The Power of a Voice

[blobfish]

Whats wrong with racists? I've done lotsa good for blacks and not liked them the whole time I was helping them.

I think that racists are just old-fashioned. Most of you are harmless.

 

[Recidiva]

For you, it's a pattern.

Yes, Rory, I speak to racists. I'm related to racists. I don't slit their throats physically or socially immediately upon meeting them or greeting them and I can converse with them on that subject and others with a relative level of civility if not approval.

I'm not denying it.

That doesn't, however, make me a racist.

 

[blobfish]

Yes, Rory, I speak to racists. I'm related to racists. I don't slit their throats physically or socially immediately upon meeting them or greeting them and I can converse with them on that subject and others with a relative level of civility if not approval.

I'm not denying it.

That doesn't, however, make me a racist.

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/btb/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/mccarthy.jpg

 

[RoryN]

Yes, Rory, I speak to racists. I'm related to racists. I don't slit their throats physically or socially immediately upon meeting them or greeting them and I can converse with them on that subject and others with a relative level of civility if not approval.

I'm not denying it.

That doesn't, however, make me a racist.

I don't converse civily with pedophiles. Or violent criminals.

I guess I lack that special sophistication...

 

[Recidiva]

I don't converse with pedophiles. Or violent criminals.

I guess I lack that special sophistication...

Well, I still talk to you too. Take that as an insult.

I don't consider you a bastion of morality. You're a hate monger and you can't stand to see people continue to be civil when you'd prefer to see the arterial spray.

You like to stir shit just as much as JBJ, you just aren't as honest about your motives.

 

[blobfish]

I don't converse civily with pedophiles. Or violent criminals.

I guess I lack that special sophistication...

Lots of nice folks do, though. Even the most heinous criminals should not be completely defined by one facet of their identities.

 

[RoryN]

I don't consider you a bastion of morality. You're a hate monger and you can't stand to see people continue to be civil when you'd prefer to see the arterial spray.

Pointing out people's allegiances to those who spew hate makes one a "hate monger"? Hmm. Your definition seems a little bias-heavy.

You like to stir shit just as much as JBJ, you just aren't as honest about your motives.

A lie. I've always been honest about my motives. I irritate bad people for the sake of irritating bad people.

 

[Recidiva]

I apologize for using the words "hate monger." That was lazy and I should do better. But I didn't.

I still can't apparently because I don't care enough and Rory should be given something stereotypically stale.

I've decided it fits.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

J and I would agree that we are not friends. Speaking civilly is not a friendship. It's a detente.

This is why you're a good person. Me, my inner Buddha dries up in the face of constant bullshit entitled inconsideration for selfish entertainment or disposable rhetoric...and that well of compassion credit doesn't get a bailout refill.

They can have their fun. I have bottles of good stuff reserved to pop for certain people when the earth decides to take back the carbon reserve they're borrowing...and if I'm around to catch that good news, that joy of knowing they can't come back is good enough for me to take the edge off.

 

[Recidiva]

Pointing out people's allegiances to those who spew hate makes one a "hate monger"? Hmm. Your definition seems a little bias-heavy.



A lie. I've always been honest about my motives. I irritate bad people for the sake of irritating bad people.

Yeah, that was not well done at least in a literary sense, but I just can't seem to get worked up over this argument enough to put any actual thought in it. I'm watching the Olympics and playing Dragon Age and I don't really care about your opinion or your motives. So...there you go.

Your honest with other people about the lies you tell yourself.

 

[RoryN]

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/btb/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/mccarthy.jpg

The right fringe still idolizes Mr. McCarthy. And yet they cry over the "racist" labels. Love the irony.

Lots of nice folks do, though.

I disagree. I certainly don't know lots of nice folks who talk with pedophiles and violent criminals.

 

[blobfish]

This is why you're a good person. Me, my inner Buddha dries up in the face of constant bullshit entitled inconsideration for selfish entertainment or disposable rhetoric...and that well of compassion credit doesn't get a bailout refill.

They can have their fun. I have bottles of good stuff reserved to pop for certain people when the earth decides to take back the carbon reserve they're borrowing...and if I'm around to catch that good news, that joy of knowing they can't come back is good enough for me to take the edge off.

