I have access to firearms

[BotanyBoy]

You exercise your right to bear arms by making threats with them? Is that a part of responsible gun ownership now?

It's not a threat...it's an observation of the very real and undisputed fact that an unarmed population will ALWAYS be subject to an armed one.

 

[PoppingTom]

It's not a threat...it's an observation of the very real and undisputed fact that an unarmed population will ALWAYS be subject to an armed one.

You're right.

The thing is: we got an army for that kind.

 

[contrifan32]

No I don't agree with you. Like most democracies in this world.
I understand that YOU must be armed, because you're not livin in a democracy.

Correct! We live in a Constitutional Republic.

 

[PoppingTom]

Correct! We live in a Constitutional Republic.

Pity for you.

China is a republic, too.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You're right.

The thing is: we got an army for that kind.

Hows that work out when your army/police are the ones doing the subjugating? Answer: not very well....

http://www.scientificpsychic.com/etc/jeff/german-occupation.jpg

Which is why we hold the right for the citizenry to arm themselves second only to their right to say what's on their mind.

 

[PoppingTom]

Hows that work out when your army/police are the ones doing the subjugating? Answer: not very well....

And how are weapons change the thing?

Ask your indians.

 

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[contrifan32]

Pity for you.

China is a republic, too.

"A Constitutional Republic has some similarities to democracy in that it uses democratic processes to elect representatives and pass new laws, etc. The critical difference lies in the fact that a Constitutional Republic has a Constitution that limits the powers of the government. It also spells out how the government is structured, creating checks on its power and balancing power between the different branches."

Just thing of all the millions of human lives and untold suffering that would have been spared if your country was a Constitutional Republic.

 

[PoppingTom]

And the reds running it are calling for the disarming of the USA:

http://www.infowars.com/communist-chinese-government-calls-for-americans-to-be-disarmed/

OK, now I get that.....US of A is China with guns.....

 

[contrifan32]

And how are weapons change the thing?

Ask your indians.

You mean Native Americas... if you want to be a bleeding heart... you need to get with the proper lingo

 

[PoppingTom]

"A Constitutional Republic has some similarities to democracy in that it uses democratic processes to elect representatives and pass new laws, etc. The critical difference lies in the fact that a Constitutional Republic has a Constitution that limits the powers of the government. It also spells out how the government is structured, creating checks on its power and balancing power between the different branches."

Just thing of all the millions of human lives and untold suffering that would have been spared if your country was a Constitutional Republic.

You better read the facts about my country: We ARE a constitutional, federal republic.

And this is a form of democracy.

What you deny is a direct democracy. Switzerland got one.

 

[Exquisition]

Bosnia most recently....

Bosnia? Former Yugoslavia (Serbia, Croatia, Hertzegovina, Monte Negro), the wider Balkans, a hot bed of trouble for centuries where two major world religions clash?

What has that got to do with an unarmed populace in a stable Westernised Democracy being taken over by a dictator in a coup because the populace was unarmed?

Bosnia? C'mon. That's the worst example you could have pulled out of the hat.

we can go all the way back to Vlad the Impaler or Emperor Nero if you want...

Well yes, but it's irrelevant to the argument - we're talking post industrialised, WASP democracies a la the USA.

How many complete fucking prick Kings has England had? A dozen? Two?

And now you;re right off topic and arguing against yourself. Our armed forces are answerable to the monarchy alone. That is why we are not a Republic. And wtf has the monarchy (divine right of kings) got to do with the risk of a coup d'etat now?

*Shakes head*

 

[Exquisition]

And the reds running it are calling for the disarming of the USA:

http://www.infowars.com/communist-chinese-government-calls-for-americans-to-be-disarmed/

V, you are a relic of Macarthism. Commies. You sound so last century.

Calling for the disarming of the USA? Sources?

I feel a wolverine yowl coming on.

 

[PoppingTom]

Mussolini...sure the EU is real proud of that asshole....

Are you proud of My Lai, asshole?

Stop pretending to discuss, group your abuses in one post! Let it go, let it out.

So given proper checks/training your would see no problem with certified people have as many of whatever guns they were certified to own on a free and open basis (Anyone who meets all requirements. aka "Shall issue basis") right? Because that's what I have been advocating all along over a "Assault weapons ban" b/c bans don't work...they REALLY don't work in Murikuh...

Once again education/regulation...it's simply better than prohibition.

Bans working, if they're single bans.

As Tony already mentioned, you already HAD an assault rifle ban under Clinton. It just wasn't renewed in 2004.

 

[BotanyBoy]

And how are weapons change the thing?

Ask your indians.

They were the method by which this nation was founded when a bunch of Virginia farm boys whipped the greatest military in the worlds ass.

Bosnia? Former Yugoslavia (Serbia, Croatia, Hertzegovina, Monte Negro), the wider Balkans, a hot bed of trouble for centuries where two major world religions clash?

What has that got to do with an unarmed populace in a stable Westernised Democracy being taken over by a dictator in a coup because the populace was unarmed?

Bosnia? C'mon. That's the worst example you could have pulled out of the hat.

Ohh ok well since it doesn't fit the specific narrative you set forth we will just excuse that genocide that the whole of "civilized" eu stood by and watched with their dicks in their hands until the US showed up and regulated

Well yes, but it's irrelevant to the argument - we're talking post industrialised, WASP democracies a la the USA.

OHHH can you tell me why/how a modern industrialized nation is impervious to the possibility of criminal if not downright evil leadership coming to power unlike every other form of government?

