownie **

Try one... They're yummy!

We also don't have ANY birth control issues over on this side and we can make the real world seem a little less extreme! ::wink::

Thats cuz your team is so fugging ugly.

When the two next door come out to play I am always stunned at just how goddamn ugly lesbians are. Frankly! I dont get how youse can stomach such ugly females.

One of the pair from next door looked like Pee Wee Herman when she washed up on the island. Same ethiopian body and short hair. Now she looks like Chubby (Lil Rascals) with a Marine Recruit shaved head.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

** Offers Cruel2BKind a Dark Side brownie **

Try one... They're yummy!

We also don't have ANY birth control issues over on this side and we can make the real world seem a little less extreme! ::wink::

Thanks for the brownie.

 

[Stella_Omega]

None of us wanna make you angry, I'd choose your money over your anger if I wanted something from you. But IRL people change they minds all the time, and us whom you hate assume youre human, too. Jeez Louise! Half of America is divorced.

There is a distinct difference between "I hate that (thing that I hear) and "I hate you." You missed that.

And I have a feeling that "assume you're human" means "assume you're the same person as 'we' (meaning you yourself) are."

And when people say "We care about you or we wouldn't say that" and what they say is so obviously useless and off the subject, I know for a fact that they are really saying; "I just have to impose myself on your life."

 

[Safe_Bet]

There is a distinct difference between "I hate that (thing that I hear) and "I hate you." You missed that.

And I have a feeling that "assume you're human" means "assume you're the same person as 'we' (meaning you yourself) are."

And when people say "We care about you or we wouldn't say that" and what they say is so obviously useless and off the subject, I know for a fact that they are really saying; "I just have to impose myself on your life."

Have a brownie, Stella. Jimmy ain't worth the wasted pixels.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

There is a distinct difference between "I hate that (thing that I hear) and "I hate you." You missed that.

And I have a feeling that "assume you're human" means "assume you're the same person as 'we' (meaning you yourself) are."

And when people say "We care about you or we wouldn't say that" and what they say is so obviously useless and off the subject, I know for a fact that they are really saying; "I just have to impose myself on your life."

STELLA? You always target the shitty end of the stick, but thats what makes you so special. I suspect you and PILOT are twins.