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[Tryharder62]

and Julybaby - should you follow the word of God when he says "An eye for an eye"

or do you prefer to "turn the other cheek?"

Both the word of God, both just as valid.

I think it has to do with Jesus. Jesus says you have heard an "eye for an eye" but I say "turn the other cheek." A lot of the conflicts people bring up are between the Old Testement and New Testement. Jesus did bring about new things. There is no doubt about it. We don't have to exact the punishment. Jesus took it all. Just my thoughts on how I handle it. I turn the other cheek and let God handle the rest.

 

[Exquisition]

A lot of the conflicts people bring up are between the Old Testement and New Testement.

Are you saying there is conflict in the word of God?

Sure sounds like it to me.

 

[cjh]

Are you saying there is conflict in the word of God?

Sure sounds like it to me.

It's the new covenant.

Undoubtedly there are lots of conflicts in the Bible. That, however, doesn't seem to me to be one unless you're saying Jesus conflicts with the Bible; if so, you're probably better served by being Jewish.

I'm just always amazed by the fact that so many Christians prefer lex talonis.

 

[TonyClifton]

It's the new covenant.

I like the X-Rated version starring Shy Love.

http://up.xhamster.com/000/024/488/516_1000.jpg

 

[Exquisition]

It's the new covenant.

Undoubtedly there are lots of conflicts in the Bible. That, however, doesn't seem to me to be one unless you're saying Jesus conflicts with the Bible; if so, you're probably better served by being Jewish.

I'm just always amazed by the fact that so many Christians prefer lex talonis.

Is the Bible the word of God in its entirety?

 

[cjh]

I like the X-Rated version starring Shy Love.

http://up.xhamster.com/000/024/488/516_1000.jpg

I think that is from the Song of Solomon.

Old school.

 

[julybaby04]

Yup but we evolved, the Earth is more thna 6500 years old and the Bible is full of untruths, mistranslations and interpreted in a gazillion ways by the individual and branches of Christianity.

You might say "so what? I believe!" That's great, good luck to you, but what is it you believe in? How do you know your interpretation is the "one true interpretation?"

Seems like it could be a gazillion different things depending on how you want to interpret the superstitions of people living 2000 years ago.

It is called faith. Just as Mormons believe what they believe....Muslims...those who believe in Buddha...etc.

I believe Jesus when He says that there is only one way to God....through Him.

 

[TonyClifton]

Praise the Lord for sexy Nuns...

http://up.xhamster.com/000/024/576/529_1000.jpg

She says, "I have the devil in me tonight. How about performing an exorcism?"

 

[cjh]

Is the Bible the word of God in its entirety?

I'm an atheist. You'll have to pose that question of someone else.

If you buy into the premise of a new covenant, though, the inconsistency between an eye for an eye and turn the other cheek makes sense. God renegotiated the terms of his agreement with his followers; so?

 

[julybaby04]

and Julybaby - should you follow the word of God when he says "An eye for an eye"

or do you prefer to "turn the other cheek?"

Both the word of God, both just as valid.

“Eye for eye, tooth for tooth” was spoken by God as a figurative command in the Old Testament (Exodus 21:24, Leviticus 24:20; Deuteronomy 19:21) and was never intended to be taken literally. Instead it means is that secular justice is to be equitable, neither excessively harsh nor excessively lenient. In this connection there is no reference in Scripture to the maiming of a Hebrew in conformance with “eye for eye, tooth for tooth.” Also, before God first spoke this, He established a judicial system to hear claims and determine penalties (Exodus 18:13-26), and that system would not have been necessary if simple “eye for eye” retribution were proper and adequate. Moreover, most actual claims and harms in the Old Testament, except those requiring capital punishment, were settled by payment in goods.

The three times in the Old Testament where the phrase, "An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth," is mentioned all relate to a civil situation, something occurring within a duly constituted authority: a judge, a magistrate, etc. "An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth," is not a statement that is in any way related to personal relationships. However, that's precisely what the Pharisees had done with it. They took a divine principle for the courts, and they made it a matter of daily vendettas.

http://www.gotquestions.org/eye-for-an-eye.html

 

[TonyClifton]

Praise the Lord for sexy Nuns...

http://up.xhamster.com/000/024/576/529_1000.jpg

She says, "I have the devil in me tonight. How about performing an exorcism?"

