Operations Fast & Furious

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I'm sorry she limits your internet time.

 

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Personal responsibility? You mean like how you go after member's children? You mean your personal responsibility for maintaining a reputation for being the biggest God damn liar on Lit? Give us all a big fucking collective break, Rob.

Flounder is accusing other people of lying?

The creep is a fat sociopath.

 

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[phrodeau]

BFD!!

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Seriously, dude.

 

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Seriously, dude.

is your kind allergic to working? why do you love the Entitlements?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Flounder is accusing other people of lying?

The creep is a fat sociopath.

You're the one who went after my kids, publishing information and pictures here and I"M the sociopath?

96% of the people here said you were wrong to do that.
You've been able to unite the board as no one has before.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Irrelevant. They're skewering them now. They've been reporting on the scandal all along. You, too, can go look at their website and check the dates of stories.

Koala didn't, as far as I can tell, address the weapons that Reagan gave to Iran and Afghanistan.

Moronic "I'm voting for the guy I like least" voter, go ahead and look at my posts. Where was your outrage when Reagan armed AQ?

Uhhhh...

Dumbass. During the Reagan years I was a Democrat. Every fucking thing he did outraged me...

You are voting for Obama as is kbate and ChinaBandit. At least I am being honest about it. Did I get any credit for voting for Bob Barr? No. I still got called a "Republican" for the last four years...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

So, the shooting at the Agent Terry outpost...



Any ironically cosmic chance that F&F weapons were used?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Univision Does Its Homework
John G. Malcolm, NRO
October 3, 2012

Univision has done some outstanding investigative reporting on Operation Fast and Furious, the ill-conceived and disastrously executed gun-smuggling operation that was designed to identify the kingpins of a Mexican firearms-trafficking network but resulted in the transfer of approximately 2,000 high-powered weapons into the hands of dangerous thugs connected with the drug cartels. A recently issued report from the Justice Department’s inspector general criticizes the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Arizona, and senior DOJ officials for their roles in this botched investi*gation. The report cites “a series of misguided strategies, tactics, errors in judgment, and management failures that permeated ATF Headquarters and the Phoenix Field Division, as well as the U.S. Attorney’s Office.”

President Obama remains in denial about Fast and Furious. When asked about it two weeks ago, he responded: “Well, first of all, I think it’s important to understand that the Fast and Furious program was a field-initiated program, begun under the previous administration. When Eric Holder found out about it, he discontinued it.” This is wrong on two counts. First, Operation Fast and Furious began in the fall of 2009, under the current administration. Second, it ended on December 15, 2010, the day it was discovered that two Fast and Furious weapons were found at the scene where U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was murdered. That was two full months before Attorney General Eric Holder claims to have known about the operation.

Operation Fast and Furious began in 2009, after federally licensed firearms dealers informed ATF that several individuals were purchasing large quantities of AK-47-style rifles and FN 5.7 caliber pistols. These pistols are known as “cop killers” in Mexico because the bullets fired from them can penetrate the Kevlar vests worn by law-enforcement authorities. At the time, the northern Mexican states were a veritable battlefield, where the Sinaloa and Juárez drug cartels were fighting for control and the increasingly powerful Zetas were seeking to enlarge their territory. ATF encouraged gun-store owners to continue selling to the straw purchasers it was monitoring to avoid alerting the criminals to the presence of law enforcement.

Former Mexican attorney general Victor Humberto Benítez Treviño estimates that approximately 300 Mexican citizens have been killed with Fast and Furious weapons, and hundreds of guns remain unaccounted for. Some victims had been identified even before the Univision report. For example, there was Mario Gonzalez Rodriguez — the brother of former Chihuahua state attorney general Patricia Gonzalez Rodriguez — who was kidnapped by members of the Sinaloa drug cartel in October of 2010. His tortured body was later discovered in a shallow grave. Following a shootout with Rodriquez’s suspected kidnappers, Mexican police seized 16 weapons, two of which were traced to Operation Fast and Furious.

But Univision has made some startling new and tragic connections. On the night of September 2, 2009, twelve hit men, looking for members of the Sinaloa cartel and carrying AK-47s they had acquired thanks to Fast and Furious, forced open the main door of Casa Aliviane, a drug-rehabilitation center in Ciudad Juárez. Once inside, they sprayed the building with bullets. Of the 19 young recovering addicts, 18 were killed. The massacre was ordered by José Antonio Acosta Hernandez (also known as “El Diego”), the leader of La Linea, the enforcement arm of the Juárez cartel.

