Operations Fast & Furious

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

Mitt will be a much bigger target and boy, will the press ever be pissed at being rejected based on the lying rw and its politics...

Operation DP!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I say they give him three months before they start screaming about impeachment...

 

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

I say they give him three months before they start screaming about impeachment...

It is pretty bad when we have to reach back in history and bring up Nixon again. Then Nixon starts looking like a saint in comparison.

I can almost hear Nixon now. "This, this Holden fellow......what is it with this Fast and Furious thing? What do the American people think? Are we on good terms with Mexico?.........And this, this Obama fellow....who the hell is he? And, let the American people know I had nothing to do with this! They must know......that I am NOT a crook!"

 

[miles]

is KingofTards = Drixx?

No...Cookie Boy = Troover

 

[miles]

the stuff that should end a Presidency, and lead to prison time for Holder, and possibly Obama.

Rotsa ruck with that.

It will be old news on November 7.

 

[miles]

And yet the libs (in another thread by vette) try to argue with a straight face that the press is just as hard on President Obama as they would be on a Republican...



lol

The same straight face little kids use when they're lying.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

All Issa and the cronies are trying to do is force another bullshit moment in the annals of embarrassing US history. That fact that they get to target Holder who won't enforce DOMA, is fighting the dropping the voters off the roles in Florida, who took Arizona to court over their efforts to determine citizenship for every traffic stop just makes them even happier. In fact, getting Holder to resign is probably more of a win for them than anything.

It is all bullshit.

 

[koalabear]

All Issa and the cronies are trying to do is force another bullshit moment in the annals of embarrassing US history. That fact that they get to target Holder who won't enforce DOMA, is fighting the dropping the voters off the roles in Florida, who took Arizona to court over their efforts to determine citizenship for every traffic stop just makes them even happier. In fact, getting Holder to resign is probably more of a win for them than anything.

It is all bullshit.

You are retarded.

 

[coachdb18]

That fact that they get to target Holder....

Consdiering it was Holder's policies, and a department under his management that shot Brian Terry in the back, and has led to the death of at least 200 others so far, that's a rather unfortunate choice of words!

 

[unregistered]

 

[coachdb18]

You're an uneducated clown, do fuck off.

I'm now convinced, the only justice that could come out of the 'Justice Department', is a Waco level operation beginning with an informant getting the ATF to react to a weapons stash, they go in with tanks and napalm, and Fast and Furious weapons, only to find it was Holder v. Pelosi, and there's a pair of F&F AR-15's after the dust settles, serially numbered back to ATF next to each of them on the ground.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

You're an uneducated clown, do fuck off.

At least you know the truth when you hear it. Hurts a little though - doesn't it?

 

[miles]

All Issa and the cronies are trying to do is force another bullshit moment in the annals of embarrassing US history. That fact that they get to target Holder who won't enforce DOMA, is fighting the dropping the voters off the roles in Florida, who took Arizona to court over their efforts to determine citizenship for every traffic stop just makes them even happier. In fact, getting Holder to resign is probably more of a win for them than anything.

It is all bullshit.

 

[unregistered]

 

[NeverEndingMe]

No...Cookie Boy = Troover

well kingoftards and drixx are both dipshits

 

[Ishmael]

All Issa and the cronies are trying to do is force another bullshit moment in the annals of embarrassing US history. That fact that they get to target Holder who won't enforce DOMA, is fighting the dropping the voters off the roles in Florida, who took Arizona to court over their efforts to determine citizenship for every traffic stop just makes them even happier. In fact, getting Holder to resign is probably more of a win for them than anything.

It is all bullshit.

Fact, at least one law enforcement officer was killed with one of those guns.

Fact, at least 100 other individuals have been killed with those guns, both sides of the border and including elected officials.

You may think that this is all politics, but it's not. Not to those killed or their families. And the saddest part is that there can be no claim to a higher purpose because there was none, at least as far as the stated purpose goes.

Now, there can be no claim of 'executive privilege' as it applies to the DOJ and all internal correspondence thereof. That privilege only applies to internal white house correspondence. The fact that Obama has made that assertion can only mean one of two things. Either he's trying to cover Holder's ass, or the documentation includes correspondence re. the matter between DOJ and the white house. Neither of which are particularly good signs, especially considering that the white house has, on the record, denied any knowledge of the activities of DOJ.

This is NOT going to go away, nor should it. We are dealing with murders committed with weapons purposely, and knowingly, placed in the hands of criminals. Further, it has become obvious that Holder knew a great deal more about the program than he has testified before congress. His denials, assertions, and retractions have made that obvious as well.

