Women, how do you protect yourselves?

[satindesire]

Okay, I'm pretty sure most of you are smarter than this. I don't want to assume any of y'all are being deliberately obtuse, so I'll explain this in greater detail since I would hate for that possibility to be true.

"Put them away"? Women universally LOVE tits too. And it's rude to stare. Just because you may think a woman is ok with your behaviour, doesn't mean she is.

What the fuck do they teach you there in America?

That was a question in response also to her statement "Just because you may think a woman is ok with your behaviour, doesn't mean she is."

My response was to point out that not every American is "taught" that Botonyboy's behavior is acceptable.

Is this really that hard to understand?

 

[girlsmiley]

Eh, I still can't figure out why she went after kbate in Perg's birthday thread. I'm going to stop trying to make sense of it.

Ooh! I didn't see that. Did kbate tear her a new arsehole?
I need to find my husband's birthday thread
Ima go have a look!

 

[satindesire]

Ooh! I didn't see that. Did kbate tear her a new arsehole?
I need to find my husband's birthday thread
Ima go have a look!

No, actually, we had a civil conversation. Sorry to disappoint you.

 

[girlsmiley]

Okay, I'm pretty sure most of you are smarter than this. I don't want to assume any of y'all are being deliberately obtuse, so I'll explain this in greater detail since I would hate for that possibility to be true.



That was a question in response also to her statement "Just because you may think a woman is ok with your behaviour, doesn't mean she is."

My response was to point out that not every American is "taught" that Botonyboy's behavior is acceptable.

Is this really that hard to understand?

Lori's right. And hot. You're trying to find something that isn't there.

 

[satindesire]

Lori's right. And hot. You're trying to find something that isn't there.

Okay. Then since I misunderstood you, can you explain your statement?

 

[girlsmiley]

No, actually, we had a civil conversation. Sorry to disappoint you.

Right. Because one can only have civil conversations in the states.

I'M KIDDING! Look, clearly you're upset and I should apologise.

I'm sorry for the confusion and offer you some of my toast. It's a bit cold but it goes good with a hot cup of tea.

 

[satindesire]

Right. Because one can only have civil conversations in the states.

I'M KIDDING! Look, clearly you're upset and I should apologise.

I'm sorry for the confusion and offer you some of my toast. It's a bit cold but it goes good with a hot cup of tea.

I'm not upset, but I do appreciate the sentiment anyway.

Is it wheat toast? I love wheat toast!

 

[warrior queen]

I agree with the rest of it but this is absurd....women spend thousands putting them on grand display at every chance for exactly that reason.

I have seen thousands and thousands of women in mundane places of all sorts dressed like
http://www.tinyadda.com/images/d346neb0iclyfteitrf.jpg

And there is no fucking way you will ever convince me dressing with ones assets on display as such is unintentional or innocent.

That's like me running around with half a chub hanging out going "WTF are you looking at? Quit harassing me!!!"

I'm not saying dressing provocatively validates rape at all, but to get all butt hurt over the stares, comments or even being hit on or whistled at when you throw it out there on grand display is fucking retarded. Guys universally LOVE tits....you don't want anyone staring at them or complementing you on them then put them away it's really that simple.

I'm interested to learn exactly how to put my tits away.
For the record, I have medium tits, but my nipples stick out constantly - they even show through a padded bra and a woolen jumper.
And also for the record, I've had comments and gropes on my tits despite wearing a jumper that goes from my neck to my wrists.
So I'm curious..... exactly how far do I need to go to take that temptation away?

 

[Arlan]

I'm interested to learn exactly how to put my tits away.
For the record, I have medium tits, but my nipples stick out constantly - they even show through a padded bra and a woolen jumper.
And also for the record, I've had comments and gropes on my tits despite wearing a jumper that goes from my neck to my wrists.
So I'm curious..... exactly how far do I need to go to take that temptation away?

Go around handing out blindfolds...
Oh, wait, that might send a different sort of message.
Never mind.

 

[girlsmiley]

I'm not upset, but I do appreciate the sentiment anyway.

Is it wheat toast? I love wheat toast!

Wholegrain and vegemite. It's good.

Time to go to work. Catch you on the rebound!

 

[BotanyBoy]

Are you fucking kidding me? You are not entitled to sexually harass a woman because of a low cut shirt. Her body doesn't belong to you, so you don't get to treat her like property.

How is a look or compliment or even hitting on somone harassment or treating a woman like my property? Are you fucking delusional? Most take it as a compliment....even when undesired they say "No thanks, I'm busy with my bf later " or whatever ...I get rejected and I move on.

