Operations Fast & Furious

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[koalabear]

Hold on about to c&p it

I already posted it in this thread long ago.

 

[bra_man69]

Reporting from Washington — Firearms from the ATF's Operation Fast and Furious weapons trafficking investigation turned up at the scenes of at least 11 violent crimes in the U.S., as well as at a Border Patrol agent's slaying in southern Arizona last year, the Justice Department has acknowledged to Congress.
The department did not provide details about the crimes. But The Times has learned that they occurred in several Arizona cities, including Phoenix, where Fast and Furious was managed, as well as in El Paso, where a total of 42 weapons from the operation were seized at two crime scenes.

The new numbers, which expand the scope of the danger the program posed to U.S. citizens over a 14-month period, are contained in a letter that Justice Department officials turned over to the Senate Judiciary Committee last month.

In the letter, obtained by The Times on Tuesday, Justice Department officials also reported that Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives officials advised them that the agency's acting director, Kenneth E. Melson, "likely became aware" of the operation as early as December 2009, a month after it began.

Melson has said he did not learn about how the operation was run until January of this year, when it was canceled.

The July 22 letter, signed by Assistant Atty. Gen. Ronald Weich, was sent to Sens. Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) and Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa), the top members of the Senate Judiciary Committee. It was in response to questions posed to the Justice Department about Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. and the weapons operation.

The program was intended to identify Mexican drug cartel leaders and smuggling routes across the border by allowing illegal purchases of firearms and tracking the weapons. Instead, many of the guns vanished.

Weich said that although the "ATF does not have complete information" on all of the lost guns, "it is our understanding that ATF is aware of 11 instances" beyond the Border Patrol agent's killing where a Fast and Furious firearm "was recovered in connection with a crime of violence in the United States."

Justice Department officials did not provide any more details about the crimes or how many guns were found.

But a source close to the controversy, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the continuing investigation, said that as early as January 2010, just after the operation began, weapons had turned up at crime scenes in Phoenix, Nogales, Douglas and Glendale in Arizona, and in El Paso. The largest haul was 40 weapons at one crime scene in El Paso.

In all, 57 of the operation's weapons were recovered at those six crime scenes, in addition to the two seized where Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed.

Weich's letter also said a total of 1,418 firearms were circulated under the program. How many remain missing in the U.S. and Mexico is unclear. The total is considerably lower than earlier estimates, when authorities said that at least 2,000 guns had vanished.


Melson has told congressional investigators that he learned how the program operated in the field only after it was shut down in January.

But Weich wrote that the ATF had advised Justice Department officials that Melson "likely became aware on or about Dec. 9, 2009, as part of a briefing following a seizure of weapons in Douglas, Ariz."

Weich added that the ATF told the Justice Department that although Melson was not given "regular" briefings on the program, "periodic updates were provided to the acting director as determined to be necessary by the [ATF] Office of Field Operations. These briefings typically coincided with planned field visits or in preparation for meetings."

Weich added that Holder first spoke to Melson about the operation "in or about late April" of this year, after the attorney general learned of the program and during a regular briefing.

Senior Justice Department officials have insisted they did not know about the "operational tactics" of the program, and the Weich letter reemphasized that point. Weich noted that the officials were cooperating with investigations by Congress and the Justice Department inspector general's office, which reflects "our commitment to learning the facts underlying this matter."

 

[bra_man69]

I already posted it in this thread long ago.

My bad
Well maybe the idiot well read it this time

 

[koalabear]

My bad
Well maybe the idiot well read it this time

Libs can't read.

 

[bra_man69]

Libs can't read.

Well fuck my bad again

 

[phrodeau]

Some coverup, if everyone knows about it.

 

[koalabear]

Murdered border agent Brian Terry's parents accuse Obama officials of 'hiding something'

Terry's parents, Kent and Josephine Terry, said they are upset that the Obama administration may be preventing them from getting the full story about how their son died.

"They're lying. ... They're passing the buck," Kent Terry told Hannity. "I just know that they're hiding something big. Something happened out there."

The interview comes a day after the Terry's released a statement expressing disappointment with the Obama's administration's latest actions.