The nation will be well served by the ejection of Holder from office and the holding of Obama's feet to the fire. If Obama is allowed to extend EP to the DOJ then where does it end? The precedent puts all departments outside the reach of congress and by extension outside the reach of the people. I don't care if you're liberal, conservative, anarchist, communist, socialist, or any other kind of 'ist.' I don't care if you think that the end goal, what ever that may be, was worth the lives lost. Doing the 'right' thing in the wrong way is no way of doing things at all.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I gets even better bro, this is SOP...

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Why is President Obama denying Congress and the public access to critical information about his administration’s part in a shockingly ill-conceived investigation that resulted in the murder of Brian Terry, a heroic federal Border Patrol agent and veteran U.S. Marine. And when I say “his administration’s part,” that, too, is intentional.

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In point of fact, top Justice Department officials certainly knew about the Fast and Furious investigation’s use of the fateful “gunwalking” tactic for many months before this letter was submitted — probably for over a year. They were banking on Fast and Furious as a great success story. But when Agent Terry was killed, they abruptly changed tack, first denying that gunwalking had happened and, when that failed, scrambling to distance the Justice Department’s political appointees and the White House from the inevitable murder and mayhem the gunwalking has caused — and will continue to cause. That was the burden of the president’s unsolicited comments: to maintain that “ATF knew” about the gunwalking but Holder did not . . . and Obama did not.

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Understanding this calls for some “inside baseball” about how the Justice Department works. In particular, you’ll want to introduce yourself to “OCDETF,” a term near and dear to the DOJ heart, though one unknown to the public — and boy, does the administration ever want to keep it that way.

OCDETF stands for the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force. It was created during the Reagan administration to throw the coordinated muscle of Justice’s component investigative agencies — especially the FBI and the DEA — at domestic and international organized crime, a scourge that had been dramatically exacerbated by unprecedented drug-trafficking millions.

I was working at the U.S. attorney’s office in Manhattan at the dawn of OCDETF — which at DOJ is referred to as if it were a word, “Osedef.” In those days, with New York City both the notorious capital of La Cosa Nostra and the target market of Colombian drug cartels, I was fortunate to be assigned to some of the original “Osedef cases.”

Very soon, everybody wanted to work on them, and investigative agencies jabbed their sharpest elbows in the competition to have their prize investigations designated OCDETF. The reason was straightforward: OCDETF cases were the cases the Justice Department cared about, meaning: They were the cases that got bottomless funding and extensive resources.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/303808/fast-and-furious-and-ocdetf-andrew-c-mccarthy

Why go through all of this detail? Because the Obama administration has offered a palpably false narrative about Fast and Furious. It is this: Acting on their own, recklessly irresponsible ATF agents in Arizona — under the ostensible direction of the local U.S. attorney, who was actually asleep at the switch — dreamed up the Fast and Furious investigation, with its rogue “gunwalking” tactic. Against all government protocols, thousands of firearms were allowed to be transferred from “straw purchasers” to violent Mexican drug gangs, in the vain hope that they’d turn up in crime scenes and searches of high-ranking cartel operatives, enabling the U.S. government to make spectacular cases against the kingpins rather than the low-ranking nobodies.

This went on for a time with inadequate supervision, and, predictably, when the arsenal fell into the hands of the savage criminals, it resulted in violent crimes, including murders — murders that tragically included Agent Terry’s. Finally, word of the operation slowly made it across the country to Washington, where Obama DOJ appointees raised concerns with top ATF officials. Though they may be faulted for moving too slowly, eventually these DOJ appointees alerted their boss, Attorney General Holder, who was horrified and acted decisively to shut the operation down.

Bunk. In fact, Fast and Furious was an OCDETF case. That made it a Main Justice case, not the orphan Arizona debacle of media portrayal.

The Justice Department is so high on OCDETF, and has been for 30 years, that the program has its own special place on the DOJ website. There, readers learn that OCDETF is “the centerpiece of the United States Attorney General’s drug strategy to reduce the availability of drugs by disrupting and dismantling major drug trafficking organizations and money laundering organizations and related criminal enterprises.” The most important of these “related enterprises” is the illegal acquisition and use of guns — which, besides being evidentiary staples of narcotics and RICO prosecutions, are coveted by investigators because they significantly increase jail sentences upon conviction.