How is this unnatural or harassing?

The way a woman dresses is none of your business. It's hot outside, and I'll be damned if I walk around sweating my ass off just because YOU can't control your abusive mouth.

Once again a how is looking, or hitting on or even complimenting a woman abusive? Ohhh it's abusive when it's not from an attractive enough guy....but when Mr. Got rocks' shows up it's "flirting"

As long as the guy leaves you alone after you tell him to fuck off you got nothing.

She could be walking around BUTT ASS NAKED and you still have to treat her like a human being because that's what mature, respectable adults do.

If you act like a dog, be prepared for people to be offended at your behavior.

And I ask again what would be so inhumane about going up to a woman who is comfy enough o be naked in public and saying "You have a fantastic ass, and I wanted to thank you for sharing!!" ???

OHHH I'M SUCH A SEXIST FUCKIN PIG ARENT I!!! LMFAO~~~ HORRIBLE BEHAVIOR!!! ZOMG!!!! JUST AN ABSOLUTE OUTRAGE!!

What ever...if she is open enough to rock a birthday suit in public cool, but if she get's butt hurt over complements on the threads she's too uptight for me anyhow, she will tell me to fuck off and I will roll out...just like one of the billions of men who get rejected every day. It's nothing new..

I don't know, why do men grab women while they're standing on the bus? I can't tell you how many times I've been groped while on public transportation or out dancing.

I said unsolicited physical contact was assault and never once advocated that. Just for the record.

"Women spend thousands putting them on grand display"
"throw it out there on grand display"

What does that even mean, bb? She's dressed in fucking pyjamas!

You can't tell me she "accidentally" put a super pump push up bra on under a baby gap tank top and just didn't know her tits were crawling out the top of said baby gap T, that's why the hoodie is draped down over her back....b/c she doesn't want anyone to look

She could have just as easily put on a T shirt. But I'm sure the thousands of women across america who go to the gym today with super tight painted on shorts and boobs half way falling out do so completely innocently....

Women NEVER preen and put their bodies on display to get guys to HIT ON THEM THOSE SEXIST FUCKING PIGS THEY ARE!! No self respecting woman does that....and LADIES NEVER MASTURBATE EITHER!!!

"Put them away"? Women universally LOVE tits too. And it's rude to stare. Just because you may think a woman is ok with your behaviour, doesn't mean she is.

What the fuck do they teach you there in America?

Women love tits too!! see so why does a woman who hangs them out for the public to see get all upset when someone is looking? hmm??? OHHH soooo degrading someone looked at your tits!! Watch out a guy might check your ass out too!! oh the horror!!!

Well too fucking bad!! Part of going into public is people LOOK AT YOU OMG IT'S INSANITY!!!

I'm interested to learn exactly how to put my tits away.
For the record, I have medium tits, but my nipples stick out constantly - they even show through a padded bra and a woolen jumper.
And also for the record, I've had comments and gropes on my tits despite wearing a jumper that goes from my neck to my wrists.
So I'm curious..... exactly how far do I need to go to take that temptation away?

Put them away? Well I would say a regular old T shirt will land you a lot less stares than a baby gap tank top with a push up bra.....

I wouldn't know but I imagine if I went around with my cock hanging out the front of my pant's I might catch a few more looks than if I keep my dick in my pants.......

 

[warrior queen]

You didn't answer.
Padded bra and thick woolly jumper.
Not tank and push-up.

 

[neci]

You didn't answer.
Padded bra and thick woolly jumper.
Not tank and push-up.

you were born a whore.

 

[warrior queen]

you were born a whore.

Being a whore is no excuse for men to grope.
Besides, I prefer to be called a selective-slut.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You didn't answer.
Padded bra and thick woolly jumper.
Not tank and push-up.

Well putting them away would be the opposite of not having them hanging out yea??? Makes sense amirite? IMSORITE!!!

So given that standard if they aren't exposed to the public eye while wearing your bra/woolly jumper combo they would be put away yes? yup...I agree. But just to clear it all up I have some pics to show you ...

http://bradhodson.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/soccer-mom-cheering_bxp70051.jpg
^^ This soccer mom has her tit's put away...

http://www.straitpinkie.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/msu_cleavage.jpg

^^ uh oh!!! I don't think these are put up...i think the home made cut out is a clear indicator this woman wants everyone to look at her tits.....but then again I'm just a crazy sexist pig!! Women don't do that kinda shit amirite? IMSORITE!!

http://collaborativetransitions.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Business-Woman.gif

^^ looks like professional lady here has her tits put up. Probably b/c she has a job to do.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7V2w8KhAZKI/UCmmpo8Zv0I/AAAAAAAAMY8/agDyQwIWiFM/s1600/epic_cleavage_girl_02.jpg

UH OH!!! I don't think these are put up....I going to go ahead and say she want's them seen, because I'm a nasty ass sexual harasser!!! I even hit on women sometimes, esp ones who don't have their tits put away......I'm a deviant like that.....it's fucking crazy......

