American Union members showed Hostess

[miles]

Maybe Bronco will come up with a Twinkie bailout to save those union jobs.

 

[julybaby04]

Maybe Bronco will come up with a Twinkie bailout to save those union jobs.

oh gosh no! It is easier to be able to blame the Republicans for this one!

 

[miles]

oh gosh no! It is easier to be able to blame the Republicans for this one!

He can kill two birds with one stone.

 

[jeninflorida]

NY's had problems with pensions. Not due to high costs, but due to unregulated and unfettered Wall Street arrogance. And, because of comptrollers, from both parties, have wasted/stole/mismanaged the funds.

Do I see too much compensation from unionized state employees? Yes. Do I see far more compensation for state management and government? YES!!

okay

 

[unregistered]

 

[RjThoughts]

Take an economics course before you post. Workers don't pay for anything, they work for wages and benefits they can either accept or reject.

Pay, is in...loss their jobs so the executives can still receive bonuses!

Read a thesaurus!

 

[miles]

Take an economics course before you post. Workers don't pay for anything, they work for wages and benefits they can either accept or reject.

He don't do eckonomicks good.

 

[zipman]

So an American worker's pension is the cause of what's wrong with America, not his boss'?

The pension SYSTEM is unsustainable in its current form.

 

[Busybody]

ATTN LIB LOSERS


Your talking points have been blown up, OOPS


Update II: Like I said, I haven’t paid much attention to this fight, so I don’t have a lot of insight into whether labor or management has been more unreasonable. However, the Teamsters’ web site seems to lay the blame on the Bakery, Confectionary, Tobacco and Grain Millers International Union (BCTGM) for refusing to go along with the Teamsters to accept the last offer from Hostess:


In fact, when Hostess attempted to throw out its collective bargaining agreement with the Teamsters in court, the Teamsters fought back and won, ensuring that Hostess could not unilaterally make changes to working conditions during the several months’ long legal process that recently ended. Teamster Hostess members were allowed to decide their fate by voting on the final offer conducted by a secret mail ballot. More than two-thirds of Hostess Teamsters members voted with 53 percent voting to approve the final offer.

The BCTGM chose a different path, as is their prerogative, to not substantively look for a solution or engage in the process. BCTGM members were told there were better solutions than the final offer, although Judge Drain stated in his decision in bankruptcy court that no such solutions exist. Without complete information, BCTGM members voted by voice votes in union halls. The BCTGM reported that over 90 percent rejected the final offer and three of its units ratified the final offer.

On Friday, Nov. 9, the BCTGM began to strike at some Hostess production facilities without notice to the Teamsters despite assurances they would not proceed with job actions without contacting the Teamsters Union. This unannounced action put Teamster members in the difficult position of facing picket lines without knowing their right to honor such a line without being disciplined.

As is our longstanding tradition, Teamster members by and large are honoring Bakery Worker picket lines when encountered and complying with their contractual obligations when not encountering picket lines. The BCTGM leaders are putting Teamster members in a horrible position – asking them to support a strike that will put them out of a job when they haven’t even asked all their members to go on strike.

That strike is now on the verge of forcing the company to liquidate – it is difficult for Teamster members to believe that is what the BCTGM Hostess members ultimately wanted to accomplish when they went out on strike. We may never know unless the BCTGM members, based on the facts they know today, get to determine their fate in a secret ballot vote. Teamster members would understand that the will of the BCTGM Hostess membership was truly heard if that was the case.

That’s a pretty remarkable statement from the Teamsters.

 

[zipman]

NY's had problems with pensions. Not due to high costs, but due to unregulated and unfettered Wall Street arrogance. And, because of comptrollers, from both parties, have wasted/stole/mismanaged the funds.

Do I see too much compensation from unionized state employees? Yes. Do I see far more compensation for state management and government? YES!!

That is simply untrue. Helath care costs and longer life expectancy have both factored into it. We are paying the price now for the decisions of people over the last few decades and we will go bankrupt if it isn't changed.

 

[RjThoughts]

The pension SYSTEM is unsustainable in its current form.

And yet, GOP wants to privatize SS, wants to do vouchers for Medicare. Won't the financial mirror of pensions scream "THAT WON'T WORK EITHER" back at them?

They are one and the same. Thank God we're in a 401K

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

funny how we never hear that corporate bonuses and golden parachutes are unsustainable.

 

[jeninflorida]

And yet, GOP wants to privatize SS, wants to do vouchers for Medicare. Won't the financial mirror of pensions scream "THAT WON'T WORK EITHER" back at them?

They are one and the same. Thank God we're in a 401K

put down the obama juice. no need to smoke it. case you missed it, obama won!

now, come back to earth and reality!

