But A_J, we're not Socialists...

[Adre]

Newt Gingrich just stated that Obama has delivered the largest permanent tax cut in history. Is that what socialists do, or is Gingrich lying?

 

[mercury14]

Newt Gingrich just stated that Obama has delivered the largest permanent tax cut in history. Is that what socialists do, or is Gingrich lying?

They choose to filter out facts like that. It's all about the fantasy bro.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Newt Gingrich just stated that Obama has delivered the largest permanent tax cut in history. Is that what socialists do, or is Gingrich lying?

You mean the Bush Tax Cuts? The current rates that DID NOT FUCKING CHANGE???

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They're so cute when they try to be clever...

How will we fund the government?

 

[PoppingTom]

Are We All Europeans Now?

I hope so.

 

[Adre]

You mean the Bush Tax Cuts? The current rates that DID NOT FUCKING CHANGE???

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They're so cute when they try to be clever...

How will we fund the government?

They were never permanent until right now, professor

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Let’s start with no spending cuts. The spending sequester was thrown out the window. And I have zero confidence that much if any of it will be restored in the next couple of months. The well-publicized ratio of 41-to-1 — tax hikes over spending cuts — is deplorable.

We’ll see during the upcoming debt-ceiling battle whether Congress, including the Republicans, has a real appetite to cut spending. There will be talk about shutting down the government, and even worse talk of a debt default. But right now it’s hard to expect any consensus on real entitlement reform and spending restraint that would limit the federal share of the economy to 20 percent, which is where it belongs.

And that brings me back to the tax problem. The president is going to want another $600 billion or $700 billion in tax hikes. The recent bill already curbs high-end exemptions and deductions. But get ready — more is on the way from Team Obama. More deduction caps. Maybe a value-added tax. Maybe a carbon tax. Or maybe they just keep taxing the rich.

And don’t forget the Obamacare tax hikes, which are estimated to be roughly $1 trillion over the next ten years. That includes a 3.8 percent surtax on investment income above $250,000 per family, a 0.9 percent hike in the Medicare payroll tax (also a $250,000 threshold), a 2.3 percent medical-device tax, new caps on flexible health accounts, and an Obamacare haircut for medical itemized deductions.

In rough terms, when you add the Obamacare tax hikes on successful investors, earners, and small-business owners to the new fiscal-cliff bill, you’re looking at a roughly 12 percent decline of incentive rewards from lower profitability and less take-home pay.

Of course this is anti-growth. Of course this will reduce the long-term growth potential of the U.S. economy. And of course the added revenues will be spent, bloating the budget and reducing the economy’s potential to grow.

It’s a European economic model. And it’s the exact reverse of supply-side economics. You can’t tax your way into prosperity or a balanced budget. The economic pie grows smaller. Government grows bigger. Redistribution and government dependency grow more powerful and pervasive.

And make no mistake about this: Economic growth is the key to reducing the spending, deficit, and debt share of the economy. Specifically, grow the GDP denominator with real personal and corporate tax-rate reform and reduce the demand for government dependency. That’s the solution to our problem. A 20 percent spending rule would cure the problem even faster.

Unfortunately, we’re going in the wrong direction right now.

Larry Kudlow, NRO

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

They were never permanent until right now, professor

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Did he give us anything that we did not have before jackass?​

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I hope so.

We get that you want the rest of the world brought down to your level.

 

[Adre]

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Did he give us anything that we did not have before jackass?​

Permanence. Jackass.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Plus a permanent tax increase...




We, the little people, are paying more thanks to the permanent Obama tax "cuts" the Mr. Newt (so recently villified by ya'll) has lavished so much high praise upon in your opinion...

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What part of getting fucked don't you get???

 

[mercury14]

Plus a permanent tax increase...




We, the little people, are paying more thanks to the permanent Obama tax "cuts" the Mr. Newt (so recently villified by ya'll) has lavished so much high praise upon in your opinion...

What part of getting fucked don't you get???

