The Final Rejection

[Koba]

I received this note this morning:

"Hello there! Thank you for your response. Unlike a sonnet, which has specific characteristics, the line between prose poem and narrative story is indistinct. In the case of Literotica, the defining characteristic is plot. If there is enough plot in a piece of prose, it is labeled story and published accordingly with all over Literotica's rules. The reasoning is simple: Literotica does not care to argue semantics about whether or not something is flash fiction or a prose poem based on entirely subjective reasoning. Instead, Literotica has a more objective measure in place. If there is a plot arc intrinsic to the parapraphed piece, it's a story. I hope this makes sense! If not, you are free to contact Laurel here with further questions/comments: https://forum.literotica.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=7 Otherwise, please submit this to the Story section. Thank you!"

Since my poetry is not welcome here, I will no longer participate in this site.

 

[butters]

so because one editor doesn't agree with you, you refuse to bother subbing any other pieces, reworking the one you have, reading, commenting and learning from other poets here on the forum, taking part in the challenges or other writing exercises?

sorry you feel that way

 

[bronzeage]

A rule is needed and someone has to make the rule. Arguing with a rule or a rule maker is pointless.

This is why the T-shirt which reads, "Because I'm the Mommy. That's why." is a perennial best seller.

 

[Koba]

"A rule is needed and someone has to make the rule. Arguing with a rule or a rule maker is pointless."

Well, I think it is good that not everyone feels that way; otherwise we might still be kneeling to the Queen of England.

I shall not argue any more. The rulemakers have indeed spoken. There is a reason I am not a member of the Republican party. In fact, many reasons. There is now a reason I am not a member of LitErotica. I am a poet who writes prose poetry. If this site does not recognize the validity of prose poetry there is no reason for me to be here.

 

[Angeline]

I received this note this morning:

"Hello there! Thank you for your response. Unlike a sonnet, which has specific characteristics, the line between prose poem and narrative story is indistinct. In the case of Literotica, the defining characteristic is plot. If there is enough plot in a piece of prose, it is labeled story and published accordingly with all over Literotica's rules. The reasoning is simple: Literotica does not care to argue semantics about whether or not something is flash fiction or a prose poem based on entirely subjective reasoning. Instead, Literotica has a more objective measure in place. If there is a plot arc intrinsic to the parapraphed piece, it's a story. I hope this makes sense! If not, you are free to contact Laurel here with further questions/comments: https://forum.literotica.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=7 Otherwise, please submit this to the Story section. Thank you!"

Since my poetry is not welcome here, I will no longer participate in this site.

Sorry you feel that way. I personally have never had any faith in the submissions or scoring system here at Lit. It's flawed in so many ways that, to me, it's pointless to have any kind of expectations about it. When (and if) I submit a poem here, my intention is to use Lit as an online repository for it until such time that I choose to revise it and submit it somewhere that actually has standards for publishing poetry. And if I don't do that, it just stays here for posterity.

However this forum is another story altogether. Here you can get feedback and support and the opportunity to learn and grow with others who also love writing poetry. And this forum, as opposed to the official Lit submission and publishing world, is one of the best places online to write that I've ever found. And I've looked a lot, posted at many online poetry sites. This is just the best, far and away. So why don't you reconsider and get more involved with this forum? To me, leaving Lit because you don't like the way the submissions process works is sort of like cutting off your nose to spite your own face. If you love poetry and want to write and experiment, stop submitting poems and just write here on the forum.

 

[bronzeage]

"A rule is needed and someone has to make the rule. Arguing with a rule or a rule maker is pointless."

Well, I think it is good that not everyone feels that way; otherwise we might still be kneeling to the Queen of England.

I shall not argue any more. The rulemakers have indeed spoken. There is a reason I am not a member of the Republican party. In fact, many reasons. There is now a reason I am not a member of LitErotica. I am a poet who writes prose poetry. If this site does not recognize the validity of prose poetry there is no reason for me to be here.

I also am a poet who writes prose poetry(or so I have been accused). Neither you or I get to make the rules on this site.

No one forced you to come here and no one is making you stay. You are free to declare your independence.

 

[Angeline]

I also am a poet who writes prose poetry(or so I have been accused). Neither you or I get to make the rules on this site.

No one forced you to come here and no one is making you stay. You are free to declare your independence.

Good point. I do not know anyone on this forum who has ever had anything to do with what does or doesn't get accepted for submission at Literotica.