Hey Beavis, this is our chance to score. Let's go to Church Sunday.

"Okay, but where is one?"

http://up.xhamster.com/000/023/014/220_1000.jpg

I don't know either. We can ask that guy at the convenience store.

"That sounds cool. While we are there, I can get a Slurpee."

 

[julybaby04]

If you believe the story of Jesus, Jesus clearly knew that he is God. In John chapter 14, verse 8 we find this:

Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father, and we shall be satisfied." Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father."

So it makes you wonder about Jesus' famous lamenation in Matthew 27:46:
About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Since Jesus is God, what he really must have meant is: "Myself, myself, why have I forsaken me?" Which of course makes absolutely no sense.

It doesn't matter how many things you try to argue against there is always an answer.
You say you have faith, science says you have faith in nothing more than a bedtime story.

There are some critics who suggest that in these three hours of darkness, Christ had a moment of weakness where "as a human" He succumbed under the weight of His terrible suffering. Others surmise that Christ had lost all hope, and that His human soul was unable to fully understand why the father had abandoned Him. But none of this speculation has any sound support in the scriptures. They are all theories that are at odds with the Biblical facts. And this can be easily proven by a myriad of clear passages where Christ foretold His suffering. When we read "the whole" of scripture in context, not concentrating on a few select verses, we can see very quickly that Christ never faltered for one moment, and He knew perfectly well what He had to do and why He had to do it. He knew He had to suffer the wrath of God that He was forsaken and die for the elect. These things were not hid from Him. So these ideas that He was surprised make no sense, considering all that Christ Himself declared of His mission.

God cannot die. Jesus had to be human to be able to die.

Picking and choosing versus is very easy to do to prove a point. Reading the whole chapter, or Book of the Bible will promote understanding.

 

[julybaby04]

It's the new covenant.

Undoubtedly there are lots of conflicts in the Bible. That, however, doesn't seem to me to be one unless you're saying Jesus conflicts with the Bible; if so, you're probably better served by being Jewish.

I'm just always amazed by the fact that so many Christians prefer lex talonis.

Many prefer lex talonis....not just Christians. Understanding there is more than quick judgement and revenge is a more mature response.

 

[Exquisition]

“Eye for eye, tooth for tooth” was spoken by God as a figurative command in the Old Testament (Exodus 21:24, Leviticus 24:20; Deuteronomy 19:21) and was never intended to be taken literally. Instead it means is that secular justice is to be equitable, neither excessively harsh nor excessively lenient. In this connection there is no reference in Scripture to the maiming of a Hebrew in conformance with “eye for eye, tooth for tooth.” Also, before God first spoke this, He established a judicial system to hear claims and determine penalties (Exodus 18:13-26), and that system would not have been necessary if simple “eye for eye” retribution were proper and adequate. Moreover, most actual claims and harms in the Old Testament, except those requiring capital punishment, were settled by payment in goods.

The three times in the Old Testament where the phrase, "An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth," is mentioned all relate to a civil situation, something occurring within a duly constituted authority: a judge, a magistrate, etc. "An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth," is not a statement that is in any way related to personal relationships. However, that's precisely what the Pharisees had done with it. They took a divine principle for the courts, and they made it a matter of daily vendettas.

http://www.gotquestions.org/eye-for-an-eye.html

“Eye for eye, tooth for tooth” was spoken by God as a figurative command in the Old Testament (Exodus 21:24, Leviticus 24:20; Deuteronomy 19:21) and was never intended to be taken literally.

Sorry, but how do you know? Were you there?

Isn't just a relevant for another believer to say this is a clear instruction to do unto others what they do unto you? Isn't that a more precise interpretation?

So, in your interpretation and the one in the link you posted (btw. did you check out the author, their motivation's, what religious axe they have to grind, if they're into Gay & lesbian priests or not etc.) you can find a way to interpret the inconsistency.