And now you;re right off topic and arguing against yourself. Our armed forces are answerable to the monarchy alone.

Which explains so much of your wretched history of persecuting whomever the monarchy finds deplorable, the exact reason the US came to existence. Remember...Monarchs can and have been assholes before!! What's to stop another one from commanding that same military right up the peoples ass's? or did you forget....that's what I thought.

That is why we are not a Republic. And wtf has the monarchy (divine right of kings) got to do with the risk of a coup d'etat now?

*Shakes head*

We were not discussing the risk assessment of a coup d'etat were we? We were discussing the historical tendency for governments to commit crimes against humanity when given to much power over their citizenry.

Are you proud of My Lai, asshole?

Did I say I was? YOU are the one running around with your nose in the air for no reason, and to top it off you bring an orange to an apple fight my friend...war crimes are not the same as wide scale state sponsored murder of it's own citizenry, what don't you get about that?

But if you want to use a war crime cool...if US soldiers commit all these war crimes, and they have. How on earth could you possibly support them being the only ones able to defend themselves?

I asked it 100 times before and I'll ask it it again....would you entrust the US gov with your safety/well being? Bet the farm you won't give a straight answer because it fly's right in the fucking face of your argument to trust the government.
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Bans working, if they're single bans.

As Tony already mentioned, you already HAD an assault rifle ban under Clinton. It just wasn't renewed in 2004.

And it effected our gun crime rate ZERO....Columbine, happened under that ban along with tens of thousands of gun murders. You know why? Because 99% of gun homicides are NOT committed with assault rifles....you fucking nimrod.

All that aside that was not the question.....another among many you REFUSE to answer with anything but avocation of bans

Bans working, if they're single bans.

over education/regulation which tells me you in fact full of shit.

 

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[PoppingTom]

Did I say I was?

Did any European here saying, he was proud of Mussolini?




Can you do anything else but abuse those who don't share your opinion, American asshole?

 

[Exquisition]

I just gave you the source, you lazy clown.

So you think Communism is a good thing now that a little time has gone by since they killed 100,000 of our people and threatened world peace for 50 years? Go back to sleep.

killed 100,00 of your men?

Context, details, please. This should be interesting.

You know who got your lot's lil panties in a twist over Communism?

Yup, Macarthy. And look what happened to that clown when his bluff was called.

After three largely undistinguished years in the Senate, McCarthy rose suddenly to national fame in February 1950 when he asserted in a speech that he had a list of "members of the Communist Party and members of a spy ring" who were employed in the State Department. McCarthy was never able to prove his sensational charge.

In the meantime he had half the country figured out as Commies, ruined the careers of numerous media, policiticians, army personnel, in fact, anyone who was prominent enough to hit his radar screen.

After the guy's life ended miserably you might have hoped that sanity had prevailed but what he had done was set in motion the paroxysm of fear brigades in the US which underpinned US foreign policy for the next 25 years - anti communist mandate.

So don't blame the Communists for you guys meddling in World affairs and losing cannon fodder in Vietnam and Korea.

 

[Exquisition]

I just gave you the source, you lazy clown.

So you think Communism is a good thing now that a little time has gone by since they killed 100,000 of our people and threatened world peace for 50 years? Go back to sleep.

How do you get to "So you think Communism is a good thing now that a little time has gone." From me calling your view out as Bull?

If someone disagrees with your extreme right wing point of view doesn't automatically make them a Communist.

Buy a clue.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Are you proud of My Lai, asshole?

Stop pretending to discuss, group your abuses in one post! Let it go, let it out.

No American is proud of that.

One of the men involved said, "It was like some Nazi shit."

 

[Byron In Exile]

Did any European here saying, he was proud of Mussolini?

Can you do anything else but abuse those who don't share your opinion, American asshole?

And yet your post is not deleted.

You see how valuable Freedom of Speech is?

Peter Carsten would have sent that to the trash.

 

[PoppingTom]

No American is proud of that.

One of the men involved said, "It was like some Nazi shit."

You are talking for yourself, Byron, not for that asshole botanyboy.

Recognize for one time in your life that "Europe is proud of Mussolini" is like "America is proud of My Lai".

Don't defend an asshole like that.

 

[PoppingTom]

And yet your post is not deleted.

You see how valuable Freedom of Speech is?

Peter Carsten would have sent that to the trash.

You're right.

(...despite the fact that the GB is the "Papierkorb" of English Lit, and the rest of Lit works nearly the same way, but I think PC exaggerates the case....)

 

[BotanyBoy]

Did any European here saying, he was proud of Mussolini?

No but I do hear them denying the possibility of it ever happening again in an attempt to convince me the people should trust the US gov implicitly with their well being.

Can you do anything else but abuse those who don't share your opinion, American asshole?

I'm just pointing out my reasons on why I think the US population should stay armed. Not my fault you get so butt hurt when it's pointed out to you that your precious statist mindset is exactly what led to a long list of the most horrific tragedies to strike our species.


http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb393/cjwagner1/gifs/1311875540_delta_force_chuck_norris__deal_with_it.gif

 

[PoppingTom]

No but I do hear them denying the possibility of it ever happening again in an attempt to convince me the people should trust the US gov implicitly with their well being.

Bullshit.

This is what you WANT to hear. Nobody said that, but you want that so much, you IMAGINE somebody said that.


You believe your fucking own lies, and insult other people only because of nothing else but your own prejudice.

You're nothing but an asshole.