"Attorney General Eric Holder's refusal to fully disclose the documents associated with Operation Fast and Furious and President Obama's assertion of executive privilege serves to compound this tragedy. It denies the Terry family and the American people the truth," they said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-accuse-obama-officials-hiding/#ixzz1yUEw0iv4

 

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[koalabear]

Some coverup, if everyone knows about it.

Same thing Nixon said.

 

[coachdb18]

Some coverup, if everyone knows about it.

Everybody knew Watergate was a burglary too. But the details of it were where the evidence existed that ended an administration. The details being covered up here include crimes of treason, obstruction of justice, conspiracy, and accessory to murder. Exactly who authorized the operation, and the details of why (as a reason to exacerbate gun controls for a Trojan Horse operation) are the stuff that should end a Presidency, and lead to prison time for Holder, and possibly Obama.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

And yet the libs (in another thread by vette) try to argue with a straight face that the press is just as hard on President Obama as they would be on a Republican...



lol

 

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[4est_4est_Gump]

Which of course is the dishonest testimony of an intellects constrained by ideology.

A_J's corollary #3, “The New Age Liberal maintains contradictory positions comfortably compartmentalized. (This is because the New Age Liberal is a creature that believes in consensus as a short-cut to an examination of the facts and a reasoned judgment about said facts. Corollary #2.)”

 

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[4est_4est_Gump]

Case in point, yesterday's New York Times analysis of the ratings trouble NBC News is having of late:

NBC News has long been a dominant presence on network television, regularly winning the ratings competition against its evening news and Sunday morning political show competitors, and reveling in the “Today” show’s 16-year winning streak in morning television, a record not broken until April.

Struggling with declining ratings across all three franchises, however, and with news this week that the network is preparing to replace Ann Curry on “Today,” NBC executives are facing a new narrative that is being embraced by the competition. For the first time in more than a decade, NBC News appears adrift.

NBC’s major news shows, including “NBC Nightly News” and “Meet the Press,” have lost ground to rivals in the last year, causing wider concerns about the health of the news division, which has been the No. 1 television news operation in America for the better part of two decades. For now it is still No. 1 by almost every measure, but it appears to be more vulnerable than it has been at any time in years.

The most visible manifestation of this is “Today.” The morning show is a profit center for the news division, raking in several hundred million dollars each year and effectively subsidizing other news shows.

The writers are Bill Carter and Brian Stetler and the piece is a long one, almost a thousand words. But two words you won't find are "credibility" and "scandal."

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/06/22/NYTs-NBC-News-Analysis

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

In the aftermath of Politico's decision to suspend its White House Correspondent, Joseph Williams, for tweets mocking Mitt Romney's wealth and comments made yesterday on MSNBC, it is remarkable to see outlets I respect praising Politico for its correct and quick action.

That's exactly wrong.

We should not be suspending or punishing journalists who are open about their biases. We should be encouraging and praising reporters willing to be upfront about such things. In a nutshell: Politico suspended Mr. Williams for being open about his biases, but in a just world Politico would suspend itself for lying about theirs.

As we are learning from a Huffington magazine article today (available here), the Politico brand is in very real trouble.

According to an earlier report from the Daily Caller, coming into an election year – Politico's bread and butter – the site's traffic is down.

New independent circulation numbers show a sharp decline in readership of Politico and other left-leaning news websites, an ominous trend for the suburban Virginia-based news outlet and its peers as Americans head into an election year.

Recently published and publicly available Web traffic data indicates that “unique visitor” traffic to politico.com in November 2011 was 15 percent lower than in the previous month, and 31 percent lower than in November 2010. The data, from Compete, Inc., also show an overall two-year decline.

That is an incredible statistic when you consider Politico prides itself as the "ESPN of Politics" and seems to be everywhere. The two-year decline is especially important.

Nobody trusts Politico anymore.

And what exactly did Politico expect after crawling into bed with the anti-Semitic, Soros-funded tax exempt Media Matters and the fever swamp of MSNBC. Politico openly chose to marry its brand to two of the most marginalized and extreme entities on the planet. Did Politico think it a smart business move to alienate over half their potential audience.

