More Liberal Insanity:Dept. of Labor wants to stop children working on farms

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Insane...absolutely fucking insane.
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A proposal from the Obama administration to prevent children from doing farm chores has drawn plenty of criticism from rural-district members of Congress. But now it’s attracting barbs from farm kids themselves.

The Department of Labor is poised to put the finishing touches on a rule that would apply child-labor laws to children working on family farms, prohibiting them from performing a list of jobs on their own families’ land.

Under the rules, children under 18 could no longer work “in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials.”

“Prohibited places of employment,” a Department press release read, “would include country grain elevators, grain bins, silos, feed lots, stockyards, livestock exchanges and livestock auctions.”

The new regulations, first proposed August 31 by Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, would also revoke the government’s approval of safety training and certification taught by independent groups like 4-H and FFA, replacing them instead with a 90-hour federal government training course.

Rossie Blinson, a 21-year-old college student from Buis Creek, N.C., told The Daily Caller that the federal government’s plan will do far more harm than good.

“The main concern I have is that it would prevent kids from doing 4-H and FFA projects if they’re not at their parents’ house,” said Blinson.

“I started showing sheep when I was four years old. I started with cattle around 8. It’s been very important. I learned a lot of responsibility being a farm kid.”

In Kansas, Cherokee County Farm Bureau president Jeff Clark was out in the field — literally on a tractor — when TheDC reached him. He said if Solis’s regulations are implemented, farming families’ labor losses from their children will only be part of the problem.

“What would be more of a blow,” he said, “is not teaching our kids the values of working on a farm.”

The Environmental Protection Agency reports that the average age of the American farmer is now over 50.

“Losing that work-ethic — it’s so hard to pick this up later in life,” Clark said. “There’s other ways to learn how to farm, but it’s so hard. You can learn so much more working on the farm when you’re 12, 13, 14 years old.”

John Weber, 19, understands this. The Minneapolis native grew up in suburbia and learned the livestock business working summers on his relatives’ farm.

He’s now a college Agriculture major.

“I started working on my grandparent’s and uncle’s farms for a couple of weeks in the summer when I was 12,” Weber told TheDC. “I started spending full summers there when I was 13.”

“The work ethic is a huge part of it. It gave me a lot of direction and opportunity in my life. If they do this it will prevent a lot of interest in agriculture. It’s harder to get a 16 year-old interested in farming than a 12 year old.”

Weber is also a small businessman. In high school, he said, he took out a loan and bought a few steers to raise for income. “Under these regulations,” he explained, “I wouldn’t be allowed to do that.”

In February the Labor Department seemingly backed away from what many had called an unrealistic reach into farmers’ families, reopening the public comment period on a section of the regulations designed to give parents an exemption for their own children.

But U.S. farmers’ largest trade group is unimpressed.

“American Farm Bureau does not view that as a victory,” said Kristi Boswell, a labor specialist with the American Farm Bureau Federation. “It’s a misconception that they have backed off on the parental exemption.”

Boswell chafed at the government’s rationale for bringing farms strictly into line with child-labor laws.

“They have said the number of injuries are higher for children than in non-ag industries,” she said. But everyone in agriculture, Boswell insisted, “makes sure youth work in tasks that are age-appropriate.”

The safety training requirements strike many in agriculture as particularly strange, given an injury rate among young people that is already falling rapidly.

According to a United States Department of Agriculture study, farm accidents among youth fell nearly 40 percent between 2001 and 2009, to 7.2 injuries per 1,000 farms.

Clark said the regulations are vague and meddlesome.

“It’s so far-reaching,” he exclaimed, “kids would be prohibited from working on anything ‘power take-off’ driven, and anything with a work-height over six feet — which would include the tractor I’m on now.”

The way the regulations are currently written, he added, would prohibit children under 16 from using battery powered screwdrivers, since their motors, like those of a tractor, are defined as “power take-off driven.”

And jobs that could “inflict pain on an animal” would also be off-limits for kids. But “inflicting pain,” Clark explained, is left undefined: If it included something like putting a halter on a steer, 4-H and FFA animal shows would be a thing of the past.

In a letter to The Department of Labor in December, Montana Republican Rep. Denny Rehberg complained that the animal provision would also mean young people couldn’t “see veterinary medicine in practice … including a veterinarian’s own children accompanying him or her to a farm or ranch.”

Boswell told TheDC that the new farming regulations could be finalized as early as August. She claimed farmers could soon find The Labor Department’s Wage and Hour Division inspectors on their land, citing them for violations.

“In the last three years that division has grown 30 to 40 percent,” Boswell said. Some Farm Bureau members, she added, have had inspectors on their land checking on conditions for migrant workers, only to be cited for allowing their own children to perform chores that the Labor Department didn’t think were age-appropriate.

It’s something Kansas Republican Senator Jerry Moran believes simply shouldn’t happen.

During a March 14 hearing, Moran blasted Hilda Solis for getting between rural parents and their children.

“The consequences of the things that you put in your regulations lack common sense,” Moran said.
“And in my view, if the federal government can regulate the kind of relationship between parents and their children on their own family’s farm, there is almost nothing off-limits in which we see the federal government intruding in a way of life.”

The Department of Labor did not respond to repeated requests for comment.
 
We dont need no steenken farms

We can get all the food we need from teh supermarkets:mad:
 
I wonder who is more efficient on a small farm, an illegal alien or Tiny Tim?
 