 

[bronzeage]

Good point. I do not know anyone on this forum who has ever had anything to do with what does or doesn't get accepted for submission at Literotica.

I have read that Lolita is the world's longest prose poem, but I know a novel when I see one.

The parameters for a Lit poem are incredibly broad, if what I see posted on a daily basis is anything from which to judge. If the powers that be say it is not a poem, but acceptable as a prose submission, I think that is a very gracious gesture on their part. Rejection of such grace is just pouting.

 

[Koba]

"The parameters for a Lit poem are incredibly broad, if what I see posted on a daily basis is anything from which to judge. If the powers that be say it is not a poem, but acceptable as a prose submission, I think that is a very gracious gesture on their part. Rejection of such grace is just pouting."

Well, you could be right. I may be just a poor sport pouter. It's possible. I think it is also possible that you're a narrowminded submissive who hasn't had an independent thought in years.

But, please, do help me to see the light. I thought about accepting their gracious gesture and posting my poem as a story. When I went to do it I was given the following choices on categories to post it in.

Choose a Category
Anal
BDSM
Celebrities
Chain Stories
Erotic Couplings
Erotic Horror
Exhibitionism & Voyeurism
Fetish
First Time
Gay Male
Group Sex
How To
Humor and Satire
Illustrated
Incest & Taboo
Interracial Love
Lesbian Sex
Letters & Transcripts
Loving Wives
Mature
Mind Control
Non English
Non Erotic
Non Censensual/Reluctance
Non Human
Novels and Novellas
Reviews and Essays
Romance
Scifi & Fantasy
Text With Audio
Toys & Masturbation
Transexuals & Crossdressers

Now, I can't place it in Non Erotic as there are just too many erotic references in the poem. In fact, quite a few people interpreted the poem as being about someone obsessed with sex; one even thinking it was about a submissive male worshipping an authority figure. So I can't put it there! So, I'm a bit lost! I can't put it under Masturbation. It is in English. What do I do? To me it is a poem about Drug Addiction. There is no category for that. Although I guess it could be subliminally about buttfucking my sister while someone watches. In which case do I put it under Gay Sex, Incest, or Voyeurism?

If anyone will read my poem and tell me which of the above categories it fits into, I will post it there.

Good God!

 

[bronzeage]

"The parameters for a Lit poem are incredibly broad, if what I see posted on a daily basis is anything from which to judge. If the powers that be say it is not a poem, but acceptable as a prose submission, I think that is a very gracious gesture on their part. Rejection of such grace is just pouting."

Well, you could be right. I may be just a poor sport pouter. It's possible. I think it is also possible that you're a narrowminded submissive who hasn't had an independent thought in years.

But, please, do help me to see the light. I thought about accepting their gracious gesture and posting my poem as a story. When I went to do it I was given the following choices on categories to post it in.

Choose a Category
Anal
BDSM
Celebrities
Chain Stories
Erotic Couplings
Erotic Horror
Exhibitionism & Voyeurism
Fetish
First Time
Gay Male
Group Sex
How To
Humor and Satire
Illustrated
Incest & Taboo
Interracial Love
Lesbian Sex
Letters & Transcripts
Loving Wives
Mature
Mind Control
Non English
Non Erotic
Non Censensual/Reluctance
Non Human
Novels and Novellas
Reviews and Essays
Romance
Scifi & Fantasy
Text With Audio
Toys & Masturbation
Transexuals & Crossdressers

Now, I can't place it in Non Erotic as there are just too many erotic references in the poem. In fact, quite a few people interpreted the poem as being about someone obsessed with sex; one even thinking it was about a submissive male worshipping an authority figure. So I can't put it there! So, I'm a bit lost! I can't put it under Masturbation. It is in English. What do I do? To me it is a poem about Drug Addiction. There is no category for that. Although I guess it could be subliminally about buttfucking my sister while someone watches. In which case do I put it under Gay Sex, Incest, or Voyeurism?

If anyone will read my poem and tell me which of the above categories it fits into, I will post it there.

Good God!

A narrow minded submissive? Seriously?

I haven't read your poem, but I am a Lit volunteer editor. Send it to me in a MSWord file and I will look it over and give a recommendation. I have taken some pretty rough pieces and worked with the author to get them posted.

I'm sure we can shoehorn it into any category, except Loving Wives. Never post anything in Loving Wives.

