didn't understand how obama was re-elected

[4est_4est_Gump]

They don't see the derogatory labels because they've been brainwashed into thinking it's normal....this is precisely why they're blind to liberalism in the media and public schools. It's all they've ever heard and see no reason to question it. It IS centrist to them.

The consensus coupled with black and white thinking, us versus them, which is ironically one of the serious charges forever leveled against the Republican Right. I tried to point that out in another thread to boynextdoor who claims that many of us are angry over this generation's diversity but it is really a faux diversity where every creed, race and sexual orientation is welcome as long as it thinks like the rest of the group and that is reflected in their views on Republican minorities, Christians, and alternative lifestyle membership; you can say any foul venomous thing about them because they are traitors of some sort for not being members of the Democrat coalition of the tolerant and diverse.

 

[mercury14]

Do you know why I voted for Obama?

Yes. You voted for Obama because you insist on having everything both ways. If Obama lost you could smirk and proclaim how your philosophy won out and ignore how you said you'd vote. If Obama won you could say "see I told ya so!". Either way you're evading taking responsibility for what you say.

Except before the election you said you were voting for Romney after all. Now you said you voted for Obama again.

 

[julybaby04]

Perhaps socialism is not the correct word that needs to be used in labeling the current leaders and government......Statism is more accurate.

From dictionary.com:

Statism is the concentration of economic controls and planning by a highly centralized government that often extends to government ownership of industry. It is often used to refer to state capitalism and state socialism through nationalization as a means of running industry in the interest of the majority. Statism exists in varying degrees in every country in the world. At the extreme statism encompasses communism, fascism, and other forms of totalitarianism. In short, statism is the doubt that economic and individual freedom is nessecary, workable or practical.

 

[mikey2much]

we don't have the time

Irt would take months to go through what Jen doesn't understand. Let me just say this. He/she/it sits in front of a tv that never leaves Fox news. He/she/it has never had a thought of her own. Her/his/its parents must have been hard rightwing fruitcakes too since I don't think that a person could get this stupid in one generation.

I check in on her/his/its post now and again just to see how deep the stupid is on any given day. I am always impressed. He/she/it always surpasses my expectations, sometimes blazing new depths of stupid. Somehow the people like Jen have RainX'ed
themselves so knowledge flows right off of them without soaking in. It is a self inflicted condition caused by too much Fox news and talk radio but unfortunately there is no way to bring them back.

While he/she/it rants about social spending, there is no way someone this over burdened with stupid ideals could ever support herself/himself/itself. Obama will set up a home for people like Jen but he/she/it will refuse to go. She/he/it will soon be standing outside your window with his/her/its sign shouting that "The End is Near', children will cross the street to avoid getting too close to 'the crazy person'.

 

[mercury14]

Perhaps socialism is not the correct word that needs to be used in labeling the current leaders and government......Statism is more accurate.

From dictionary.com:

Statism is the concentration of economic controls and planning by a highly centralized government that often extends to government ownership of industry. It is often used to refer to state capitalism and state socialism through nationalization as a means of running industry in the interest of the majority. Statism exists in varying degrees in every country in the world. At the extreme statism encompasses communism, fascism, and other forms of totalitarianism. In short, statism is the doubt that economic and individual freedom is nessecary, workable or practical.

Which industry does Obama want the US government to own?

 

[julybaby04]

Which industry does Obama want the US government to own?

Healthcare, Auto, Teachers, any union held industry....just as a few examples.

 

[mercury14]

Healthcare, Auto, Teachers, any union held industry....just as a few examples.

You're utterly detached from reality.

- Heathcare - The only aspect of the healthcare industry that the government owns is the VA system and military medicine.

- Auto - The government owns a minority stake in a single company (which it's trying to get out of). Therefore there's no possible way you can say that Obama is trying to take over the auto industry.

- Teachers - Obama wants government to take over the teachers industry? You're joking right?

- Any union held industry - Well let's put aside the fact that unions don't hold any industries. Even if every last job in America became unionized today that still wouldn't be a government takeover because unions are private entities.

 

[julybaby04]

You're utterly detached from reality.

- Heathcare - The only aspect of the healthcare industry that the government owns is the VA system and military medicine.

- Auto - The government owns a minority stake in a single company. Therefore there's no possible way you can say that Obama is trying to take over the auto industry.

- Teachers - Obama wants government to take over the teachers industry? You're joking right?

