What else can Congress Mandate on the Individual?

[pornstarwannabe]

Argument By Administration:
Everyone at some point in time will require the services of health care. If these individuals do not have insurance, than everyone else has to pay more to make up for those that cannot pay. Ergo, Congress (by way of the Commerce Clause) can mandate all Individuals to purchase health insurance.

Does that mean Congress can mandate all individuals purchase burial insurance? Burial Insurance covers things like headstone, funeral home, Visitation/Viewing, Hearse, cemetery plot, etc. Not to mention that it covers costs for legal fees and costs due to probate. When someone dies, the body cannot be released directly to family members to take home and bury in the yard. Even cremation involves a fee. Follow the logic:

Everyone at some point in time will require the services of a funeral home. If these individuals do not have insurance, than everyone else has to pay more to make up for those that cannot pay. Ergo, Congress (by way of the Commerce Clause) can mandate all Individuals to purchase burial insurance.

Am I wrong? If so, how?

 

[mercury14]

We've already had this thread many times.

 

[pornstarwannabe]

We've already had this thread many times.

Did someone bring up this exact example?

 

[phrodeau]

If there's no estate to pay for burial, a church or next of kin can raise funds by taking an offering at a funeral. Burial expenses are peanuts compared to medical bills.

 

[pornstarwannabe]

If there's no estate to pay for burial, a church or next of kin can raise funds by taking an offering at a funeral. Burial expenses are peanuts compared to medical bills.

Oh, so that is the litmus test? Congress can mandate by way of the Commerce Clause if the expenses are considered "high" by Congress? Or are you expressing an opinion?

 

[phrodeau]

Oh, so that is the litmus test? Congress can mandate by way of the Commerce Clause if the expenses are considered "high" by Congress? Or are you expressing an opinion?

When it comes to burial costs, "everyone else" doesn't have to pay more to make up for those who can't pay. That is not my opinion.

 

[pornstarwannabe]

When it comes to burial costs, "everyone else" doesn't have to pay more to make up for those who can't pay. That is not my opinion.

When I am wrong, I admit it. You shot a hole in my argument. I have no suitable response.

 

[phrodeau]

When I am wrong, I admit it. You shot a hole in my argument. I have no suitable response.

Around here, that makes you the weird one.

 

[pornstarwannabe]

Around here, that makes you the weird one.

That's okay.

 

[Ishmael]

"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." - James Madison

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce." - James Madison

Ishmael

 

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[about_average]

If a person, or family member doesn't want to, or can't, pay for burial, they have the option of donating the body to science.

 

[Liar]

What does a burial cost? I mean, bare minimum, for making sure the rotting carcass doesn't become a nuicanse? Creamtion, cardboard box in an unmarked hole, thrown to the bears at zoo, whatever. Can't be much of a cost.

 

[pornstarwannabe]

What does a burial cost? I mean, bare minimum, for making sure the rotting carcass doesn't become a nuicanse? Creamtion, cardboard box in an unmarked hole, thrown to the bears at zoo, whatever. Can't be much of a cost.

Well, the issue is dead <no pun intended> now since the burial insurance example did not pan out. But cost was brought up twice. Is that the litmus test that Congress should use for all mandates? If the cost is below a certain amount, then no mandate?

But a standard burial costs about 7K. Cremation is less than 1K.

What if family members refused to take ownership of their dead? What would happen? The hospitals/morgues would be overrun with bodies that would have to be disposed of. Who would pay? The hospitals and morgues, and they would pass that cost onto the customers of the hospital, and the taxpayers (in the case of the morgues).

 

[Sean Renaud]

Well, the issue is dead <no pun intended> now since the burial insurance example did not pan out. But cost was brought up twice. Is that the litmus test that Congress should use for all mandates? If the cost is below a certain amount, then no mandate?

But a standard burial costs about 7K. Cremation is less than 1K.

What if family members refused to take ownership of their dead? What would happen? The hospitals/morgues would be overrun with bodies that would have to be disposed of. Who would pay? The hospitals and morgues, and they would pass that cost onto the customers of the hospital, and the taxpayers (in the case of the morgues).

Assuming we aren't talking about a world where let the dogs deal with it is an option then Congress should mandate we all do our part.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The real test is, and ever is, how much money can government get outta you before you start draining the treasury from entitlements?

If you check the numbers, that line is where we are in our history.

The Boomers is sucking Social Security dry, the Niggaz is eating up the AFDC and Medicaid, and the kiddies is defaulting on they student loans.

 

[Liar]

Well, the issue is dead <no pun intended> now since the burial insurance example did not pan out. But cost was brought up twice. Is that the litmus test that Congress should use for all mandates? If the cost is below a certain amount, then no mandate?

Yeah I was not debating the issue. Just being off-topic curious.

But a standard burial costs about 7K. Cremation is less than 1K

Jaysus. For digging a hole and dumping me in? One would think that's cheaper than cremation. After I'm dead I'm meat. I don't want a coffin and gravestone and a prayer. Just dispose of the carcass. A ditch and a shovel. Dip it in acid. Turn it into Soylent Green. Sell it to a necrophiliac. I don't care. Can not possibly set the state back 7k, if I was to neglect paying for it in advance..

 

[Sean Renaud]

Your pretty sure your soul isn't trapped in your body. I can totally see the look on your face if souls actually require ceremony to leave the body and you're sold to a necrophiliac. It'll be all

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Lets do this.

When you die, and your estate is probated, IRS gets first grab of your money to pay your share of the national debt? Its fair. You and Warren Buffet pay the same amount!

 

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