Trouble is, unless you can correct me, we've not yet seen God's accompanying Bible interpretation manual that explains all the inconsistencies and contradictions.

To me all of your above post might sound credible but you;re essentially using another mere human's interpretations by way of explanation and the bottom line get out of jail free argument "I have faith!"

 

[TonyClifton]

God, I have always heard that you work in strange ways.

http://up.xhamster.com/000/024/576/528_1000.jpg

I was just wondering though...

Why did you tell me to stick a gold cross up my ass?

 

[phrodeau]

There are some critics who suggest that in these three hours of darkness, Christ had a moment of weakness where "as a human" He succumbed under the weight of His terrible suffering. Others surmise that Christ had lost all hope, and that His human soul was unable to fully understand why the father had abandoned Him. But none of this speculation has any sound support in the scriptures. They are all theories that are at odds with the Biblical facts. And this can be easily proven by a myriad of clear passages where Christ foretold His suffering. When we read "the whole" of scripture in context, not concentrating on a few select verses, we can see very quickly that Christ never faltered for one moment, and He knew perfectly well what He had to do and why He had to do it. He knew He had to suffer the wrath of God that He was forsaken and die for the elect. These things were not hid from Him. So these ideas that He was surprised make no sense, considering all that Christ Himself declared of His mission.

God cannot die. Jesus had to be human to be able to die.

Picking and choosing versus is very easy to do to prove a point. Reading the whole chapter, or Book of the Bible will promote understanding.

When we read the Book of Daniel in context, not concentrating on a few select verses, we can see very quickly that he was a false prophet, since so many of his prophecies have failed to occur.

 

[julybaby04]

“Eye for eye, tooth for tooth” was spoken by God as a figurative command in the Old Testament (Exodus 21:24, Leviticus 24:20; Deuteronomy 19:21) and was never intended to be taken literally.

Sorry, but how do you know? Were you there?

Isn't just a relevant for another believer to say this is a clear instruction to do unto others what they do unto you? Isn't that a more precise interpretation?

So, in your interpretation and the one in the link you posted (btw. did you check out the author, their motivation's, what religious axe they have to grind, if they're into Gay & lesbian priests or not etc.) you can find a way to interpret the inconsistency.

Trouble is, unless you can correct me, we've not yet seen God's accompanying Bible interpretation manual that explains all the inconsistencies and contradictions.

To me all of your above post might sound credible but you;re essentially using another mere human's interpretations by way of explanation and the bottom line get out of jail free argument "I have faith!"

If I share opinion....that is not good enough. If I share my belief, that is not good enough. If I share other's words, that is not good enough.

In essence, you do not believe in God. You are not saved. God means nothing to you....are your opinions and beliefs. I say, that is fine. You are perfectly free to believe what you wish.

I have that same freedom. I believe with every fiber in me that God is the Creator of this universe. I believe I was born into sin. I believe I needed to hear who God was and who His Son, Jesus Christ was to save my soul. My belief in Jesus is not a "bed time story" nor a "myth". It is my life.

I am not trying to "save" you. I would never be that prideful to think I could do such a thing. Jesus says not everyone will believe......but once you have heard who God is, a choice has to be made. If you choose to follow Christ, your eternity will be with Him. If you choose not to, your eternity will be much different.

It is truly that simple. My sharing with you or anyone on this board (or anyone in my life, for that matter) is not some "Im better than you"........It is I care about you and I do not want your eternity to be without God. Words I speak come from the love I feel for every single person I come in contact with and my absolute concern for their soul.

I will never try and save you myself. I do not have that power. I only share who God is.

 

[julybaby04]

When we read the Book of Daniel in context, not concentrating on a few select verses, we can see very quickly that he was a false prophet, since so many of his prophecies have failed to occur.

I do not believe, the last time I checked, that the world has ceased to exist yet. Perhaps the time has not come yet.

 

[julybaby04]

When we read the Book of Daniel in context, not concentrating on a few select verses, we can see very quickly that he was a false prophet, since so many of his prophecies have failed to occur.