At the time, Acosta Hernandez was at war with José Antonio Torres Marrufo, an enforcer — he reportedly once skinned an enemy’s face to make a soccer ball — close to Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman, the head of the Sinaloa cartel. When Mexican authorities captured Marrufo in February 2012, they found a cache of guns that included powerful anti-aircraft weapons, as well as firearms linked to Operation Fast and Furious.

According to Univision, Acosta Hernandez was behind another bloodbath involving Fast and Furious guns. On January 30, 2010, a commando unit of at least 20 hit men parked outside a house in Ciudad Juárez. A birthday party of high-school and college students was going on inside, but Hernandez mistakenly thought it was occupied by members of the Sinaloa cartel. Around midnight, his men broke into the house and opened fire on nearly 60 teenagers. Outside, lookouts gunned down a screaming neighbor and several students who tried to escape. When the hit men fled, they left 16 young people dead and twelve others wounded. Three of the weapons used that night were traced to Operation Fast and Furious. When Acosta Hernandez was finally captured in July 2010, with Fast and Furious weapons in his possession, he confessed to Mexican authorities that he was responsible for nearly 1,500 murders.

And, as if letting 2,000 high-powered guns “walk” were not enough, it appears that the Obama administration launched other gun-walking operations as well. According to Univision, “weapons from [Florida-based] Operation Castaway ended up in the hands of criminals in Colombia, Honduras and Venezuela.” And the inspector general’s report states that his office is investigating “at least one other ATF [operation] . . . that involves an individual suspected of transporting grenade components into Mexico, converting them into live grenades, and then supplying them to drug cartels.”

The Mexican government has every right to be furious about this matter. If foreign law-enforcement agents had let nearly 2,000 weapons be delivered into the hands of U.S. gang-bangers — without any notice to or coordination with the feds — there would be serious repercussions.

Operation Fast and Furious is a disaster and a disgrace. Univision and the inspector general deserve credit for attempting to get to the bottom of this mess.

Not CNN

Not Reagan

Not sending arms to defeat the Russians. Arms that would, uh, currently be outdated.



NOT sending arms to al Qaeda!!!

 

[RobDownSouth]

Uhhhh...

Did I get any credit for voting for Bob Barr? No. I still got called a "Republican" for the last four years...

Walks like a duck, talks like a duck, etc, etc....

WE GET IT

 

[phrodeau]

is your kind allergic to working? why do you love the Entitlements?

You quoted me instead of vetteman.

 

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[RobDownSouth]

It's never been proved that any Stinger Missile given to the Mujahideen was ever used against U.S. Forces in either the Iraq conflict or the present Afghanistan war. It makes a good anti-Reagan meme for little minds however.

So are you saying it was okay for President Reagan to have authorized sales of missles to Iran since there was no proven use against US troops?

Hmmmm?

 

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[RobDownSouth]

I didn't say that at all, but on the other hand it isn't right to imply those weapons wound up in the hands of al Qaeda and used against American troops.

I didn't imply those weapons were in the hands of al Qaeda. We don't know and there's no way of knowing one way or the other. I am of the position that there selling arms to an enemy of our country is wrong, regardless of the ultimate disposition of those weapons. I am wondering if you feel it is wrong also.

A simple yes or no will suffice:

Was it wrong of President Ronald Reagan to authorize the sale of missiles to Iran?

 

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[RobDownSouth]

Selling arms to an "enemy" is wrong, but

Always a "but" with you.

And what is with the quotation marks around the word enemy?

You don't consider Iran to be an enemy of the United States of America?

 

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[phrodeau]

You know, those hijackers probably got their box cutters from Wal-Mart.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The article states the idea was to help a moderate group within the Iranian government trying to achieve a rapprochement with the United States, they might not have been the real enemy within Iran, I will agree the weapons did in fact end up in the hands of the enemy. In that sense it was wrong. We do not know the actual military value of those weapons and parts, and have never been known to be used against the United States or it's personnel. None of which would have any value against us today.

Now, what does all of this have to do with Fast and Furious which did get Americans and allies killed, a program cynically designed in the first place to undermine the constitutional rights of Americans, and is actively beiing covered up by the present administration?

It has to do with the double standard that you and the stupid son of a bitch koalabear use to assess blame, as I indicated in post 1936.

It has to do with you holding President Obama as somehow "responsible" for unsubstantiated allegations, while simultaneously holding President Reagan "not responsibile" for documented presidential misconduct in selling arms to Iran.

It's all about the double standard.

 

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[doubleover]

Damn, check out this coincidence, I wonder what news report on Fast and Furious they had to shelve to get this post:

Obama appoints wife of Univision owner to UN diplomatic post

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/09/26/3022322/obama-appoints-wife-of-univision.html#storylink=cpy

Everything has a price.

 

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