The website goes on to explain that the “OCDETF strategy” is implemented “under the direction of the Deputy Attorney General” — second in command to Holder at DOJ (and, in fact, the position Holder himself occupied in the Clinton/Reno Justice Department). With the coordinated effort of numerous investigative agencies and U.S. attorneys under Main Justice’s leadership, OCDETF is depicted as not only “disrupt[ing] the drug market” but “bolster[ing] law enforcement efforts in the fight against those terrorist groups supported by the drug trade.” Main Justice annually develops a “Regional Strategic Plan” for the country by requiring OCDETF participants to “identify major Regional Priority Organizational Targets.” And it has established an “OCDETF Fusion Center” as “the cornerstone” of its “intelligence-driven law enforcement, an essential component to the OCDETF program.”

In other words, the defining features of OCDETF are investigative coordination under the Justice Department’s leadership and the liberal sharing of information across the department’s array of agencies. No OCDETF case is an outlier.

Long article; worth reading in toto...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

All Issa and the cronies are trying to do is force another bullshit moment in the annals of embarrassing US history. That fact that they get to target Holder who won't enforce DOMA, is fighting the dropping the voters off the roles in Florida, who took Arizona to court over their efforts to determine citizenship for every traffic stop just makes them even happier. In fact, getting Holder to resign is probably more of a win for them than anything.

It is all bullshit.

With that as background, consider this little-noticed paragraph from the Issa memo:

Washington-based Justice Department officials had earlier [in 2010] discussed bringing Attorney General Eric Holder to Phoenix for a triumphant press conference with Arizona U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke to herald the conclusion of the Department’s flagship firearms trafficking case. In the aftermath of Agent Terry’s death, the task of announcing indictments at a press conference fell to ATF Phoenix Division Special Agent in Charge William Newell and Burke. Holder did not attend.

The “lights, camera, action” press conference is a standard feature of OCDETF cases. It is discussed for weeks, if not months, on end. It has to be. The amount of funding lavished on these cases results in great pressure to bring them to a fittingly spectacular conclusion as soon as practicable — with a barrage of arrests and search warrants. But the attorney general will be made to look foolish if, after enormous sums have been spent, in addition to thousands of agent and prosecutor work hours invested, the case ends without arrests, or the suspects arrested are not the main culprits, or the main culprits manage to flee before agents can find and put handcuffs on them.

BND: Angry partisan rebuttal. (I'll bet that you were hot to get Karl Rove and Scooter Libby even after it was learned that Fitzy knew the leader was Powell's man Armitage...)

Scooter's still in jail for a minor "process crime" where no one died and Plame still has a job.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

If you think that Marines such as vette, miles and I are going to let this go because we want to lynch the black guy, you're nuts.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

And yet the libs (in another thread by vette) try to argue with a straight face that the press is just as hard on President Obama as they would be on a Republican...



lol

They're still repeating the lie we debunked 30 pages ago...

http://articles.philly.com/2012-06-...e-chairman-darrell-issa-presidential-politics

BUSH!

In politics, the media narrative is everything. The media narrative drives the national conversation, opinion, and, unfortunately, poll numbers. Thanks to bad economic news and a number of unforced errors, narrative-wise, Obama and his media pal have had a very bad June. Desperate to change the subject for Their Precious One, this week we saw the media attempt to rescue Obama by pushing the White House talking points about illegal immigration.

Another media-created narrative push this week was the now-discredited story about presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney and the outsourcing of jobs during his time at Bain Capital.

The media coordinating with one another to create and control narratives that benefit Obama is in and of itself corrupt. After all, these outlets are all supposed to be in competition with one another and yet they all cover the same stories in the same way. Hmm…?

There is something worse, though, and that's when the media coordinates with the Obama campaign, which is something the fallen Washington Post has been caught doing once again.

In almost all cases, stories like this one published at the Post, take days if not weeks to write. Interviews, research, and whatever editorial and fact-checking process the Post still believes in, all takes time. There's also the editorial process involved in choosing when to run the story.

The same is true for the launching of a political attack. Certainly, campaigns, especially at the presidential level, have become quite good at producing commercials and responses with startling efficiency. But the rolling out of a new narrative attack takes planning, meetings, coordination, and strategy sessions. And like the editorial process at a newspaper, you have to decide the best time to launch.

With that in mind, I give you the following facts:

Wednesday, June 20: The Obama campaign launches a (false) attack against Mitt Romney for outsourcing jobs overseas at the expense of American workers. This attack includes a slick new ad.

Thursday, June 21: The Washington Post launches a (false) attack against Mitt Romney for outsourcing jobs overseas at the expense of American workers.

If you think this is a coincidence, please strap on a helmet for daily wear before you hurt yourself.

This is how narratives are built and this is how our corrupt media works with the Obama campaign to aid and abet his reelection.

This is also the third time we have caught the Post doing this.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/06/23/Wapo-Obama-Coordinate-outsourcing-attack

 

[RobDownSouth]

If you think that Marines such as vette, miles and I are going to let this go because we want to lynch the black guy, you're nuts.