 

[girlsmiley]

You can't tell me she "accidentally" put a super pump push up bra on under a baby gap tank top and just didn't know her tits were crawling out the top of said baby gap T, that's why the hoodie is draped down over her back....b/c she doesn't want anyone to look

She could have just as easily put on a T shirt. But I'm sure the thousands of women across america who go to the gym today with super tight painted on shorts and boobs half way falling out do so completely innocently....

Women NEVER preen and put their bodies on display to get guys to HIT ON THEM THOSE SEXIST FUCKING PIGS THEY ARE!! No self respecting woman does that....and LADIES NEVER MASTURBATE EITHER!!!



Women love tits too!! see so why does a woman who hangs them out for the public to see get all upset when someone is looking? hmm??? OHHH soooo degrading someone looked at your tits!! Watch out a guy might check your ass out too!! oh the horror!!!

Well too fucking bad!! Part of going into public is people LOOK AT YOU OMG IT'S INSANITY!!!



Put them away? Well I would say a regular old T shirt will land you a lot less stares than a baby gap tank top with a push up bra.....

I wouldn't know but I imagine if I went around with my cock hanging out the front of my pant's I might catch a few more looks than if I keep my dick in my pants.......

You're being ridiculous.

Hey, if you would like to discuss why you think some women dress the way they do then go for it. But...

I'm not talking about that.

 

[satindesire]

How is a look or compliment or even hitting on somone harassment or treating a woman like my property? Are you fucking delusional? Most take it as a compliment....even when undesired they say "No thanks, I'm busy with my bf later " or whatever ...I get rejected and I move on.

How is this unnatural or harassing?

A compliment is fine. A glance is fine. Anything more than this, Wolf Whistling, "hitting on" in a "Hhhey, sexy tits baby." is NOT FINE, it's harassment. Women are largely socialized to "not make waves" and so will be unable to say anything when a man harassed her due to her fighting with her own instincts to protect herself. Taking a woman's silence or nervous smile as them taking harassment as a compliment is the delusional part.

The fact that you clearly and openly state that NO ONE will be able to EVER convince you that women DO NOT DRESS FOR MEN is the delusional part.

Once again a how is looking, or hitting on or even complimenting a woman abusive? Ohhh it's abusive when it's not from an attractive enough guy....but when Mr. Got rocks' shows up it's "flirting"

As long as the guy leaves you alone after you tell him to fuck off you got nothing.

Women largely do not dress for the pleasure of strange men. To assume that we put on a low cut shirt JUST for YOUR attention is narcissistic in the extreme.

And I ask again what would be so inhumane about going up to a woman who is comfy enough o be naked in public and saying "You have a fantastic ass, and I wanted to thank you for sharing!!" ???

Because that's reducing a woman into pieces, reducing her humanity, sexualizing her nonconsesually, and harassing her. The fact that you find it acceptable to say "You have a fantastic ass" is a frightening symptom of Rape Culture.

OHHH I'M SUCH A SEXIST FUCKIN PIG ARENT I!!! LMFAO~~~ HORRIBLE BEHAVIOR!!! ZOMG!!!! JUST AN ABSOLUTE OUTRAGE!!

Yes, actually, you are a sexist fucking pig and your behavior is horrible. And yes, it is an outrage. I'm genuinely confused how you can be so blind to how negatively your behavior can affect the people around you.

What ever...if she is open enough to rock a birthday suit in public cool, but if she get's butt hurt over complements on the threads she's too uptight for me anyhow, she will tell me to fuck off and I will roll out...just like one of the billions of men who get rejected every day. It's nothing new..

Let me guess. "Nice Guy" syndrome? Figures.

You can't tell me she "accidentally" put a super pump push up bra on under a baby gap tank top and just didn't know her tits were crawling out the top of said baby gap T, that's why the hoodie is draped down over her back....b/c she doesn't want anyone to look

There's no accident about it. As I said before, women largely dress for themselves, to make themselves feel sexy, not to make strange men harass her. If you really think that ALL WOMEN EVERYWHERE -LOVE- to be sexually harassed, why are there sexual harassment laws? Why are there stalking laws? Why are there flashing laws, peeping tom laws, why are there laws against rape? If being sexualized nonconsesually is NO BIG DEAL, why are there laws protecting women from -just this kind of behavior-?

