Realism versus fantasy in porn.

[Thefamiliar]

People who fantasize about rape, are more about the loss of inhibition than actual rape.

People who have been raped should be able to read a story and tell if the author is fantasizing or has had experience within the realm.

I can pen rape either way, truly convincing infact I got a talking to by a teacher in highschool because I went that route in a purely fantasy story. (dragons and magic and such, a teen was raped by her stepfather)

I am not a sick and twisted individual who gets off on pain. I will give you a good guess as to why I can write it in all its dimensions so well.

Rape as a fantasy is a way to make it "ok" and avoid owning the true want. Its domination, aggression and generly in a fantasy about it, one does not imagine the pain that goes along with it. If the fa.tasy is a stroke fantasy, the male still takes the time to make sure the woman is turned on. In true rape, that never happens.

In truth, humiliation stories offend me a hundred times more than rape. Because rape is a very real daily part of life. It happens, and the victims are much stronger than anyone would like to give them credit for. Rape does not define the victim.

Incest on the other hand is about the anticipation. There is always the build up to the sex because they shouldn't, it forces the mind to think about it, then the physical tease, then the sex. Its often the best for stroke because it has all three stages. I am surprised no one else has noticed.

A priest story, or noble/serf etc. Has the same potential. Though more people can identify as readers when it comes to family. They know what its like to be a mother, daughter, father, son, brother or sister. Not so much with a priest, or king or other such things.

Kind of amusing that more thought is put into convincing the reader about incest than any other kind of story. Is it laziness?

Yes, I do like a good non con or incest story if its written well. But I am not wishing for these things in reality, nor do I typically fantasize about such things in my own free time. If you can't seperate the story from reality sexual or not, you need a lot more help than "banning" a certain type of story.

 

[Stella_Omega]

If you go to the fetish and sexuality forum, you will find a fuckton of posts from guys-- and a few women, or people who claim to be women-- who wish that their mothers or sisters, or aunties or fathers or sons-in-law would fuck them, and talk about ways to make it happen. They love to read the stories here on lit, and those incest stories create the perception that incest is possible and achievable.

It really could be said that incest writers are not doing the female members of those families any damn good by writing incest as something reasonable.

 

[lovecraft68]

See, Lovecraft knows someone who was hurt by rape, but he doesn't know anyone who has been hurt by incest.

That's how he knows incest is okay to fantasize about.

Untrue, I am good friends with a woman who was sexually abused by her father.

However, I still see it as rape or pedophilia more than incest although it is of course.

I do however feel there is a strong difference in over 18 fantasy consensual incest "glorified" here as a fun taboo escape, It is not people molesting their children

Pure rape stories glorify the actual crime of rape. No two ways about it.

I believe in freedom of speech for them to write it and the freedom for popel to read it.

My points are if you are into to that degree and are male you would do it-and again I am talking the straight up rape stories-

My other point is simply for the site to stop taking their fake stance about it.

 

[R. Richard]

To me, incest is in a fantasy realm anyway, no matter how realistic an author may make it. So once you have family members having sex, moving on to something else like the suggested threesome isn't really that much of a leap.

My incest novel, Friday Night, manages to present what I think is a realistic scenario where there are two different groups of people engaged in incestuous relationships. There are reasons why the people are involved in incestuous sex, but not really sexual attraction, as such.
My point is that a good plot can move things out of the fantasy realm, into more or less mainstream. JMHO.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Untrue, I am good friends with a woman who was sexually abused by her father.

However, I still see it as rape or pedophilia more than incest although it is of course.

I do however feel there is a strong difference in over 18 fantasy consensual incest "glorified" here as a fun taboo escape, It is not people molesting their children

Pure rape stories glorify the actual crime of rape. No two ways about it.

I believe in freedom of speech for them to write it and the freedom for popel to read it.

My points are if you are into to that degree and are male you would do it-and again I am talking the straight up rape stories-

My other point is simply for the site to stop taking their fake stance about it.

