Judaism

[TsafirKamel]

" The Purim festival is celebrated annually by the jews in February or March. It is in commemoration of the 75,000 Persians murdered by the Jews. This massacre occurred under the Persian king Ahasuers (Xerxes). He had a minister (Haman) who recognized the Jewish danger and wanted to expel the Jews. The king's Jewish lover Esther persuaded him instead to hang Haman and his ten sons. After that came the murdering of the 75,000 Persians under the leadership of the Jew Mordecai. The following day the Jews celebrated with joyous festivities which are observed as the "Feast of Purim" even today. "

Why is it socially acceptable for a group of people to celebrate a massacre?

Why can't we criticize this religion without being labeled anti-semitic?


Talmudic Law

Sanhedrin 57a . " A Jew need not pay a gentile the wages owed him for work. "

Sanhedrin 57a ." When a Jew murders a gentile, there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep. "

Baba Kamma 113a. " Jews may use lies to circumvent a Gentile. "

Yebamoth 98a. " All gentile children are animals. "

Abodah Zarah 36b. " Gentile girls are in a state of niddah from birth "

Baba Mezia 24a ." If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile it does not have to be returned "

Sanhedrin 76a. " God will not spare a Jew who marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Gentile..."

Baba Kamma 37b. " The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has exposed their money to Israel."

Sanhedrin 58b. " If a heathen hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed. "

Erubin 21b." Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell. "

Moed Kattan 17a: " If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there. "

Rosh Hashanah 17a. " Christians and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations. "

Menahoth 43b-44a. " A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave. "

This is not a conspiracy. These are the facts of Judaism. Why is this allowed? Why do we tolerate it?

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[lovecraft68]

The Catholics slaughtered countless people during the crusades.

They claimed it was to spread Christianity. It was really about plunder.

The Vatican's wealth is built on the blood of pagans.

Go after the Jews once you've gone after the Catholics.

As far as being labeled anti-Semitic, every one of your posts bash the Jews so you're pretty obvious in your hatred of a certain people.

Personally I'd like to bash you, but something tells me you've caught your share of beatings already, most hate mongers do, that's why you stick together.

 

[lance gt]

All together now...."Oh, I wish I was an Oscar Meyer weiner...."

 

[Cruel2BKind]

All together now...."Oh, I wish I was an Oscar Meyer weiner...."

That is what I truly want to beeeee......

 

[3113]

" The Purim festival is celebrated annually by the jews in February or March. It is in commemoration of the 75,000 Persians murdered by the Jews. This massacre occurred under the Persian king Ahasuers (Xerxes). He had a minister (Haman) who recognized the Jewish danger and wanted to expel the Jews. The king's Jewish lover Esther persuaded him instead to hang Haman and his ten sons. After that came the murdering of the 75,000 Persians under the leadership of the Jew Mordecai. The following day the Jews celebrated with joyous festivities which are observed as the "Feast of Purim" even today. "

Um, you did kinda leave out there other side where Haman and his ten sons and 75,000 were plotting to kill all the Jews and had, in fact started rounded them up for death. Which makes all this, according to the biblical story, a case of self-defense. But let me understand this...you're want to criticize and hate people based on a fairytale about a princess who saved her people from being slaughtered by convincing the king to kill off the people who were going to slaughter them?

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Oh, no, wait, let me correct that. You're already criticizing them for their fairytales, you just want to do so without being called anti-Semitic. Um...why? You clearly are anti-Semitic. Why not accept that? Of course, you're also obsessed and wasting your time. My advice, beyond getting onto some meds....go out into the fresh air, find someone to love and be happy. Life is too short to spend it obsessing over such things.

 

[lance gt]

That is what I truly want to beeeee......

"Cuz, if I was an Oscar Meyer weiner....."

 

[Cruel2BKind]

It seems like he has too much hate.

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Also, if we are going to randomly quote things out of context, how about a few more?