From my own personal exp tiny Tim....you tend to bust ass with a smile when it's your own dinner on the line and not just another hourly job.

you just took 1 step back from mini NIGGERHOOD....keep stepping away
 
I hate factory farm and child labor. You know what makes you want to never work an honest day's labor in your life? Spending your childhood stripping fucking tobacco. Having a bug phobia and having your cousin chase after you with corn-worms on a fucking cob. When you do farmwork most of your life, maybe... 1% of people get a work ethic- the rest of us say, "There is no way in fucking hell I'm ever doing this shit again. I won't even have a yard."

Yeah, I've sheered sheep to. I've worked with cows, chickens, and all that fun shit. I hated every minute of it. Horses are cool. Horses are the only non-retarded or non-dick animals I've ever worked with. Well, some pigs are pretty cool- depends on the pig, but cows, for the most part, are total dicks. They eat your hair and give you ticks and freak the fuck out over every little thing and shove their kids into rivers and laugh about it. Working with them is a fucking pain in the ass. Sheep and goats will bite the shit out of you and eat your screen door. Because that's just how they roll. And their eyes are fucking freaky...

My point is, I highly question the work ethic of farm kids. I was raised among them, and we are, for the most part, far lazier then the folk I met in college who were raised by parents who didn't use them for free labor. Because they aren't jaded by the entire idea of working.
 
I suppose it won't be long and they'll tell us our kids can't be made to do chores and that they're entitled to an allowance every week.:rolleyes:

or even pick up their own shit....get a maid, support the economy by giving someone a job.
 
Let's wipe out the family farm so we can make way for Soviet style state owned farms Obama would love to see in place.
Oh yes, I'm positive that the President of the United States would like to socialize agriculture. He's from communist Kenya, after all.
 
Oh yes, I'm positive that the President of the United States would like to socialize agriculture. He's from communist Kenya, after all.

:confused: It's already socialized.... agricultural subsidies from the gov are the only reason 90% of them exist.
 
Creeping?

The Creeping Despotism of the Obama Agenda


By Mario Loyola

April 25, 2012 4:11 P.M.




This is beyond infuriating:


A proposal from the Obama administration to prevent children from doing farm chores has drawn plenty of criticism from rural-district members of Congress. But now it’s attracting barbs from farm kids themselves.

The Department of Labor is poised to put the finishing touches on a rule that would apply child-labor laws to children working on family farms, prohibiting them from performing a list of jobs on their own families’ land.

How even the most liberal Democrat could possibly support this kind of tyrannical invasion of privacy and personal liberty is beyond me. I’ll never understand how people who sound off all the time about the “right to choose” can be so at ease with the federal government running every aspect of their lives. Why don’t they just get it over with and declare a Committee of Public Safety with unlimited powers?

When I was a child growing up in the Cuban-refugee community of South Florida, we’d often take summer trips to visit my mother’s cousin, Jorge, who had married into a family of American dairy farmers near Tampa. He lived on a 3,000 acre spread brimming with dairy cattle. I was probably 8, 10, and 12 the times we went to visit him and his family. He’d wake us up at the crack of dawn and take us out to the barns to start doing our chores.

It wasn’t because he needed the help. It was because it was good for us. But now the Obama administration decides that it’s better for children to watch television or surf the Internet than to be outside in the fresh air learning solid work habits and personal responsibility.

But I guess that makes sense: When you want to create a society of indolent dependency on the entitlement state, you should start early.

Maybe there’s a silver lining here, however. The Obama administration is demonstrating irrefutably what the Framers of our Constitution knew intuitively — that a federal government with unlimited power to regulate the economy is just a tyranny in waiting.
 
I hate factory farm and child labor. You know what makes you want to never work an honest day's labor in your life? Spending your childhood stripping fucking tobacco. Having a bug phobia and having your cousin chase after you with corn-worms on a fucking cob. When you do farmwork most of your life, maybe... 1% of people get a work ethic- the rest of us say, "There is no way in fucking hell I'm ever doing this shit again. I won't even have a yard."

Yeah, I've sheered sheep to. I've worked with cows, chickens, and all that fun shit. I hated every minute of it. Horses are cool. Horses are the only non-retarded or non-dick animals I've ever worked with. Well, some pigs are pretty cool- depends on the pig, but cows, for the most part, are total dicks. They eat your hair and give you ticks and freak the fuck out over every little thing and shove their kids into rivers and laugh about it. Working with them is a fucking pain in the ass. Sheep and goats will bite the shit out of you and eat your screen door. Because that's just how they roll. And their eyes are fucking freaky...

My point is, I highly question the work ethic of farm kids. I was raised among them, and we are, for the most part, far lazier then the folk I met in college who were raised by parents who didn't use them for free labor. Because they aren't jaded by the entire idea of working.

Yes, but in Kentucky, you have a family wreath too...

You might go back and reread DeTocqueville on the two banks of the Ohio.

If you and your mates were a lazy lot, I suggest the remnant culture of the slave...
 
The world is so different from when I was a kid.

I bought my first pair of Red Ball Jets! my first bicycle! (cost me $8). My old man did buy my first lawn mower ($30) but I paid him back and bought the rest of them as needed. I sold GRIT and Christmas cards. I caught and sold blue crabs for 10 cents each. Outside of birthdays and Christmas kids earned what they wanted.
 
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