Then, we can work on your pouting skills.

 

[Angeline]

"The parameters for a Lit poem are incredibly broad, if what I see posted on a daily basis is anything from which to judge. If the powers that be say it is not a poem, but acceptable as a prose submission, I think that is a very gracious gesture on their part. Rejection of such grace is just pouting."

Well, you could be right. I may be just a poor sport pouter. It's possible. I think it is also possible that you're a narrowminded submissive who hasn't had an independent thought in years.

But, please, do help me to see the light. I thought about accepting their gracious gesture and posting my poem as a story. When I went to do it I was given the following choices on categories to post it in.

Choose a Category
Anal
BDSM
Celebrities
Chain Stories
Erotic Couplings
Erotic Horror
Exhibitionism & Voyeurism
Fetish
First Time
Gay Male
Group Sex
How To
Humor and Satire
Illustrated
Incest & Taboo
Interracial Love
Lesbian Sex
Letters & Transcripts
Loving Wives
Mature
Mind Control
Non English
Non Erotic
Non Censensual/Reluctance
Non Human
Novels and Novellas
Reviews and Essays
Romance
Scifi & Fantasy
Text With Audio
Toys & Masturbation
Transexuals & Crossdressers

Now, I can't place it in Non Erotic as there are just too many erotic references in the poem. In fact, quite a few people interpreted the poem as being about someone obsessed with sex; one even thinking it was about a submissive male worshipping an authority figure. So I can't put it there! So, I'm a bit lost! I can't put it under Masturbation. It is in English. What do I do? To me it is a poem about Drug Addiction. There is no category for that. Although I guess it could be subliminally about buttfucking my sister while someone watches. In which case do I put it under Gay Sex, Incest, or Voyeurism?

If anyone will read my poem and tell me which of the above categories it fits into, I will post it there.

Good God!

Just out of curiosity why is it so important to you to post this particular piece here at Lit? You could, as I said earlier, just ask for feedback here. Or, if it's as good as you think, why not submit it elsewhere? Is the submission or the poem more important to you?

 

[Koba]

"A narrow minded submissive? Seriously?"

......possibly

"I haven't read your poem....."

Well, now, wait a minute! I posted it on the other thread yesterday. You haven't read it, but you make these comments about it? Seriously?


"Then, we can work on your pouting skills."

No thanks. They are already well developed.

 

[Koba]

"Just out of curiosity why is it so important to you to post this particular piece here at Lit? You could, as I said earlier, just ask for feedback here. Or, if it's as good as you think, why not submit it elsewhere? Is the submission or the poem more important to you?"


Thank you for asking. A very good question!

I have posted 68 stories and poems here at LitErotica. Early on, they were all stories, with erotic themes. I wrote a few erotic poems which were horrible. I didn't post them. But I did get better at poetry by trying. I then started to write non erotic poetry. I have posted many of them here. I then graduated to prose poetry. I have posted many of them here. There was never any problem. I think there must be about a dozen of them here on the site that I have written. No one ever disputed that they were poems. Until this last attempted posting. I cannot make any sense out of the editor's reasoning. If this one is not acceptable, why were the other dozen or so accepted? As I have stated before, I can understand how someone may not look upon what I wrote as poetry because of a lack of knowledge of what poetry is. But prose poetry has been accepted as poetry for well over a hundred years now. And on a site which purports to be at the forefront of freedom of expression I cannot understand why it is that reactionary standards are used to judge what is a poem and what isn't. I know enough to say that after reading many prose poets (Rimbaud, Ginsberg, Mary Oliver, Bob Dylan, etc, the poem I submitted is indeed a poem. To call it a "story" requires a far greater explanation than calling it a poem. My posting of the long list of possible categories for story submission was in part facetious and in part serious. My poem does not belong in a group of X rated short stories.

I think my poem is as good as I have done. I am not comparing it to what anyone else has written. I would like to see it posted here because I have posted my writings here for over 10 years. I think that is a good enough reason. This is a site that publishes poets. I am a poet. I write prose poetry.

I have posted it at another site. It was well received as a poem although I did get the usual "no rhyme", "no meter", yada, yada. I have also read it to a group of writers in my town. No one told me it was a story not a poem.