 

[RjThoughts]

put down the obama juice. no need to smoke it. case you missed it, obama won!

now, come back to earth and reality!

TIme for you to get another saying, as it's proven you can't smoke juice.

I am based in reality. You should stop picking up the Rush, Beck, and Rove talking points, always blaming the unions and cannonizing "business owners".

 

[jeninflorida]

TIme for you to get another saying, as it's proven you can't smoke juice.

I am based in reality. You should stop picking up the Rush, Beck, and Rove talking points, always blaming the unions and cannonizing "business owners".

see, there you go with the insanity. I'm not listening to Rush, Bech, or Rove. I'm not even watching Fox.

Do you know anyone at the C-level?

union's do destroy businesses. just look at Arrow clothing and Hubby bicycles.

I know this concept is lost on many, and especially those at MSNBC & Current TV, Obama and team, but I speak from issues in the real world. I'm sorry that I'm not like Trove or Merc that have to read a book to understand what "business" is

try it some time, start a company! Granted, one must have Balls!

 

[RjThoughts]

see, there you go with the insanity. I'm not listening to Rush, Bech, or Rove. I'm not even watching Fox.

Do you know anyone at the C-level?

union's do destroy businesses. just look at Arrow clothing and Hubby bicycles.

Hubby? Huffy you mean. I know where YOUR mind is

Moving into non-union and overseas, and using unions as the reason, is a failed excuse!!

 

[Busybody]

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/hostessshrugged.jpg

 

[jeninflorida]

Hubby? Huffy you mean. I know where YOUR mind is

Moving into non-union and overseas, and using unions as the reason, is a failed excuse!!

Huffy and Arrow had to move overseas, or else they would have closed

the union model is out of date, so 1930's

 

[RjThoughts]

Huffy and Arrow had to move overseas, or else they would have closed

the union model is out of date, so 1930's

Moving manufacturing jobs overseas is a problem, one that unions have NOTHING to do with. Once Congress gets their collective head out of the ass and STOP giving tax breaks to companies that move jobs overseas, it will continue.

 

[jeninflorida]

Moving manufacturing jobs overseas is a problem, one that unions have NOTHING to do with. Once Congress gets their collective head out of the ass and STOP giving tax breaks to companies that move jobs overseas, it will continue.

there is NO tax break to move job overseas. that is an obama falsehood

 

[RjThoughts]

there is NO tax break to move job overseas. that is an obama falsehood

No, it's a truth. Breaks in that they are not TAXED on money made and kept overseas. You know, like moving accounts to tax havens in the Carribean and Scheyshelles and Switzerland

 

[jeninflorida]

No, it's a truth. Breaks in that they are not TAXED on money made and kept overseas. You know, like moving accounts to tax havens in the Carribean and Scheyshelles and Switzerland

so with that logic, American companies shouldn't sell products/services overseas then too

 

[RjThoughts]

so with that logic, American companies shouldn't sell products/services overseas then too

An American worker keeps their money IN America
An overseas worker keeps their money OVERSEAS

People are so "Made In America" and "Keep Jobs in America" yet, allow jobs to be moved overseas, and the sheep of the GOP whine "It's unions that cause it." Uh, look to the company management, see what breaks they receive for doing it before blaming unions.

 

[jeninflorida]

No, it's a truth. Breaks in that they are not TAXED on money made and kept overseas. You know, like moving accounts to tax havens in the Carribean and Scheyshelles and Switzerland

Rj, here is why you (and the others) are wrong. First of all you are barking up the wrong tree. You need to address consumers.

You know the people that drive Toyota with bumper stickers that say "AFL-CIO" proud member

or

the best was seeing a Tundra in a home depot parking lot demanding support for the American farmer. well that logic is fucked up cuz I'm sure that jackass could have gotten what he needed an an indi store like True Value

The issue is with the consumers, buying crap from China.

your business model does not work

 

[RjThoughts]

Rj, here is why you (and the others) are wrong. First of all you are barking up the wrong tree. You need to address consumers.

You know the people that drive Toyota with bumper stickers that say "AFL-CIO" proud member

or

the best was seeing a Tundra in a home depot parking lot demanding support for the American farmer. well that logic is fucked up cuz I'm sure that jackass could have gotten what he needed an an indi store like True Value

The issue is with the consumers, buying crap from China.

your business model does not work

And your "Unions are the devil" mentality is reminiscent of Rockerfeller, Morgan, Carnegie, Vanderbilt. That thinking went out in the early 1900s.

There has to be a combination of both. But to constantly blame the unions for EVERYTHING is wrong, as if Union first/Union last/Union always thinking. Personally, there are some unions which there is no need, but blaming the unions ALL THE TIME is just as bad.