- Any union held industry - Well let's put aside the fact that unions don't hold any industries. Even if every last job in America became unionized today that still wouldn't be a government takeover because unions are private entities.

Healthcare....Obamacare will take care of that takeover.

Auto - can agree to disagree. Many companies face bankruptcy or closure. The government made sure this did not happen by forcing money into companies that could not sustain themselves.

Teachers - The government has the Department of Education thereby dictating what happens in public schools. The teachers union is a large voting block (as any union is).

The industries unions hold are those such as steel workers, pipe workers, dock workers, some grocery stores, etc. Those unions exist and are large voting blocks as well.

For the government to work to appease unions, it is thereby assuring those unions vote for the government they want (would would be democrats). To have a portion of union dues (which are mandated) paid to the democrats....whether or not the individual worker prefers a different party......that is government controlled.

 

[CNYCarol]

didn't understand how obama was re-elected

Let's see,

57 districts in Filthadelphia with ZERO votes for Romney.

90% of the I-4 corridor goes to Obummer.

99% of Sinsinatti goes to Obummer.

Absentee vote not counted (aka Military).

Can anyone say Election Fraud?

 

[mercury14]

Healthcare....Obamacare will take care of that takeover.

Holy fuck. How does giving 35 million people access to private insurance count as government ownership of the healthcare industry?

Auto - can agree to disagree. Many companies face bankruptcy or closure. The government made sure this did not happen by forcing money into companies that could not sustain themselves.

And nothing you just said means that Obama wants to take over the auto industry.

Teachers - The government has the Department of Education thereby dictating what happens in public schools. The teachers union is a large voting block (as any union is).

LOL yes there is public education and it existed for generations before Obama was sworn in. And you're calling that proof that Obama wants to take over "teachers"?

The industries unions hold are those such as steel workers, pipe workers, dock workers, some grocery stores, etc. Those unions exist and are large voting blocks as well.

And every last one of those unions is a private entity. Did you really think unions were part of government?

For the government to work to appease unions, it is thereby assuring those unions vote for the government they want (would would be democrats). To have a portion of union dues (which are mandated) paid to the democrats....whether or not the individual worker prefers a different party......that is government controlled.

And again this does nothing at all to back your argument. I asked you for proof and you've fallen deeper into a hole with every sentence you've written here. Not that it matters to you because you're a colossal reality denier.

 

[julybaby04]

Holy fuck. How does giving 35 million people access to private insurance count as government ownership of the healthcare industry?



And nothing you just said means that Obama wants to take over the auto industry.



LOL yes there is public education and it existed for generations before Obama was sworn in. And you're calling that proof that Obama wants to take over "teachers"?



And every last one of those unions is a private entity. Did you really think unions were part of government?



And this does nothing at all to back your argument. I asked you for proof and you've fallen deeper into a hole with every sentence you've written here. Not that it matters to you because you're a colossal reality denier.

Feel free to disagree......but the re-annointed King will make sure his subjects fall in line and worship the one who saved their lives and made it all better (or status quo).........

....those who choose not to worship him will be making their lives better on their own!

 

[mercury14]

Feel free to disagree......but the re-annointed King will make sure his subjects fall in line and worship the one who saved their lives and made it all better (or status quo).........

....those who choose not to worship him will be making their lives better on their own!

No it's not a matter of opinion at all, I'm telling you facts. When I show you moon rock analysis you're not free to say that the moon is really a wheel of cheddar because "we can agree to disagree". Not if you want to be treated like an adult anyway.

 

[julybaby04]

No it's not a matter of opinion at all, I'm telling you facts. When I show you moon rock analysis you're not free to say that the moon is really a wheel of cheddar because "we can agree to disagree". Not if you want to be treated like an adult anyway.

There are facts....but if people see them two different ways, then there is where the agreeing to disagree enters in. I believe many people have the same view of the Bible.....people see it differently.

In truth, it matters not what you believe are facts and what I believe are facts. The absolute truth will play out over the next four years. Perhaps then, who had the more "correct" facts will be clearer.

To be perfectly honest, I do hope it turns out to be you. If that is so, then the country will be not only ok, but doing much better.

I just do not believe that will be the outcome.

 

[mercury14]

There are facts....but if people see them two different ways, then there is where the agreeing to disagree enters in. I believe many people have the same view of the Bible.....people see it differently.

In truth, it matters not what you believe are facts and what I believe are facts. The absolute truth will play out over the next four years. Perhaps then, who had the more "correct" facts will be clearer.