I am screaming loud here (or maybe "pouting") because as a long term member of this site I feel I deserve better treatment. I am saying I will leave not out of spite, but simply because if I write prose poetry that will not be posted here, what is the point of being here? As a 10 year member, I don't want to leave, but what is there for me here if I cannot post.

And no, I will not compromise by posting my poetry in a "story" category. I am not submissive.

 

[twelveoone]

I received this note this morning:

"Hello there! Thank you for your response. Unlike a sonnet, which has specific characteristics, the line between prose poem and narrative story is indistinct. In the case of Literotica, the defining characteristic is plot. If there is enough plot in a piece of prose, it is labeled story and published accordingly with all over Literotica's rules. The reasoning is simple: Literotica does not care to argue semantics about whether or not something is flash fiction or a prose poem based on entirely subjective reasoning. Instead, Literotica has a more objective measure in place. If there is a plot arc intrinsic to the parapraphed piece, it's a story. I hope this makes sense! If not, you are free to contact Laurel here with further questions/comments: https://forum.literotica.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=7 Otherwise, please submit this to the Story section. Thank you!"

Since my poetry is not welcome here, I will no longer participate in this site.

hey koba take the "plot arc intrinsic to the parapraphed piece" and put line breaks in it

"Unlike a sonnet, which has specific characteristics" like 14 lines give or take a few, some kind of change in the middle

I am telling you it is not going to do you a lot of good getting it posted in new poems anyway.

 

[twelveoone]

did you send this in a word doc or did you paste in the box?

 

[Angeline]

did you send this in a word doc or did you paste in the box?

I don't think that would matter since the refusal to recognize it as a poem is based solely on the word count. This has happened to others, too. I remember Champagne once wrote an epic poem for a Halloween contest we were having here on the forum and it had to be submitted as a story. But if you looked at it, it clearly wasn't written in prose sentence lengths. And I believe it also rhymed. It's all about the word count to them.

The ironic thing is that only stories here at Lit can win money prizes. There is no such counterpart for poems. But one could, theoretically write a long poem and win "best story of the month."

And Koba, I totally get that you are frustrated. I've read your poems over the years here and I know you can write. To me, it just seems like if you know that whoever approves the new submissions here does not a) care about genres of poetry and b) rarely shows any sign of caring about the quality of poems here (the occasional and sometimes inexplicable award of the E being the exception), why would having it accepted or not even matter? I read your explanation, but I guess I just don't get it. It seems like a waste of energy that could be better spent on writing more poems.

 

[The_Fool]

I don't think that would matter since the refusal to recognize it as a poem is based solely on the word count. This has happened to others, too. I remember Champagne once wrote an epic poem for a Halloween contest we were having here on the forum and it had to be submitted as a story. But if you looked at it, it clearly wasn't written in prose sentence lengths. And I believe it also rhymed. It's all about the word count to them.

The ironic thing is that only stories here at Lit can win money prizes. There is no such counterpart for poems. But one could, theoretically write a long poem and win "best story of the month."

And Koba, I totally get that you are frustrated. I've read your poems over the years here and I know you can write. To me, it just seems like if you know that whoever approves the new submissions here does not a) care about genres of poetry and b) rarely shows any sign of caring about the quality of poems here (the occasional and sometimes inexplicable award of the E being the exception), why would having it accepted or not even matter? I read your explanation, but I guess I just don't get it. It seems like a waste of energy that could be better spent on writing more poems.

I remember that halloween contest. I lost the poem that I wrote for it. I liked it too. Well, as much as I like anything I write...

 

[bronzeage]

"A narrow minded submissive? Seriously?"

......possibly

"I haven't read your poem....."

Well, now, wait a minute! I posted it on the other thread yesterday. You haven't read it, but you make these comments about it? Seriously?


"Then, we can work on your pouting skills."

No thanks. They are already well developed.

Yes, I missed it. I've been responding to your statements and offered help. I have not issued any judgment on your poem or whatever it is.

One more bit of advice: Lighten up, Francis. It's not worth this much grief.

 

[Koba]

"I don't think that would matter since the refusal to recognize it as a poem is based solely on the word count."

No, that is not true. I have posted longer poems here including one (god) that I think is about four times as long. They are refusing to post it because they say that it contains a "plot". I asked them to explain to me what the plot is but they won't. I really don't know what the plot is. It is a poem about Drug Addiction, pure and simple.

