Obama Care, How Will Be Judged On Thursday?

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[Byron In Exile]

Its not that much of a victory. Honestly Obama was kinda screwed no matter the outcome. Yes, the ACA has been upheld, however now he has this tax issue, and lets be honest, the word "tax" gives many Americans hives.

The shit will hit the fan in 2014, after it's too late to affect Obama.

 

[Adre]

So far, Busy is the only gracious loser and voice of reason here

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Fuck off, "Ulaven Underscore Demorte."

Seriously, who told you that your opinion matters to anyone but you?

This is a major victory for our blithering idiot of a President and a huge opportunity for know-nothing sycophants of his, such as yourself, to give him a great big virtual blowjob.

Get to it.

Go cry into your pillow, after a drink or four of course, lush.

 

[Adre]

The shit will hit the fan in 2014, after it's too late to affect Obama.

He will still be sleeping in the same bed in 2014.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Go cry into your pillow, after a drink or four of course, lush.

What part of "fuck off" did you not get?

You have nothing to offer.

 

[Byron In Exile]

He will still be sleeping in the same bed in 2014.

And he can't be turned out of it for two more years after that.

The election is this November.

 

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[Ulaven_Demorte]

What part of "fuck off" did you not get?

You have nothing to offer.

Sorry douche, your dismissal means exactly jack shit.

Sad angry loser drunkards have zero authority.

 

[busybody..]

So far, Busy is the only gracious loser and voice of reason here

one has to face reality


the "people" want what they THINK is in it.....and they HOPE someone else pays for it


it will NEVER BE REPEALED.....NEVER

how many know that NEW MEDICAL DEVICES are now taxed? how many know how EXPENSIVE it really will be? how many know how detrimental it will be for small/growing businesses? how many know how negatively it has impacted hiring?


NO ONE CARES....ITS SOMEONE ELSE'S PROBLEM...AS LONG AS I GET MY GOODIES

 

[Byron In Exile]

Sorry douche, your dismissal means exactly jack shit.

Sad angry loser drunkards have zero authority.

And, who has authority, exactly?

 

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[busybody..]

one has to face reality


the "people" want what they THINK is in it.....and they HOPE someone else pays for it


it will NEVER BE REPEALED.....NEVER

how many know that NEW MEDICAL DEVICES are now taxed? how many know how EXPENSIVE it really will be? how many know how detrimental it will be for small/growing businesses? how many know how negatively it has impacted hiring?


NO ONE CARES....ITS SOMEONE ELSE'S PROBLEM...AS LONG AS I GET MY GOODIES

how many know how this will blow up the deficit even more?

how many KNOW WHAT THE MAIN $$$ PROVISIONS WAS PUSHED TO 2014??????????

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

And, who has authority, exactly?

To dismiss me or anyone else from a thread? Think about it, through the hangover haze.

 

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

anyone with 50 or more employees have to provide for all

so small biz will either get below 50, or turn many into INDIVIDUAL CONTRACTORS


but teh GUBMINT will soon lower that number

THE ECONOMY HAS CREATED NO JOBS SINCE THS PASSED.reason is obvious

I am fine with splitting 50/50 on payments now. For the first time in my life, I am finally enjoying a comprehensive health care plan that actually works. It wasn't easy getting to this point.

 

[Byron In Exile]

To dismiss me or anyone else from a thread? Think about it, through the hangover haze.

You dismissed me first, dumbass.

Go read back.

Why am I like twice as smart as you when I'm drunk as you are sober?

You're a fucking buffoon.

 

[Byron In Exile]

"Lyle: The rejection of the Commerce Clause and Nec. and Proper Clause should be understood as a major blow to Congress's authority to pass social welfare laws. Using the tax code -- especially in the current political environment -- to promote social welfare is going to be a very chancy proposition. "

 

[Byron In Exile]

"Tom: Lyle is working on his initial post now. He will be adding to it but here's the first paragraph: Salvaging the idea that Congress did have the power to try to expand health care to virtually all Americans, the Supreme Court on Monday upheld the constitutionality of the crucial – and most controversial — feature of the Affordable Care Act. By a vote of 5-4, however, the Court did not sustain it as a command for Americans to buy insurance, but as a tax if they don’t. That is the way Chief Justice John G. Roberts, Jr., was willing to vote for it, and his view prevailed. The other Justices split 4-4, with four wanting to uphold it as a mandate, and four opposed to it in any form."

 

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

Read about it here and then pass it along to UD:

http://budget.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=284936

CBO and JCT Estimate that About 3 Million to 5 Million Fewer People Will Obtain Employer-Based Coverage
Employers’ decisions about offering employment-based health insurance under the ACA will be influenced heavily by the subsidies available to some people through insurance exchanges and Medicaid and CHIP and by the tax treatment of employment-based insurance. CBO and JCT have estimated that many workers and their families will not be eligible for Medicaid, the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), or substantial subsidies for the purchase of health insurance through the exchanges, and that most employers will continue to have an economic incentive to offer health insurance to their employees.

In the original analysis of the impact of the legislation, CBO and JCT estimated that, on balance, the number of people obtaining coverage through their employer would be about 3 million lower in 2019 under the legislation than under prior law. As reflected in CBO’s latest baseline projections, the two agencies now anticipate that, because of the ACA, about 3 million to 5 million fewer people, on net, will obtain coverage through their employer each year from 2019 through 2022 than would have been the case under prior law.

Other analysts who have carefully modeled the nation’s existing health insurance system and the changes in incentives for employers to offer insurance coverage created by the ACA have reached conclusions similar to those of CBO and JCT or have predicted smaller declines (or even gains) in employment-based coverage owing to the law. Surveys of employers regarding their plans for offering health insurance coverage in the future have uncertain value and offer conflicting findings. One piece of evidence that may be relevant is the experience in Massachusetts, where employment-based health insurance coverage appears to have increased since that state’s reforms, which are similar but not identical to those in the ACA, were implemented.

http://cbo.gov/publication/43090

Got it. Thanks for the links.

I have to really educate myself on this stuff that pisses me off.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

You dismissed me first, dumbass.

Go read back.

Why am I like twice as smart as you when I'm drunk as you are sober?

You're a fucking buffoon.

Truly a legend in your own alcohol soaked mind.

 

[TexasWife25]

I think the ACA will have lots of bumps, if it survives, and yes there will be unforeseen drawbacks, ie insurance providers dropping child only policies. However, I dont think refusing to reform health care is the answer. The ACA doesnt solve all the problems, but its a soild start, imo, to better health care for all.

 

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[TexasWife25]

It's a solid start to failure as it is economically unsustainable.

Suggestions?

Seriously.

You dont like the ACA, so... how would you reform health care? What would be the ideal reform for you?