Interesting that you, yourself, are fulfilling prophecy.....



Perhaps I should mention that even scoffers of biblical prophecies were also foretold:

1 Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. (2 Peter 3:1-7, NKJV)


http://www.cogwriter.com/news/prophecy/two-prophecies-in-daniel-that-have-come-to-pass/

 

[Oo_Bugsy]

There are some critics who suggest that in these three hours of darkness, Christ had a moment of weakness where "as a human" He succumbed under the weight of His terrible suffering. Others surmise that Christ had lost all hope, and that His human soul was unable to fully understand why the father had abandoned Him. But none of this speculation has any sound support in the scriptures. They are all theories that are at odds with the Biblical facts. And this can be easily proven by a myriad of clear passages where Christ foretold His suffering. When we read "the whole" of scripture in context, not concentrating on a few select verses, we can see very quickly that Christ never faltered for one moment, and He knew perfectly well what He had to do and why He had to do it. He knew He had to suffer the wrath of God that He was forsaken and die for the elect. These things were not hid from Him. So these ideas that He was surprised make no sense, considering all that Christ Himself declared of His mission.

God cannot die. Jesus had to be human to be able to die.

Picking and choosing versus is very easy to do to prove a point. Reading the whole chapter, or Book of the Bible will promote understanding.

Stepping away from Bible passages... For now.


There are literally thousands of religions being practiced today. Here are 20 of the most popular, along with an estimate of the number of followers:

Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
Buddhism: 376 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 15 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 7 million
Jainism: 4.2 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 4 million
Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
Tenrikyo: 2 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
Scientology: 500 thousand
[Source: Encyclopedia Britannica]

If you believe in God, you have chosen to reject Allah, Vishnu, Budda, Waheguru and all of the thousands of other gods that other people worship today. It is quite likely that you rejected these other gods without ever looking into their religions or reading their books. You simply absorbed the dominant faith in your home or in the society you grew up in.

In the same way, the followers of all these other religions have chosen to reject God. You think their gods are imaginary, and they think your God is imaginary.

In other words, each religious person on earth today arbitrarily rejects thousands of gods as imaginary, many of which he/she has never even heard of, and arbitrarily chooses to "believe" in one of them.

The following quote from Stephen F. Roberts sums up the situation very nicely:

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

A rational person rejects all human gods equally, because all of them are equally imaginary. How do we know that they are imaginary? Simply imagine that one of them is real. If one of these thousands of gods were actually real, then his followers would be experiencing real, undeniable benefits. These benefits would be obvious to everyone. The followers of a true god would pray, and their prayers would be answered. The followers of a true god would therefore live longer, have fewer diseases, have lots more money, etc. There would be thousands of statistical markers surrounding the followers of a true god.

Everyone would notice all of these benefits, and they would gravitate toward this true god. And thus, over the course of several centuries, everyone would be aligned on the one true god. All the other false gods would have fallen by the wayside long ago, and there would be only one religion under the one true god.

When we look at our world today, we see nothing like that. There are two billion Christians AND there are more than one billion Muslims, and their religions are mutually exclusive. There are thousands of other religions. When you analyse any of them, they all show a remarkable similarity -- there is zero evidence that any of these gods exist. That is how we know that they are all imaginary.

 

[julybaby04]

Stepping away from Bible passages... For now.


There are literally thousands of religions being practiced today. Here are 20 of the most popular, along with an estimate of the number of followers:

Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
Buddhism: 376 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 15 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 7 million
Jainism: 4.2 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 4 million
Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
Tenrikyo: 2 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
Scientology: 500 thousand
[Source: Encyclopedia Britannica]

If you believe in God, you have chosen to reject Allah, Vishnu, Budda, Waheguru and all of the thousands of other gods that other people worship today. It is quite likely that you rejected these other gods without ever looking into their religions or reading their books. You simply absorbed the dominant faith in your home or in the society you grew up in.

In the same way, the followers of all these other religions have chosen to reject God. You think their gods are imaginary, and they think your God is imaginary.