Are you a Bhuddist? If so, Guatama might be ashamed.

 

[neci]

i have sensitive ears.

 

[blobfish]

I disagree. I certainly don't know lots of nice folks who talk with pedophiles and violent criminals.

Well, I don't know the people personally, but they do. Do you really believe that no pedophile has friends that know of his past?

 

[RoryN]

Do you really believe that no pedophile has friends that know of his past?

I'm sure they do.

I just wouldn't want to hang out with them.

 

[Recidiva]

This is why you're a good person. Me, my inner Buddha dries up in the face of constant bullshit entitled inconsideration for selfish entertainment or disposable rhetoric...and that well of compassion credit doesn't get a bailout refill.

They can have their fun. I have bottles of good stuff reserved to pop for certain people when the earth decides to take back the carbon reserve they're borrowing...and if I'm around to catch that good news, that joy of knowing they can't come back is good enough for me to take the edge off.

No, I don't think it makes me a good person. I have a really long ignore list. JBJ is an actual human being and he presents himself that way. I don't know if I'm going to get something vile, something useful or something funny in his responses. If I start a thread on "what are you reading" and "what do you think of this subject" it's worth talking to him.

When I come online it's for my own motives and my own amusement and it's often to gather some information. He has information. It's really that simple.

I've gotten excellent tips here from some horrible people.

If someone is consistent in giving me the good stuff and I can avoid the bad stuff or mock it or call them on it and not JUST get back spewed bullshit over time, then why not?

I choose engagement when I think the cause is not entirely lost. In JBJ's case, the cause is intelligent conversation and occasional tips on what's good to read or his life experiences or a debate on what the fuck is going on in his head.

If someone else doesn't get something out of it, then fine, they're free to put him on ignore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G14i7ickh1w

He makes good jam. I won't deny one fact to gain some sort of social advantage. He earns what he earns.

Rory's the politician in that clip.

 

[blobfish]

I'm sure they do.

I just wouldn't want to hang out with them.

Well yeah, that's understandable. There's definitely a gross factor there. I wouldn't want to hang out with some weird old man that was always spouting racist diatribes, but being on the internet is different. I can just log out if I get bored or annoyed.

 

[Recidiva]

i have sensitive ears.

Do you have any funny sensitive hearing stories?

When I moved here I kept hearing beeps and I'd jump up..."Did you hear that? There's that beeping!"

Ulaven said I was crazy. Intermittent fucking beeping over years and I never was in the position to find it until I finally found a digital watch with an alarm stuck in the back of a drawer.

Or the time I figured out where a leak was on a pipe because I could hear a hiss and locate it down and through concrete.

He doesn't call me crazy any more.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I think the only thing I ever tried was to get people deeply offended by you to put you on ignore and stop spraying emotional arterial blood all over the boards. It wasn't a political argument, it was a specific incident with real people grieving. I was less an adversary than someone attempting to broker a deal.

I failed pretty miserably. I was told that sensitivity has rights over free speech and I disagreed.

I was on the side of limiting the injuries to the sensitive without calling for your expulsion from the board or further moderation of the board. I was just trying to do the compromise thingy and neither you nor others agreed with me in the least and would prefer to brawl. So...okay.

So the sensitive shun me and I'm left to talk to you. I win, right? I ended up having to put many of the sensitive on ignore because I was then the bad guy.

I have had you on and off ignore in different travels to and from the board, but not this time. I think I'm just not really surprised by anything you would say and you'll give me answers as to your motivations.

IRL I've had some hellacious battles with very nice people who were determined to hurt other people who vied with them for love. I happen to think that if youre an MD its not a nice thing if you use your prestige and authority and position to hurt another woman who likes the same guy as you. In this one case the MD went nutz when her honey flirted with a mom who brought her child to the ER. The MD did some bad deeds, and I was the one who had to sort it all out. Lotsa bad things happened to the MD after my report was submitted. Plenty of other MDs hated me and made problems for me. But I collected the facts, did what was right, and let the chips fall. The MD I destroyed is a lovely, sweet, angelic person...unless she's jealous.

One of the MDs friends killed a kid, and I hung that around his neck after he blamed the kids mom. He's a nice doctor everyone admires, and he killed a baby, and didnt have the balls to admit his error.