The Bush tax cuts were made permanent on 99.4% of America, meaning taxes are still far lower than just about any time in the past 60 years. Now the sunset clause has been removed from the Bush tax cuts. Yes clearly that means we've gone over to a high-tax socialist society.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

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"He knows he cannot defend it.
"That is why he's lashing out in impotent rage."
Vincent 'Vinnie' Antonelli

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

They become apt to take because they wish to spend and cannot do this easily; for their possessions soon run short. Thus they are forced to provide means from some other source. At the same time, because they care nothing for honor, they take recklessly and from any source.
Aristotle

"The state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else. ... there is only one remedy: time. People have to learn, through hard experience, the enormous disadvantage there is in plundering one another."
Frédéric Bastiat

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it."
Frédéric Bastiat

 

[Adre]

Another Gump thread full of dead peoples' ideas. Ho hum.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Any advocate of socialistic measures is looked upon as the friend of the Good, the Noble, and the Moral, as a disinterested pioneer of necessary reforms, in short, as a man who unselfishly serves his own people and all humanity, and above all as a zealous and courageous seeker after truth. But let anyone measure Socialism by the standards of scientific reasoning, and he at once becomes a champion of the evil principle, a mercenary serving the egotistical interests of a class, a menace to the welfare of the community, an ignoramus outside the pale. For the most curious thing about this way of thinking is that it regards the question of whether Socialism or Capitalism will better serve the public welfare, as settled in advance -- to the effect, naturally, that Socialism is considered good and Capitalism as evil -- whereas in fact of course only by a scientific inquiry could the matter be decided. The results of economic investigations are met, not with arguments, but with …"moral pathos" …and on which Socialists and (Statists) always fall back, because they find no answer to the criticism to which science subjects their doctrines.
Ludwig von Mises

The dead have seen you before Adre...

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... you are condemned to repeat the follies of Socialism. Enjoy...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Did the Obama " permanent tax cuts" in fact raise all of our taxes?



This mode has, in such cases, vastly the advantage of elections by the people in their collective capacity, where the activity of party zeal, taking the advantage of the supineness, the ignorance, and the hopes and fears of the unwary and interested, often places men in office by the votes of a small proportion of the electors.
Jay Federalist 64.

 

[mercury14]

Another Gump thread full of dead peoples' ideas. Ho hum.

... that he's busy cross-posting in two threads.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Socialism requires enemies, rich white guys (who are not Democrats), Republicans, Tea "Baggers," even Jews...



When they can no longer explain their failures on the purged internal enemies, they look for external enemies.

All of this is necessary background to understand what is today beyond understanding: Why would the Obama administration want to borrow trouble over the Falklands?

While we join with others in praying for her speedy recovery, we nonetheless must point out Sec. Hillary Clinton's earlier dangerous statements. She needlessly referred to the Falklands by their Argentine name -- las Malvinas.

President Obama went further, in a way. He referred to the Falklands as "The Maldives." Wrong island group. Wrong hemisphere. And nobody's talking about invading the Maldives... yet.

But Argentina's embattled president, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, is reacting to the economic turmoil in her country the same way the military junta did thirty years ago.
President Kirchner is saber rattling again, writing directly to British Prime Minister David Cameron to demand "talks" to settle the question of sovereignty over "las Malvinas." Argentina's economy is in perpetual crisis, exacerbated by the demagogic policies pursued by Kirchner. She is the latest in a succession of disciples of the late dictators Juan and Evita Peron.

Mr. Obama's State Department spokeswoman, Victoria Nuland, further muddied the clear waters by saying the U.S. would remain "neutral" pending a referendum by Falkland Islanders later this spring. The 1,200 Falklanders have made their allegiance known -- over and over again -- since 1833. Why even tempt the Argentines to invade prior to the referendum?

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/01/the_falklands_borrowing_trouble.html#ixzz2H0mt0XhC

That is why the Soviet Union was so fixated on the US (and why Islam is so fixated on Israel).

 

[mercury14]

Did the Obama " permanent tax cuts" in fact raise all of our taxes?



This mode has, in such cases, vastly the advantage of elections by the people in their collective capacity, where the activity of party zeal, taking the advantage of the supineness, the ignorance, and the hopes and fears of the unwary and interested, often places men in office by the votes of a small proportion of the electors.
Jay Federalist 64.

When Obama raises taxes, you whine.

When Obama cuts taxes, you whine.

When Obama leaves taxes in place, you whine.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

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Jenn14 spends most of his day in dedicated
battle with his "enemies" of the State!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

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He knows he's on IGNORE!

 

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[4est_4est_Gump]

According to KO and crew it simply can't exist anywhere.

Over in the other thread, merc just defined Social Justice, and it was Capitalism, the first true Liberalism, so he really does not understand how he uses Social Justice as a Progressive ideal. Makes me wonder if that compartmentalization is the same vehicle by which he cannot recognize Socialism.

What a maroon...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

A_J's corollary #3, “The New Age Liberal maintains contradictory positions comfortably compartmentalized. (This is because the New Age Liberal is a creature that believes in consensus as a short-cut to an examination of the facts and a reasoned judgment about said facts. Corollary #2.)”

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

A_J's corollary #2, “The New Age Liberal prefers the truthiness of expert-driven consensus to a personal examination of the facts and the application of reason.”