In other words, each religious person on earth today arbitrarily rejects thousands of gods as imaginary, many of which he/she has never even heard of, and arbitrarily chooses to "believe" in one of them.

The following quote from Stephen F. Roberts sums up the situation very nicely:

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

A rational person rejects all human gods equally, because all of them are equally imaginary. How do we know that they are imaginary? Simply imagine that one of them is real. If one of these thousands of gods were actually real, then his followers would be experiencing real, undeniable benefits. These benefits would be obvious to everyone. The followers of a true god would pray, and their prayers would be answered. The followers of a true god would therefore live longer, have fewer diseases, have lots more money, etc. There would be thousands of statistical markers surrounding the followers of a true god.

Everyone would notice all of these benefits, and they would gravitate toward this true god. And thus, over the course of several centuries, everyone would be aligned on the one true god. All the other false gods would have fallen by the wayside long ago, and there would be only one religion under the one true god.

When we look at our world today, we see nothing like that. There are two billion Christians AND there are more than one billion Muslims, and their religions are mutually exclusive. There are thousands of other religions. When you analyse any of them, they all show a remarkable similarity -- there is zero evidence that any of these gods exist. That is how we know that they are all imaginary.

There are many man-made religions and gods. But according to the Bible, there is only ONE true God and only ONE way to serve Him. The true God is the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. All the rest are frauds.


Your Observation: There are and have been thousands of religions. They can't each be right about everything, though each one has believers who have insisted that their religion is the one true religion.

Response: This is true. What distinguishes "Christianity" if you will, is:

A. Jesus Christ rose from the dead and was seen by over 500 people. None of the major religions of this world makes the claim that their leader did this. Their leaders (e.g., Muhammad, Confucious, etc.) all lay dead in the grave dried up carcasses.


http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/religio.htm

These are words of others (as you used as well....). I agree with what he has written here. Followers of Christ serve a LIVING God. None of the others do.

 

[phrodeau]

There are many man-made religions and gods. But according to the Bible, there is only ONE true God and only ONE way to serve Him. The true God is the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. All the rest are frauds.


Your Observation: There are and have been thousands of religions. They can't each be right about everything, though each one has believers who have insisted that their religion is the one true religion.

Response: This is true. What distinguishes "Christianity" if you will, is:

A. Jesus Christ rose from the dead and was seen by over 500 people. None of the major religions of this world makes the claim that their leader did this. Their leaders (e.g., Muhammad, Confucious, etc.) all lay dead in the grave dried up carcasses.


http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/religio.htm

These are words of others (as you used as well....). I agree with what he has written here. Followers of Christ serve a LIVING God. None of the others do.

Matthew 27:52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;
Matthew 27:53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

What about these people? Were religions started because of them? Did they end up dying a second time, did they fly up to Heaven, or are they still among us?

 

[Exquisition]

I was fine until you made the mistake that most zealots make, applying your personal belief to others.

In essence, you do not believe in God. You are not saved.

I believe I am no more saved than you because there is no 'saving' to be done. There is no great magic wand that explains the inexplicable it just is.

A book of supersitions and inaccuracies further accentuated by the inaccuracies and interpetration of 'scholars' isn;t the basis for a belief system IMO.

No-one is attacking you for your beliefs (certainly not I) but I am curious to know how you can trust a book full of inaccuracies, inconsistencies and myths and choose to live your life accordingly.

I am not trying to "save" you.

You can;t save me, there is nothing to save.

I only share who God - nope you share your interpretation of God based upon a fatally floored set of 2000 year old superstitions.

 

[hogjack]

Can be used in the inner thigh.

I have WWJD tattooed on my inner thigh.

I prayed about the appropriateness and the answer has been overwhelming support.

 

[Rolando2]

QUOTED FROM JULYBABYs comment

But according to the Bible, there is only ONE true God

And according to the BIBLE THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE BIBLE, ACCORDING TO ALL THE GUYS THAT CONTRIBUTED TO IT! like that commercial on TV says, it must be true,'cause they can't put anything in there there that ain't true,according to the bible.