Conservatives, Explain Ron Paul's Loss to Me

[MechaBlade]

There won't be until we change the electoral system. Our present system forces everyone who seriously wants to make a difference to huddle under one of no more than two big tents.

I am all in favor of getting rid of electoral colleges.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I am all in favor of getting rid of electoral colleges.

That's trivial, I'm talking about the way we elect Congress.

 

[MechaBlade]

That's trivial, I'm talking about the way we elect Congress.

No way to change that, not that I know of.

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

^^^ Please stop posting. You are a danger to reality itself.

As opposed to your reality where we can just spend spend spend...endlessly handing out cash with absolutely no consequences at all. Problem? throw money at it....it fixes everything right?

People being stupid? need funding to nerf everything for them..... Need a major program costing some 8 or 9 figures to enforce seat belt laws....we wouldn't want any tards to die because they were stupid now would we?

Sounds like you're talking about a Cloward-Piven strategy.

LMFAO...not even close.

I want the gov to unequivocally shit the proverbial bed, total collapse. Z Day...economic melt down....whatever, shit we already have people turning into face eating zombies let's keep the party rolling.

Humans are amazingly resistant to change. But become highly innovative when faced with no other option...I want them to ride the status quo horse they have beaten to death and deliver it's stinking carcass to the door step of all those to weak/stupid/broken to exist with out the nanny state nerfing the world for them at the expense (not just financial either) of everyone else. FORCING them to deal with the fact that the way we have been doing things just isn't going to cut it and nut up or shut up.

 

[Hubs_in_hose]

There won't be until we change the electoral system. Our present system forces everyone who seriously wants to make a difference to huddle under one of no more than two big tents.

Because the two parties make the election laws.

Oh, KingOrfeo, in regards to your "not enough Libertarians" comment earlier, there are many races in Texas where the general election choices are Republican or Libertarian. I wish that people would seriously look at the candidate and not the party it will take action by the people to stop the two party dominance. Even with that Libertarians are the #3 party. It kills me to see the LP running itself like it were the Democrats or Republicans. There should have been a serious campaign of "do you wish you had another choice? You do, vote Libertarian!" campaign. They did make some in roads with the "Smallest Political Quiz" but did not capitalize on it. They decided to do an attack piece at CPAC then be a stooge of the Democrats by wasting money on a full page ad in some of the major newspapers. The Democrats only promised to pay for half of the ad, with the money the Dems have it was a drop in the bucket where for the Libertarians it was a major spend, so the ad repulsed some conservative Libertarians, attacked the Republicans, and the Dems only had to pay for half of it. I brought that point up to the Libertarian Party of Texas and they had no clue.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

I just want to add that I don't really trust that Pew poll, because when I looked at it, the questions seemed like trick ones. Most libertarian/anarchist types of the radical stripe like me (and even many "moderate" libertarians) would simply refuse to answer them. So this is not a representative sample, because the questions seem almost calculated to insult the sensibilities of all the minarchist/anarchist camp.

Mind you, I'm an evolutionary anarchist with occasional revolutionary anarchist tendencies. I really prefer a gradual, phase-out of all civil government, with alternatives being created to make the State redundant. However, I believe that the reality will be much harsher, as I have warned before. We simply can't spend at this rate and hope to avoid the downfall of the present Republic. It's not merely inevitable....it's imminent. I suspect we are no more than two years away from the final end, tops. Probably closer to six to ten months away from it. When the creditors see that they will NEVER get their money back, it will all go to Hell in a handbasket. And then Obama will wish that he'd lost. Because he'll win the battle, but lose the war.

 

[KingOrfeo]

No way to change that, not that I know of.

According to this old article, we wouldn't even need a constitutional amendment.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I just want to add that I don't really trust that Pew poll, because when I looked at it, the questions seemed like trick ones. Most libertarian/anarchist types of the radical stripe like me (and even many "moderate" libertarians) would simply refuse to answer them. So this is not a representative sample, because the questions seem almost calculated to insult the sensibilities of all the minarchist/anarchist camp.

Oh, yes it is a representative sample. And the typology makes sense. If you're fighting the test, that only goes to show how few of you minarchists/anarchists there are. You were not under any illusions to the contrary, were you?

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Oh, yes it is a representative sample. And the typology makes sense. If you're fighting the test, that only goes to show how few of you minarchists/anarchists there are.

That cannot answer for the faulty questions, which pose false choices to those of my stripe. A choice between the State doing things or them not being done at all. Where's option C, which most libertarians and anarchists would prefer, that they be done by private sector groups? That's the issue for me and would be for many others, I dare say.

 

[doctor_insanus]

Beyond the right he's bowel full of froot loops

"Bowel full of froot loops" is as good a description of the Republican Party as anything else, I suppose.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Paul always looks like he just got out of rehab.

 

[mercury14]

Paul has a lot of radical ideas, extreme crazy nut job ideas. Yes, he has some great ideas too and his message resonates with your typical disenfranchised youth, but at the end of the day it's your average American who you need on your side, and his policies just weren't viable for them.

That and Romney has nine times more funding.