She could have just as easily put on a T shirt. But I'm sure the thousands of women across america who go to the gym today with super tight painted on shorts and boobs half way falling out do so completely innocently....

Yes, that kind of thought process is why women in the middle east are forced to wear Hijab, and burquas, because men aren't held responsible for their behavior, women are held responsible for being "too sexy". Perhaps you should move there, and then you can go about your day without worrying about your completely out of control misogyny and sexual anger. And if you ever see a woman not in her burqua, you can harass her with the law fully on you side.

Women love tits too!! see so why does a woman who hangs them out for the public to see get all upset when someone is looking? hmm??? OHHH soooo degrading someone looked at your tits!! Watch out a guy might check your ass out too!! oh the horror!!!

Well too fucking bad!! Part of going into public is people LOOK AT YOU OMG IT'S INSANITY!!!

The fact that you see no difference between a single appreciative and polite glance and open harassment is incredibly disturbing. I'm aware of the difference, are you?

I wouldn't know but I imagine if I went around with my cock hanging out the front of my pant's I might catch a few more looks than if I keep my dick in my pants.......

And even if it were legal for you to walk around like that, and even if you did, you'd still be entitled to be treated like a person instead of a piece of meat.

 

[warrior queen]

I wouldn't know but I imagine if I went around with my cock hanging out the front of my pant's I might catch a few more looks than if I keep my dick in my pants.......

I believe that if you walked around with your cock hanging out, 99% of women would pointedly ignore you... and the remaining 1% would politely inform you that you hadn't finished dressing that morning.
I do not believe that we'd be irresistably drawn to grope it, nor would we have a conversation with you while unable to lift our eyes higher than your crotch.
And I seriously don't imagine we'd either wolf-whistle or yell 'Nice cock!' from across the street.

 

[satindesire]

I believe that if you walked around with your cock hanging out, 99% of women would pointedly ignore you... and the remaining 1% would politely inform you that you hadn't finished dressing that morning.
I do not believe that we'd be irresistably drawn to grope it, nor would we have a conversation with you while unable to lift our eyes higher than your crotch.
And I seriously don't imagine we'd either wolf-whistle or yell 'Nice cock!' from across the street.

An entire lifetime of being noconsensually sexualized gives women a sense of what NOT to do due to personally experiencing the pain it caused them.

Funny how that works, huh?

 

[warrior queen]

An entire lifetime of being noconsensually sexualized gives women a sense of what NOT to do due to personally experiencing the pain it caused them.

Funny how that works, huh?

The man I am currently with, would NEVER do that to any woman.
He is acutely aware that women have endured centuries of inappropriate comments and victimisation, and goes out of his way to keep a boundary that many consider extreme.
I his innate understanding.

 

[satindesire]

The man I am currently with, would NEVER do that to any woman.
He is acutely aware that women have endured centuries of inappropriate comments and victimisation, and goes out of his way to keep a boundary that many consider extreme.
I his innate understanding.

Me too!

Fistbump for feminist men!

 

[warrior queen]

Me too!

Fistbump for feminist men!

He calls it courtesy.
I call it respect.

 

[Sean]

And I seriously don't imagine we'd either wolf-whistle or yell 'Nice cock!' from across the street.

You've never worked somewhere that has almost exclusively female employees, have you? Women are MUCH worse than men for that kind of thing, especially in a work environment.

 

[warrior queen]

You've never worked somewhere that has almost exclusively female employees, have you? Women are MUCH worse than men for that kind of thing, especially in a work environment.

Actually, I have.
And I have also worked in male-dominated environments.
And I still say, men far outweigh women when it comes to sexualising other people. Even their male colleagues. I can't recall the number of times I've heard men either talk-up a masculine mate, or call a more sesitive man 'fag' or 'gay'

 

[BotanyBoy]

A compliment is fine. A glance is fine. Anything more than this, Wolf Whistling, "hitting on" in a "Hhhey, sexy tits baby." is NOT FINE, it's harassment. Women are largely socialized to "not make waves" and so will be unable to say anything when a man harassed her due to her fighting with her own instincts to protect herself. Taking a woman's silence or nervous smile as them taking harassment as a compliment is the delusional part.