Let's see,
AJ was deemed unfit to adopt American children,
Both of Vetteman's heterosexual wives left him,
And Miles routinely cheats on his wife, maybe more than anyone else on the General Board.

Yep, you guys embody the principle of Marine Corp honor.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Fact, at least one law enforcement officer was killed with one of those guns.

Fact, at least 100 other individuals have been killed with those guns, both sides of the border and including elected officials.

You may think that this is all politics, but it's not. Not to those killed or their families. And the saddest part is that there can be no claim to a higher purpose because there was none, at least as far as the stated purpose goes.

Did you watch Issa on Face the Nation this morning? None of the points you are making and nothing of what you are holding dear was mentioned or has any bearing on what is happening today or with what the point of the potential upcoming contempt vote.

The fact it is was a stupid and ill advised practice that has been discontinued. That is where Fast and Furious begins and where it ends. All the rest is political theater. It is about everything in my previous post. Nothing about the operation itself was illegal. Do you get that? The operation itself was legal.

Holder has already retracted the statement that the operation was not active, and has admitted that the whole thing was a disaster. Apart from that what do you want? Brian Terry can not be brought back to life. Everything about the Fast and Furious program itself has been disclosed. That is a fact and Issa has said as much.

Did you watch Issa on This Week? - Issa said "Lying to Congress is a crime". That is now the issue here. Political theater set up because all that is happening is that Issa kept pressing and trolling until the administration said "No more!". And now that is being used to justify a witch-hunt. There is no evidence of a crime. Issa is demanding that the Justice Department prove its innocence for a crime that was never committed. That is McCarthy. That is Kenneth Star. That is a witch-hunt. That is politics.

 

[coachdb18]

Did you watch Issa on Face the Nation this morning? None of the points you are making and nothing of what you are holding dear was mentioned or has any bearing on what is happening today or with what the point of the potential upcoming contempt vote.

The fact it is was a stupid and ill advised practice that has been discontinued. That is where Fast and Furious begins and where it ends. All the rest is political theater. It is about everything in my previous post. Nothing about the operation itself was illegal. Do you get that? The operation itself was legal.

Holder has already retracted the statement that the operation was not active, and has admitted that the whole thing was a disaster. Apart from that what do you want? Brian Terry can not be brought back to life. Everything about the Fast and Furious program itself has been disclosed. That is a fact and Issa has said as much.

Did you watch Issa on This Week? - Issa said "Lying to Congress is a crime". That is now the issue here. Political theater set up because all that is happening is that Issa kept pressing and trolling until the administration said "No more!". And now that is being used to justify a witch-hunt. There is no evidence of a crime. Issa is demanding that the Justice Department prove its innocence for a crime that was never committed. That is McCarthy. That is Kenneth Star. That is a witch-hunt. That is politics.

Can never have too many treaties (so long as they are not raspberry (or strawberry, blackberry or blueberry*)).

If you can't breed your own ~ you can sometimes find them in good quality spell-checkers, I do sell some of my excess and those not of export quality to some selected manufacturers of the aforementioned product.



*Talking artificial flavours, I can tolerate small amounts of the natural product.

 

[koalabear]

Did you watch Issa on Face the Nation this morning? None of the points you are making and nothing of what you are holding dear was mentioned or has any bearing on what is happening today or with what the point of the potential upcoming contempt vote.

The fact it is was a stupid and ill advised practice that has been discontinued. That is where Fast and Furious begins and where it ends. All the rest is political theater. It is about everything in my previous post. Nothing about the operation itself was illegal. Do you get that? The operation itself was legal.

Holder has already retracted the statement that the operation was not active, and has admitted that the whole thing was a disaster. Apart from that what do you want? Brian Terry can not be brought back to life. Everything about the Fast and Furious program itself has been disclosed. That is a fact and Issa has said as much.

Did you watch Issa on This Week? - Issa said "Lying to Congress is a crime". That is now the issue here. Political theater set up because all that is happening is that Issa kept pressing and trolling until the administration said "No more!". And now that is being used to justify a witch-hunt. There is no evidence of a crime. Issa is demanding that the Justice Department prove its innocence for a crime that was never committed. That is McCarthy. That is Kenneth Star. That is a witch-hunt. That is politics.

You are clearly retarded, the guns that were used in the killings have been recovered and traced back to Fast & Furious. Brian Terry was not the only person killed with these weapons, but what's a little collateral damage, Retard.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

I think its sad, watching obama spinning so hard to save his criminal ass.

we all know that obama is guilty of crimes against America