Soon gay couples may be able to have their own biological offspring!

[IndieSnob]

I, for one, am against this. If you can make a baby out of one person and another person, what is next? People and monkeys? People and chairs? Chairple??

Maybe you are OK with a world full of chairple. But perhaps instead you should take a moment and ask yourselves: What would Jesus sit on?

I think I have made my point.

WWJSO?​

He'd sit on your face for denying that he was the messiah.

Also, jizz.

 

[richard_daily]

Gay champions. Bwhahahahaha.

More like fans of a humane society that treats every person with the respect they deserve.

Sorry to blow your dreams of an aryan heterosexual utopia, shit stain.

The best part about it, is you know good and well that chillywilly jerks off to gay porn on the sly.

 

[Wings]

I 'automatically went to the gay talking point' because the NPR show I was listening to which discussed this centred on the advantages to gay couples.
They made passing reference to other things, but predominantly talked about how gay couples might benefit.

Ok, but the article you linked says nothing about gay couples. There was confusion.

 

[warrior queen]

Ok, but the article you linked says nothing about gay couples. There was confusion.

The article was the only one I could find that wasn't filled with really big scientific terms that most here would have had trouble understanding

 

[Queen_Vicki]

So this mean men are trying to get rid of women so they can fuck each other all willy nilly,like?

 

[CandiCame]

The best part about it, is you know good and well that chillywilly jerks off to gay porn on the sly.

The sly?

 

[richard_daily]

The sly?

In secret.

 

[butters]

I, for one, am against this. If you can make a baby out of one person and another person, what is next? People and monkeys? People and chairs? Chairple??

Maybe you are OK with a world full of chairple. But perhaps instead you should take a moment and ask yourselves: What would Jesus sit on?

I think I have made my point.

WWJSO?​

my favourite post of the day

 

[RobDownSouth]

Gay champions. Bwhahahahaha.

<Freddie Mercury mode>
♫♫♫ Weeeee are gay champions, mah friends.... ♫♫♫♫
</Freddie Mercury mode>

 

[unregistered]

 

[richard_daily]

Rob, Daily? Looks like there's a way for you two have a stake in the future after all.

Sorry, I don't think either of us is interested in you.

But thanks for asking!

 

[badbabysitter]

this thread went from bad pseuod science, to cloning, to jesus, to evil gays, to homophobia

classic lit thread

 

[girlsmiley]

Well then, if he was a real person, born in a specific region of the world, wouldn't he look pretty much like everyone else in that region? I mean, can't we make a pretty good guess that he didn't look Chinese?

Korean Jesus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNnMYvZ2yjc

 

[CandiCame]

In secret.

I knew what it meant. I just didn't think he was very secret about it. He's a worse spy then Kaworu Nagisa.

 

[warrior queen]

this thread went from bad pseuod science, to cloning, to jesus, to evil gays, to homophobia

classic lit thread

What do you mean pseudo-science?
The Japanese scientists have actually bred mice from eggs AND sperm made from skin stem cells.

 

[Daddi_DJ]

As an aside, it's interesting that Christian images of Jesus show him as white. No? If true, he would have been the only white fella living in that area at the time.

Sooooo true! lol

 

[KRCummings]

What do you mean pseudo-science?
The Japanese scientists have actually bred mice from eggs AND sperm made from skin stem cells.

Hayashi noted in the latest study with mice that the primordial germ cells needed to be nurtured with cells taken from a separate foetus, which is destroyed in the process.

 

[Daddi_DJ]

I am not sure if I agree with the stem cell thing. For one, it would not be affordable to ALL people of course. For two, neither is adoption. For three, isn't that us taking the power out of God's hands and putting it into our own?? I would love to see gay couples having children that are biologically linked to them. That would cut out all of the fighting over who has rights to the children if a parent leaves or passes. But I think that is a bit far to think it is ok.

 

[warrior queen]

I am not sure if I agree with the stem cell thing. For one, it would not be affordable to ALL people of course. For two, neither is adoption. For three, isn't that us taking the power out of God's hands and putting it into our own?? I would love to see gay couples having children that are biologically linked to them. That would cut out all of the fighting over who has rights to the children if a parent leaves or passes. But I think that is a bit far to think it is ok.