The fact that you clearly and openly state that NO ONE will be able to EVER convince you that women DO NOT DRESS FOR MEN is the delusional part.

NEVER said it was necessarily for men....I said they are dressing to show off for others, usually men, sometimes women. Doesn't matter...they are doing the same thing as the guy in the fancy car with all the bling...it's peacocking, showing off to a attract someone, we all do it. Women flash T&A guys flex bank accounts and power. We all do it....it's well documented human behavior.

Women largely do not dress for the pleasure of strange men. To assume that we put on a low cut shirt JUST for YOUR attention is narcissistic in the extreme.

Too fucking bad....she's in public and if she is going to dress with 1/2 her ass hanging out I'm going to enjoy the view. If it were for her man only she needs to save daisy dukes/mini skirt for the house and wear regular pants/skirt like everyone else.....

Same thing with boob meat....don't want the public staring at your tit's don't expose them to the public, pretty simple yea?

Because that's reducing a woman into pieces, reducing her humanity, sexualizing her nonconsesually, and harassing her. The fact that you find it acceptable to say "You have a fantastic ass" is a frightening symptom of Rape Culture.

Yes, actually, you are a sexist fucking pig and your behavior is horrible. And yes, it is an outrage. I'm genuinely confused how you can be so blind to how negatively your behavior can affect the people around you.

Seriously?

You have a great ass = rapist, harasser of women, pig!!

Silence in response to "Do these jeans make my ass look bigger?" = insensitive son of a bitch!!!

WTF BRO?? You can't have it both ways. "OH I'm going to let my ass hang out but only hot guys that I think are attractive can say anything about it!!"

Just be honest, if it's Mr.BrokassMcFugly it's harassment...if it's Mr.Gotrocks McStud it's flirting.

Let me guess. "Nice Guy" syndrome? Figures.

Oh no, far from it..I'm just a realist who understands that rejection is an unavoidable part of the game be it in an earnest dating effort looking for that special someone or going out and getting laid with the first bar skank that will say yes.

There's no accident about it. As I said before, women largely dress for themselves, to make themselves feel sexy, not to make strange men harass her. If you really think that ALL WOMEN EVERYWHERE -LOVE- to be sexually harassed, why are there sexual harassment laws? Why are there stalking laws? Why are there flashing laws, peeping tom laws, why are there laws against rape? If being sexualized nonconsesually is NO BIG DEAL, why are there laws protecting women from -just this kind of behavior-?

Where did I condone stalking, harassment or physical assault? You go off your neuroleptic meds again? I clearly stated that anyone is apt to be hit on by anyone in public....but it's not harassment no matter how rude as long as the rejected get's lost when told to. Don't believe me, call 911 and tell them some guy looked down your tank top when you were shooting pool at the local bar and they will laugh at you and say "Yea? So?..what do you want us to do about tit?" HAHAHAHA I made a funny.....

Yes, that kind of thought process is why women in the middle east are forced to wear Hijab, and burquas, because men aren't held responsible for their behavior, women are held responsible for being "too sexy". Perhaps you should move there, and then you can go about your day without worrying about your completely out of control misogyny and sexual anger. And if you ever see a woman not in her burqua, you can harass her with the law fully on you side.

Oh what a crock of shit....I do not support or condone any of that shit, and as a point of record I shot the shit out of the last POS I caught raping a woman so please spare me the "your attitude makes rape and misogyny OK in the middle east!" because that's a load. Nothing makes the way those fucking animals treat women ok...

Besides....I totally support topless women, even gave a couple of them a bunch of money a few times.

The fact that you see no difference between a single appreciative and polite glance and open harassment is incredibly disturbing. I'm aware of the difference, are you?

Oh I know the diff...that's why I rarely get caught and I have never once gone all "yo baby baby love ya tits!!" either....

but as long as he complies with your rejection you can't go screaming harassment on the guy who does simply because he is rude. If you tell him to leave you alone and he doesn't then there is a problem and you should prob call for help/cops.

It's an american right to be an asshole.

And even if it were legal for you to walk around like that, and even if you did, you'd still be entitled to be treated like a person instead of a piece of meat.

Ahhh see there goes that whole freedom bit....I don't have to treat you like anything. As long as I don't harass/persue/threaten/ act threatening to you I can be as big of an asshole as I want to be.

I'm not usually an asshole but I definitely support the right, and freedom to be one....why?

Because sometimes you just have to give someone the bird on the highway...and sometimes you have to just have to go ask the drunk girl at the club wearing something that resembles 3 pieces of string and a couple of wet napkins if she want's to go your place and fuck.