 

[Koba]

"why would having it accepted or not even matter? I read your explanation, but I guess I just don't get it. It seems like a waste of energy that could be better spent on writing more poems. "

Yes, you are probably right. I think that probably the problem is that I put my heart and soul into my poetry, and that poem is extremely personal to me. I can deal with criticism of it but calling it a story to me is like someone pissing on it. And again, what difference does it make? Maybe none. But I do fight for what I believe in. And yes, this may be a misplaced battle but so be it.

 

[butters]

"why would having it accepted or not even matter? I read your explanation, but I guess I just don't get it. It seems like a waste of energy that could be better spent on writing more poems. "

Yes, you are probably right. I think that probably the problem is that I put my heart and soul into my poetry, and that poem is extremely personal to me. I can deal with criticism of it but calling it a story to me is like someone pissing on it. And again, what difference does it make? Maybe none. But I do fight for what I believe in. And yes, this may be a misplaced battle but so be it.

we get that you're passionate about your creations - so many poets are it's par for the course. and there's nothing wrong with fighting for what you believe in; i don't feel anyone's suggesting that. the fact remains that you've been able to use Lit as a venue to show your writes to a far wider audience than you would have found if you hadn't used Lit - and it didn't cost you a single penny. or cent/whatever currency you choose here. so you HAVE gained something by using this free site. now, because someone, somewhere, chooses to disagree with you - and i am not saying they were right or wrong, for the life of me i struggle to fit this piece into either category - you shout the odds, throw slurs at other members here, and generally flounce about telling us you're too good for here. why not simply accept you are not going to get them to change their minds on this one and continue taking what you can get from this site (for free) or move on to another where you feel you are more appreciated? you don't have to win every battle to win the war.

i hope you continue to enjoy writing, wherever you decide to post it, but i am a bit fed up of people who take from this place and then get all arsey if it doesn't all go their way. there are many other free sites out there, and even more where you have to pay to join. and it's not just you, i'm tired of some of the newcomers who jump in, post something, expect us all to say wonderful things about it - reading and forming coherent commentary on a write takes time, our time - and yet proclaim they have absolutely no intention of responding in kind to the work of other members here. i am tired of selfish people and drama-llamas, so excuse my rambling which is not intended to offend you.

good luck.

 

[twelveoone]

i hope you continue to enjoy writing, wherever you decide to post it, but i am a bit fed up of people who take from this place and then get all arsey if it doesn't all go their way. there are many other free sites out there, and even more where you have to pay to join. and it's not just you, i'm tired of some of the newcomers who jump in, post something, expect us all to say wonderful things about it - reading and forming coherent commentary on a write takes time, our time - and yet proclaim they have absolutely no intention of responding in kind to the work of other members here. i am tired of selfish people and drama-llamas, so excuse my rambling which is not intended to offend you.

good luck.

whelp, there goes my reason for existence, i was just going to post one, something about getting fucked in the ass by king midas
just kidding
but i am glad to see this, even better, seeing comments over there, speaking of asses - kiss, I don't do that often.

 

[Koba]

we get that you're passionate about your creations - so many poets are it's par for the course. and there's nothing wrong with fighting for what you believe in; i don't feel anyone's suggesting that. the fact remains that you've been able to use Lit as a venue to show your writes to a far wider audience than you would have found if you hadn't used Lit - and it didn't cost you a single penny. or cent/whatever currency you choose here. so you HAVE gained something by using this free site. now, because someone, somewhere, chooses to disagree with you - and i am not saying they were right or wrong, for the life of me i struggle to fit this piece into either category - you shout the odds, throw slurs at other members here, and generally flounce about telling us you're too good for here. why not simply accept you are not going to get them to change their minds on this one and continue taking what you can get from this site (for free) or move on to another where you feel you are more appreciated? you don't have to win every battle to win the war.

i hope you continue to enjoy writing, wherever you decide to post it, but i am a bit fed up of people who take from this place and then get all arsey if it doesn't all go their way. there are many other free sites out there, and even more where you have to pay to join. and it's not just you, i'm tired of some of the newcomers who jump in, post something, expect us all to say wonderful things about it - reading and forming coherent commentary on a write takes time, our time - and yet proclaim they have absolutely no intention of responding in kind to the work of other members here. i am tired of selfish people and drama-llamas, so excuse my rambling which is not intended to offend you.

good luck.