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She must be quiet." (1 Timothy 2:12)

"Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses." (1 Samuel 15:3)

"Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock." (Psalm 137:9)

"When the men would not listen to his host, the husband seized his concubine and thrust her outside to them. They had relations with her and abused her all night until the following dawn, when they let her go. Then at daybreak the woman came and collapsed at the entrance of the house in which her husband was a guest, where she lay until the morning. When her husband rose that day and opened the door of the house to start out again on his journey, there lay the woman, his concubine, at the entrance of the house with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, 'Come, let us go'; but there was no answer. So the man placed her on an ass and started out again for home." (Judges 19:25-28)

"Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse." (1 Peter 2:18)

“But Rabshakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? Hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?” (2 Kings 18:27)


"No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord." (Deuteronomy 23:1)




Can you guess where I quoted those from honeybunch?

 

[Cruel2BKind]

"Cuz, if I was an Oscar Meyer weiner....."

Then everybody would love me

 

[Darkniciad]

This guy is a professional troll who brags about being banned from message boards all over the internet, and who appears in several spam databases due to posting the same off-topic crap all over the place.

Just let the posts sink, or report them as non-author threads and hope Laurel will move them to the GB where they'll receive an appropriate welcome.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

And to the OP? Here's another bible verse



"How can you say to your brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in your eye, when you yourself behold not the beam that is in your own eye? You hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of your own eye, and then shall you see clearly to pull out the mote that is in your brother's eye."

(Luke 6:42)

 

[Ldy_Sea]

The Catholics slaughtered countless people during the crusades.

They claimed it was to spread Christianity. It was really about plunder.

The Vatican's wealth is built on the blood of pagans.

Go after the Jews once you've gone after the Catholics.

As far as being labeled anti-Semitic, every one of your posts bash the Jews so you're pretty obvious in your hatred of a certain people.

Personally I'd like to bash you, but something tells me you've caught your share of beatings already, most hate mongers do, that's why you stick together.

Lets get facts straight. The crusades were started because Saaladin and his followers were murdering unarmed pilgrims who were making a pilgramage to the Holy Land. It was not to spread Christianity. As was typical of war at the tie yes there was pillageing and plundering done. This is what happened at that time and still does today. The wealth of the Vatican is not from pagans who were generally the uneducated peasants of the lands they lived in. The vatican accumulated it's wealth from various noble families over the centuries in the way of donations and tithe.

Do not get me wrong there have been many atrocities committed by people using Christianity as an excuse just as there have been Muslims and Jews who have used religion as an excuse for slaughtering people.

Remember 6 million Jews died in concentration camps in WWII
But jews were not the only ones who died. There were an estimated 11 Million people who died. Jews are slightly more than half of those who died and a significant number were catholics.

 

[3113]

Lets get facts straight. The crusades were started because Saaladin and his followers were murdering unarmed pilgrims who were making a pilgramage to the Holy Land.

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Dude! You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Know how I know that? Because the First Crusade, the one that started the ball rolling and the crusades crusading, happened in 1096. Saaladin wasn't even born until 1138! You really need to at least google this stuff and get your facts straight before posting so you don't look like you're talking out your ass!

But you got it half right. According to Wiki:

Warfare between the Fatimids and Seljuqs caused great disruption for the local Christians and for western pilgrims.

In other words,Palestine kept being bounced between these two factions and this was pretty disruptive to everyone. Sometimes the rulers were nice to people, sometime not. But historians are not united as to this being the cause of the crusades. Other reasons include the pope wanting more power, bored nobility looking for something to do, as well as general dislike of Islamic conquests at the time.

The trigger for the Crusades, however, is unquestioned to quote:

the ultimate event actually triggering the First Crusade was a request for assistance from Byzantine emperor Alexios I Komnenos. Alexios was worried about the advances of the Seljuqs, who had reached as far west as Nicaea, not far from Constantinople. In March 1095, Alexios sent envoys to the Council of Piacenza to ask Pope Urban II for aid against the Turks. Urban responded favourably, perhaps hoping to heal the Great Schism of forty years earlier, and to re-unite the Church under papal primacy by helping the Eastern churches in their time of need.