The world is fulla great people who fail.

 

[neci]

Do you have any funny sensitive hearing stories?

When I moved here I kept hearing beeps and I'd jump up..."Did you hear that? There's that beeping!"

Ulaven said I was crazy. Intermittent fucking beeping over years and I never was in the position to find it until I finally found a digital watch with an alarm stuck in the back of a drawer.

Or the time I figured out where a leak was on a pipe because I could hear a hiss and locate it down and through concrete.

He doesn't call me crazy any more.

i hate beeping! i can't really think of any funny stories at the moment. loud sounds irritate me, and i can only sleep with the sound of a fan. as for voices... i remember this man i met once, whose voice was as slimy as he was. gave me the creeps every time i had to talk to him.

 

[Recidiva]

IRL I've had some hellacious battles with very nice people who were determined to hurt other people who vied with them for love. I happen to think that if youre an MD its not a nice thing if you use your prestige and authority and position to hurt another woman who likes the same guy as you. In this one case the MD went nutz when her honey flirted with a mom who brought her child to the ER. The MD did some bad deeds, and I was the one who had to sort it all out. Lotsa bad things happened to the MD after my report was submitted. Plenty of other MDs hated me and made problems for me. But I collected the facts, did what was right, and let the chips fall. The MD I destroyed is a lovely, sweet, angelic person...unless she's jealous.

One of the MDs friends killed a kid, and I hung that around his neck after he blamed the kids mom. He's a nice doctor everyone admires, and he killed a baby, and didnt have the balls to admit his error.

The world is fulla great people who fail.

I will not become a zealot. I don't think defending someone from zealotry makes me one.

I have no real reason to doubt your experiences or stories and I think you'd pet a kitten and then despair about all the shit that's going to happen to that poor kitten in this world. I'll pet a kitten and hope it has a decent future. We'd probably both be forced to take it in and care for it under extreme circumstances and then bitch at ourself at what idiots we are. I tell my son...cute will screw you over, every time.

I think you've earned your point of view and no amouint of anybody online saying whatever is going to change that unless it impacts reality.

 

[Recidiva]

i hate beeping! i can't really think of any funny stories at the moment. loud sounds irritate me, and i can only sleep with the sound of a fan. as for voices... i remember this man i met once, whose voice was as slimy as he was. gave me the creeps every time i had to talk to him.

Oh yeah, we have a fan. I actually have to drug myself to sleep or I'll wake up to every sound. Part and parcel to an inquisitive mind that doesn't know how the hell to stop being inquisitive despite health risks.

I can't hang around repetitive things because my brain will focus on the sound. If my son's playing Mario Brothers I can here the theme music eating up brain and processing space and I have to...make...it...stop. I can't ignore a sound like other people appear to be able to do.

Ulaven was a big "background noise" person when I moved in. He has some hearing loss from not wearing sufficient ear protection while running drills in the military. He gave up his habits of loud and that counts as true love. His only way of waking up was to set a very loud alarm across the room and then be forced to get up to turn it off. I was actually known to flee the room in tears.

Sleep kicks my ass and I lose all the defenses I have otherwise.

 

[girlsmiley]

Speaking of voice, what the heck does "gives good voice" mean?

I sing quite well (not 'very' well) and I've heard people say this, but have no idea what it means.

 

[Recidiva]

Speaking of voice, what the heck does "gives good voice" mean?

I sing quite well (not 'very' well) and I've heard people say this, but have no idea what it means.

Means people like to listen to you talk.

I've had people say that...that it doesn't matter what I say, just that I say it. Sounds insulting, but I get it.

I give good voice. It's like giving good backrubs. Just means you're worth listening to no matter what you say.

Some people, I would be rapt to hear them read the phone book, then when it was over, demand they read it again, this time with me recording it.

 

[girlsmiley]

Means people like to listen to you talk.

I've had people say that...that it doesn't matter what I say, just that I say it. Sounds insulting, but I get it.

I give good voice. It's like giving good backrubs. Just means you're worth listening to no matter what you say.

Some people, I would be rapt to hear them read the phone book, then when it was over, demand they read it again, this time with me recording it.

Thanks for explaining that, Rex.

I know bg gives good voice. She has a really nice voice.