Of course not.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/06/22/Politico-Brand-In-Trouble

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Very true, ideology unlike conservatism has nothing to do with reason and experience, it has nothing to do with the tried and true, but a lot to do with what might be, if we all get behind unproven beliefs and expectations.

Hope and Change!

Forward!

 

[MeeMie]

Parents Of Slain Border Agent Speak Out –

“Obama Hiding Something”​

For the first time, both parents of slain U.S. Border Agent Brian Terry speak publicly of their distrust of the Obama administration and its cover-up response to the death of their son.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irPiJ-GAXFI


"I think they're lying and hiding it ... big time."

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

What tipped it off?


The Executive Privilege claim?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

For Team Obama, this story is all about politics.

But for the family of Brian Terry, it’s the story of their son — murdered with guns given to killers by his own government. Yet many mainstream news consumers never heard of it until this week. According to Media Research Center, the first time NBC mentioned the story was last week.

For the Terry family, it has been a year and a half of lies, obfuscation and stonewalling. They just want to know what happened to their son — the kind of son who, before he died on Dec. 14, had already bought and mailed them Christmas gifts.

His brother-in-law tells the rest:

“We buried him not far from the house that he was raised in just prior to Christmas day. The gifts that Brian had picked out with such thought and care began to arrive in the mail that same week. With each delivery, we felt the indescribable pain of Brian’s death.”

Are Democrats like Raben right? Is finding the person responsible for arming Terry’s killers with government-issue guns really merely doing “the bidding of the NRA?” Why the hell isn’t it the “bidding” of the entire Justice Department? Of the whole White House? Instead, Democrats like our own Reps. Stephen Lynch and John Tierney have consistently voted against having Attorney General Eric Holder provide documents that could end this family’s pain. Ranking House Oversight Committee member Elijah Cummings (D-Md.) famously pledged, “I will not rest” until justice is done for the Terry family.

But what did he and every other Democrat on the committee do this week?

They sided with Holder and voted against holding him in contempt.

Tierney demeaned the effort to get the documents as “partisan political theater.” Lynch went even further, offering an amendment calling for a review of the costs of the investigation and complaining that it had dragged on.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/op...front_and_center_victim_becoming__a_footnote/

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Obama’s Catch-22
By Tribune-Review

In the grand scheme of things, a congressional committee’s vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress for failing to turn over documents related to the failed and fatal Operation Fast and Furious gun-running scandal doesn’t amount to a hill of beans.

Even if the full House concurs next week, the matter will be referred to Mr. Holder’s Justice Department. “Prosecutory discretion” being what it is these days, nothing will happen.

But President Barack Obama’s invocation of executive privilege to shield those documents is another matter. In fact, it’s a mountain of a mess that could topple Mr. Obama (if the electorate doesn’t do it first).

By now declaring executive privilege, the administration is legally stipulating that there was direct White House involvement. And it has placed itself in Catch-22 jeopardy: It was more intimately involved in Fast and Furious than previously stated and it has been involved in nothing less than a cover-up to prevent that public disclosure.

Either the White House lied or the White House lied.

http://triblive.com/opinion/2069400...a-administration-catch-doesn-either-executive

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

They're still repeating the lie we debunked 30 pages ago...

http://articles.philly.com/2012-06-...e-chairman-darrell-issa-presidential-politics

BUSH!

 

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/op...front_and_center_victim_becoming__a_footnote/

Obama’s Catch-22
By Tribune-Review


http://triblive.com/opinion/2069400...a-administration-catch-doesn-either-executive

In a strange way, this would explain why Nixon's Watergate scandal has been making its' rounds at the water cooler. Uh-gain.

When this is over, we won't have Obama or Holder to kick around!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

In a strange way, this would explain why Nixon's Watergate scandal has been making its' rounds at the water cooler. Uh-gain.

When this is over, we won't have Obama or Holder to kick around!

Mitt will be a much bigger target and boy, will the press ever be pissed at being rejected based on the lying rw and its politics...