To be perfectly honest, I do hope it turns out to be you. If that is so, then the country will be not only ok, but doing much better.

I just do not believe that will be the outcome.

Insisting that your words are fact just because you said so is laughable. I demonstrated how your ideas are falsehoods and now you're muttering about religious interpretations of the Bible.

And this is the core of your irrationality. You view the conservative narrative as a matter of faith, unassailable in any way. You believe, you don't think. And in the face of having your position eviscerated by reason, you want me to agree with you that it's all just subjective feelings.

Well it's not. Unions aren't the government and there's no logical way to back your supposition that Obama is trying to take over education because public schools till exist. You're just wrong.

 

[sethp]

The difference is that W didn't want to destroy the economy.

Yet he did anyway! Lol

 

[julybaby04]

Yet he did anyway! Lol

Hmm...believe this past administration had quite a bit to do with the economy as well.

 

[zipman]

Insisting that your words are fact just because you said so is laughable. I demonstrated how your ideas are falsehoods and now you're muttering about religious interpretations of the Bible.

And this is the core of your irrationality. You view the conservative narrative as a matter of faith, unassailable in any way. You believe, you don't think. And in the face of having your position eviscerated by reason, you want me to agree with you that it's all just subjective feelings.

Well it's not. Unions aren't the government and there's no logical way to back your supposition that Obama is trying to take over education because public schools till exist. You're just wrong.

Very funny exchange.

 

[julybaby04]

Insisting that your words are fact just because you said so is laughable. I demonstrated how your ideas are falsehoods and now you're muttering about religious interpretations of the Bible.

And this is the core of your irrationality. You view the conservative narrative as a matter of faith, unassailable in any way. You believe, you don't think. And in the face of having your position eviscerated by reason, you want me to agree with you that it's all just subjective feelings.

Well it's not. Unions aren't the government and there's no logical way to back your supposition that Obama is trying to take over education because public schools till exist. You're just wrong.

...and just because you believe I am wrong is NOT fact either sir! (it is just YOUR opinion).

......again...we will all see!

 

[sethp]

Hmm...believe this past administration had quite a bit to do with the economy as well.

Not really. I mean we can argue if McCain's or Romney's policies would have been better, but the economy was in full nosedive before Obama took office. Maybe it would have gone south under any president and wasn't W's fault at all, but that's not really the point. Obama inherited this economy and frankly, it's been in slow recovery for at least two years. That's not debatable. What is debatable is if republican policies will or would have sped up the recovery.

 

[julybaby04]

Not really. I mean we can argue if McCain's or Romney's policies would have been better, but the economy was in full nosedive before Obama took office. Maybe it would have gone south under any president and wasn't W's fault at all, but that's not really the point. Obama inherited this economy and frankly, it's been in slow recovery for at least two years. That's not debatable. What is debatable is if republican policies will or would have sped up the recovery.

Perhaps we will all know the answer after the next four years.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

So basically you believe that a communist negro named Hussein can go into an election with an 8 million vote handicap and still beat a Republican with a billion dollar war chest. That has to really sting.

Bronco Bama is a fascist negro.

Romney was damaged goods from the git-go; he isnt conservative, and managed to alienate the GOP base.

 

[garbage can]

Very funny exchange.

It's entertaining to read Merc's facts and other peoples falsehoods.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Insisting that your words are fact just because you said so is laughable. I demonstrated how your ideas are falsehoods and now you're muttering about religious interpretations of the Bible.

And this is the core of your irrationality. You view the conservative narrative as a matter of faith, unassailable in any way. You believe, you don't think. And in the face of having your position eviscerated by reason, you want me to agree with you that it's all just subjective feelings.

Well it's not. Unions aren't the government and there's no logical way to back your supposition that Obama is trying to take over education because public schools till exist. You're just wrong.

The above is an island of reason in an ocean of derp on a distant, watery planet known as Jen.

By "planet" I mean "thread." And it is a shame that a Jen thread has reached three pages.

 

[imalickin]

Communism isn't a political system where everyone sits around and gets free stuff. You should consider learning what words mean before using them.

I know what asshole means, your picture is right there, in the dictionary, to let everyone know what one looks like.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

What we have in America these days is old fashioned fascism. Washington dictates 'what is' to every industry and social organization. Washington isnt required to own anything, all it need do is control what happens, and control the results. Thats classic fascism.