Incest stories glorify the actual crime of incest. No two ways about it.

And in fact there is evidence on the fetish forum, that some men are nearly willing to rape their female family members because of that glorification. If, as you state, men who are so into rape will end up raping-- here's another part of that same equation.

I believe in freedom of speech and the freedom for people to read about incest but don't be pointing fingers at the glorification you happen to not be doing, whilst ignoring the glorification you are doing.

 

[dldavito]

Once you have realistic characters--with personalities and chemistry that work alone and together--you can do pretty much anything with them (as long as it's in character) and still keep my interest.

It doesn't matter to me if those characters, with their realistic personalities and actions, enter some sort of bizarro earth where everyone is gorgeous, has incredible stamina and recovery time, etc.; I'll accept those extraordinary physical characteristics if I think the two personalities are ordinary.

As for incest, realism doesn't even get off the starting line, since I can't see how an otherwise normal and well-adjusted individual would want to fuck a relative. To take LC's opening, I can't imagine a non-psychologically disturbed person saying, "gee, my spouse died--time to fuck my kid!" and I have no interest in reading a story where the characters are actually fucked up enough to engage in incest.

I'm standing next to Tatyana (and several others on this string) who believe that incest, sex with minors, and forced rape are not one bit appealing.

What ever happened to good old fucking between consenting adults? When written right, that can be erotic as hell.
- DLD

 

[Stella_Omega]

I'm standing next to Tatyana (and several others on this string) who believe that incest, sex with minors, and forced rape are not one bit appealing.

What ever happened to good old fucking between consenting adults? When written right, that can be erotic as hell.
- DLD

Try the erotic encounters category.

 

[Gradariun]

My point is, is there really a call for realism or at the end of the day do they all just want the out of control porn world?

Realism. My guess is when someone is requesting the five-some with Aunt Jean, Momma, Grandma, and the school principal, that person wants to see if you, the realistic writer, can bring such a grand scenario to reality in a similar fashion that you brought mother and son together.

After all, you made what is in today's age, a great fantasy come to life. I think people may request such feats of you without as much thought as you or I may put into it.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

George V. Higgins is one of my favorite authors, he wrote a diaper load of books and died. But erotica he's not noted for. His books contain sex but the sex is incidental to the story. That said, the sex he writes seems realistic and congruent with the personalities of his characters. Its not boner material but it does seem like real sex.

 

[lovecraft68]

You know something else I'd like to put out there in the defense of the incest section which of course has a "bad rap" here.

Incest along with probably gay male is a you like it or it appalls you type of category. If you don;t like it you hate it.

Now of course the category has a load of ridiculous Scouries like stories where all daughters want to fuck their fathers and brothers all at the same time.

Stories where a brother has sex with his sister because she looked goo d and when mom and dad come in they join in. Right now the most popular series in incest is a mind numbingly stupid series where a brother is fucking all four of his sisters.

But also what there is a lot of with alwayswantedtoo and candlelight062 and myself leading the way is romance.

What no one here gets is there are many people there who look for the emotional attraction as well as the sexual, for the taboo of falling in love with the one person in the word they're not supposed to.

In that respect many stories there are far more well crafted and well done than the generic stories floating around in the normal "kink" categories.

No one who reads there wants to read about 6 year olds being attacked by their fathers or uncles. Those that do know they have ASSTR for that.

Again the incest here is unplausible, unrealistic, fun fantasy scenarios.

The rape stories are that of pure rape as it happens every day. There is no stretch this is about the crime pure and simple.

I have twice reported a story-and no for a fact a couple of others I know have as well- where a woman was tied over a copier and as she screamed and cried for mercy was not only raped but had pens and pencils shoved in her ass and pussy. I hit the report button as well as sent a pm.

last look its still there and even some of the public comments are people who are appalled by it.

Have a 30 year old person say in a story that they licked a girls pussy when they were 14 and that gets the boot. Because lit does care about the under age rule.