Thank you. You have emphasized numerous times that this is a free site and I should be grateful for that. Why? Gmail is free, yahoo is free, Facebook is free. Yes, it is nice for the members that it is free but the reality is that they are in existence because they make money off advertising, not because they are being altruistic to their members.

I have never stated that I am too good for here. I actually have kept a very low profile, until now. I have in 10 years made 57 posts to these Forums. I have not tried to rule the place. I have simply posted my stories and poems for whatever that is worth. I have critiqued many other writers mainly when I am on a reviewing streak. I have given as well as taken. However, there is no doubt that there is a little social club that has formed here consisting of members that post a staggering number of times. The rule is that no one questions these folks, they are upper class members. Well, I'm sorry, but I have no desire to join your club.

I am leaving because there is nothing here for me. I cannot post my poetry. That is the primary reason. I am not happy with that. And yes, this site will continue without me, for sure. I'm sure you will stay despite the fact that "you are fed up with people who take from this place", "tired of newcomers" who don't follow your lead, "selfish people and drama llamas". In other words, anyone who isn't in your club. There seems to be a lot of people you don't like here. Enjoy the frustration!

 

[butters]

Thank you. You have emphasized numerous times that this is a free site and I should be grateful for that. Why? Gmail is free, yahoo is free, Facebook is free. Yes, it is nice for the members that it is free but the reality is that they are in existence because they make money off advertising, not because they are being altruistic to their members.

I have never stated that I am too good for here. I actually have kept a very low profile, until now. I have in 10 years made 57 posts to these Forums. I have not tried to rule the place. I have simply posted my stories and poems for whatever that is worth. I have critiqued many other writers mainly when I am on a reviewing streak. I have given as well as taken. However, there is no doubt that there is a little social club that has formed here consisting of members that post a staggering number of times. The rule is that no one questions these folks, they are upper class members. Well, I'm sorry, but I have no desire to join your club.

I am leaving because there is nothing here for me. I cannot post my poetry. That is the primary reason. I am not happy with that. And yes, this site will continue without me, for sure. I'm sure you will stay despite the fact that "you are fed up with people who take from this place", "tired of newcomers" who don't follow your lead, "selfish people and drama llamas". In other words, anyone who isn't in your club. There seems to be a lot of people you don't like here. Enjoy the frustration!

you should be grateful because this site offers you the chance to expose your writing to a much larger number of readers than if it wasn't here, and that it demands very little of you in return.

I cannot post my poetry

really? you said you'd posted lots of stories AND poems. so what you mean is "I cannot post THIS poem"

as for the rest, your cliquish references, well that's just a crock of shit and we know it. post count has nothing at all to do with how we view another writer's talents. you could be a virgin or multi-published, makes no odds to me at all - i address each write as i find it. and yes, you do seem to have an inflated opinion of your own creations - fine, but accept not everyone will share that.

i like most people here, and even those i don't i tend to be able to communicate with civility.

enjoy writing elsewhere.

 

[Koba]

really? you said you'd posted lots of stories AND poems. so what you mean is "I cannot post THIS poem"

as for the rest, your cliquish references, well that's just a crock of shit and we know it. post count has nothing at all to do with how we view another writer's talents. you could be a virgin or multi-published, makes no odds to me at all - i address each write as i find it. and yes, you do seem to have an inflated opinion of your own creations - fine, but accept not everyone will share that.

i like most people here, and even those i don't i tend to be able to communicate with civility.

enjoy writing elsewhere
=========


Thank you! I might!

And the idea that there is not a clique going on here is the most absurd thing I've seen posted here in the last few days. There is a small group that closes rank and gangs up on anyone who has the audacity to disagree with their well established wisdom and experience. The LillyRose poem is certainly an example. And how you could have the gall to almost demand that she thank you for a rotten bit of reviewing is beyond my view.

There is no clique here? Bronzeage contributes all kinds of snide comments during my thread, calling me a pouter etc. He says all these things about a poem HE HASN"T EVEN READ. When I give back you come on and tell me I'm being rude to him. TwelveOne posts a poem which seems to be sarcastically copying the style that I used in mine and BronzeAge practically has an orgasm describing the genius of the write. LillyRose bites back after TwelveOne's obnoxious review and you jump in saying TwelveOne belongs on Olympus.

There is no clique here? Please!

".......your cliquish references, well that's just a crock of shit and we know it. post count has nothing at all to do with how we view another writer's"

Yes, "WE know it"....exactly, you said it perfectly.