'...taking the power out of God's hands...' only applies if you believe in God.
In which case, you are free to choose NOT to make use of the science if it offends you.
But for couples who do not believe in God and who take no moral or ethical offense at the science, should also be allowed to choose to have access to the science.
Just because a few bring up the God arguement does not mean ALL people should be denied this.

 

[warrior queen]

Hayashi noted in the latest study with mice that the primordial germ cells needed to be nurtured with cells taken from a separate foetus, which is destroyed in the process.

Yes, I read that too. But in the NPR show I was listening to, the scientist explained that they had got around this by using the stem cells of an unrelated mouse to create a separate, non-viable foetus to harvest from.

 

[KRCummings]

Yes, I read that too. But in the NPR show I was listening to, the scientist explained that they had got around this by using the stem cells of an unrelated mouse to create a separate, non-viable foetus to harvest from.

It's still stem cells from a fetus which makes the whole "stem cells from skin" thing moot.

 

[warrior queen]

It's still stem cells from a fetus which makes the whole "stem cells from skin" thing moot.

I wasn't clear enough.... They made a non-viable foetus (without a brain) by using stem cells from unrelated mice to produce eggs and sperm... which they then used to make a viable mouse.

 

[CandiCame]

'...taking the power out of God's hands...' only applies if you believe in God.
In which case, you are free to choose NOT to make use of the science if it offends you.
But for couples who do not believe in God and who take no moral or ethical offense at the science, should also be allowed to choose to have access to the science.
Just because a few bring up the God arguement does not mean ALL people should be denied this.

What about the "You're a douchebag for wanting your own genes more then actually wanting a child because there are plenty of kids out there who already need you.''

You can have a moral issue without bringing god into it. And I think that things like this are unethical and immoral. Our planet is already overpopulated. Kids are already starving in the streets in some places. Kids can't get shots and die of easily preventable diseases. And you're gonna spend $10,000 a fertility treatment? Do you know how much that money could do for a kid that's already here? These kids that you want to create- they're imaginary. They're in your head right now. These kids that are being fucked over by the world- they're real. They're here. And species preservation over self preservation instincts that we should all have- provided we aren't psychopaths should tell you that there are better allotments for this grant money and these stem cells. Lets tackle cancer. Can't stem cells do something about cancer? Seems like they should be able to.

Or we can make sure selfish douchebags with disposable income get to spread their selfish douchebag genes.

Yeah.

That's the right fucking decision.

I hate people sometimes.

 

[warrior queen]

What about the "You're a douchebag for wanting your own genes more then actually wanting a child because there are plenty of kids out there who already need you.''

You can have a moral issue without bringing god into it. And I think that things like this are unethical and immoral. Our planet is already overpopulated. Kids are already starving in the streets in some places. Kids can't get shots and die of easily preventable diseases. And you're gonna spend $10,000 a fertility treatment? Do you know how much that money could do for a kid that's already here? These kids that you want to create- they're imaginary. They're in your head right now. These kids that are being fucked over by the world- they're real. They're here. And species preservation over self preservation instincts that we should all have- provided we aren't psychopaths should tell you that there are better allotments for this grant money and these stem cells. Lets tackle cancer. Can't stem cells do something about cancer? Seems like they should be able to.

Or we can make sure selfish douchebags with disposable income get to spread their selfish douchebag genes.

Yeah.

That's the right fucking decision.

I hate people sometimes.

I might have agreed with this viewpoint in the past.... But I have two couples I know who are infertile and have been trying to adopt for a while, unsuccessfully.
They have both passed all the evaluations, yet they still get sent more and more paperwork, and have to go through more and more assessments, and still expect to wait upwards of 5 years before they actually get to have an adoption go through.
And that's not to mention that one couple has spent over $100,000, and the other has come close to $60,000 so far.
If both those couples had the option of 'building' their own child - and probably at a LOT less cost - I am absolutely certain they would do so.

The adoption laws suck..... especially when you consider that any old dick can go have a baby WITHOUT having to be assessed and paying shitloads of money!

 

[KRCummings]

I wasn't clear enough.... They made a non-viable foetus (without a brain) by using stem cells from unrelated mice to produce eggs and sperm... which they then used to make a viable mouse.

It's still stem cells from a fetus which makes the whole "stem cells from skin" thing moot.