Again, to me all it boils down to is hypocrisy and lies.

If the site was truly against rape stories

THEY WOULD NOT HAVE A SECTION CALLED NON-CONSENT. RELUCTANCE IS NOT RAPE. NON-CONSENT BY DEFINITION IS A WOMAN(OR MAN) FORCED INTO SEX AGAINST THEIR WILL.

SO BY DEFINITION RAPE-RAPE-RAPE AND RAPE.

Now go ahead brown nosing lemmings of literotica fault that last statement.

 

[Wyldfire]

I've long been very vocal about this subject, but recently I have been thinking about it again. I can get the fantasy part of it all. I think I can. It's sort of like the whole fantasy rape thing, it's a taboo fetish similar to necrophilia and beastiality. It's one of those things.

Some folk are into just about anything.

Been there done that on the real side in a few of the above. So, ya know what the hell, let's all fantasize about fantasy raping the dead family dog huh?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Its the same shit that goes on over at BDSM. A whole lotta losers put on their capes and masks, and pretend to be whatever though nuthins really gonna happen.

 

[PennLady]

Have a 30 year old person say in a story that they licked a girls pussy when they were 14 and that gets the boot. Because lit does care about the under age rule.

Again, to me all it boils down to is hypocrisy and lies.

Or boils down to one person reading all the stories and missing some. Why the reported story wasn't taken down, I can't answer as I haven't read the story and don't want to. I'd say you should keep reporting it.

And if the hypocrisy and lies bother you so much, why do you keep posting here?

The category name, I would grant you, seems to contradict their no-rape policy. On the other hand, not every category name is perfect, and "Loving Wives" would be the perfect example. It could be that by trying to give an idea of what a category is about, they chose descriptive words that proved not the best choice.

 

[damppanties]

And if the hypocrisy and lies bother you so much, why do you keep posting here?

Because it's a free place with a readymade audience that reads his stories and gives him attention and replies to his rants of course.

 

[Wyldfire]

I think the hypocrisy isn't on the part of the site as much as the "authors" that want to try to candy coat the genre. Romance in incest? Really? Uh huh, sure. Let's romanticize the love between the woman and her steed too okay?

Face it Lovecraft, you're advocating relations within your own gene pool. There's a reason it's "taboo". In my time here at Lit I have found it is amazing how many supposedly urbane people are displaying their link to their backwoods gene pool. Really, sex with a member of the family? *sigh* I bet the next phase of this is "Oh how hot Mom looks in her coffin...."

 

[Stella_Omega]

You know something else I'd like to put out there in the defense of the incest section which of course has a "bad rap" here.
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Now go ahead brown nosing lemmings of literotica fault that last statement.

Incest doesn't have a "bad rap" here, your hypocrisy does.

 

[topace]

I'm not getting even close to this debate!

 

[R. Richard]

SO BY DEFINITION RAPE-RAPE-RAPE AND RAPE.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

Now go ahead brown nosing lemmings of literotica fault that last statement.

I attended a trial, down South. The 'victim' testified that she had been raped. "It wouldn't have been so bad, if it had just happened once, but every time I went out with him, it was rape, rape, rape."

 

[Stella_Omega]

I attended a trial, down South. The 'victim' testified that she had been raped. "It wouldn't have been so bad, if it had just happened once, but every time I went out with him, it was rape, rape, rape."

I read that in Playboy's joke pages, decades ago. It isn't as funny as it was in the sixties.

 

[GobletHolly182]

So I'm getting good votes comments, but keep getting "do a sequel where they have a threesome with the girlfriend.

Good writing makes the fantastical seem realistic. Take it as a compliment. The readers leaving these comments aren't savvy enough to understand characterization. They just like the idea of incestuous threesomes, and they like you, so they trust that you can make it work. If you actually tried writing something with blatantly inconsistent characterization, those same readers would probably not enjoy it as much as your more realistic work, but they wouldn't be able to explain why.

Just to be clear, are we talking about legitimate incest?