So, it was supposed to be about the Turks and Constantinople, not the Holy Land, but it became about the Holy Land.

And just to bring this back around, you do know that the First crusade began with massacres of law-abiding Jewish citizens, right? You can read about it here. Ironic, no? In one city, 1,100 Jews were slaughtered. I think that kinda "kills" any moral high-ground you want to pretend that the Crusaders had over their Islamic enemies.

 

[Handley_Page]

Lets get facts straight. The crusades were started because Salad-in and his followers were murdering unarmed pilgrims who were making a pilgrimage to the Holy Land [*]. It was not to spread Christianity. As was typical of war at the tie yes there was pillaging and plundering done. This is what happened at that time and still does today. The wealth of the Vatican is not from pagans who were generally the uneducated peasants of the lands they lived in. The Vatican accumulated it's wealth from various noble families over the centuries in the way of donations and tithe.

Do not get me wrong there have been many atrocities committed by people using Christianity as an excuse just as there have been Muslims and Jews who have used religion as an excuse for slaughtering people.

[*] It started as a response to Constantinople for help.

For a quick view of the Crusades (particularly the first, see this one:

Religion is probably responsible for more War and general atrocity than anything else in history.

 

[Ldy_Sea]

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Dude! You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Know how I know that? Because the First Crusade, the one that started the ball rolling and the crusades crusading, happened in 1096. Saaladin wasn't even born until 1138! You really need to at least google this stuff and get your facts straight before posting so you don't look like you're talking out your ass!

But you got it half right. According to Wiki:

In other words,Palestine kept being bounced between these two factions and this was pretty disruptive to everyone. Sometimes the rulers were nice to people, sometime not. But historians are not united as to this being the cause of the crusades. Other reasons include the pope wanting more power, bored nobility looking for something to do, as well as general dislike of Islamic conquests at the time.

The trigger for the Crusades, however, is unquestioned to quote:


So, it was supposed to be about the Turks and Constantinople, not the Holy Land, but it became about the Holy Land.

And just to bring this back around, you do know that the First crusade began with massacres of law-abiding Jewish citizens, right? You can read about it here. Ironic, no? In one city, 1,100 Jews were slaughtered. I think that kinda "kills" any moral high-ground you want to pretend that the Crusaders had over their Islamic enemies.

While I was thinking of the later crusades again it was started due to the acts of middle eastern peoples so my point is still valid. As for your source please use something besides wikipedia as it contains many factual errors and I will never consider it reliable.

I won't deny that politics had a place in getting them started or greed, but that is true in all wars.

However it is hard to take someone seriously when they need to resort to name calling and insulting someone. BTW a quick glance at my profile would tell you I am not a dude.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

While I was thinking of the later crusades again it was started due to the acts of middle eastern peoples so my point is still valid. As for your source please use something besides wikipedia as it contains many factual errors and I will never consider it reliable.

I won't deny that politics had a place in getting them started or greed, but that is true in all wars.

However it is hard to take someone seriously when they need to resort to name calling and insulting someone. BTW a quick glance at my profile would tell you I am not a dude.

Everyone is a dude.

BTW, the point is?

Every religion sucks.

There.

 

[lovecraft68]

Lets get facts straight. The crusades were started because Saaladin and his followers were murdering unarmed pilgrims who were making a pilgramage to the Holy Land. It was not to spread Christianity. As was typical of war at the tie yes there was pillageing and plundering done. This is what happened at that time and still does today. The wealth of the Vatican is not from pagans who were generally the uneducated peasants of the lands they lived in. The vatican accumulated it's wealth from various noble families over the centuries in the way of donations and tithe.

Do not get me wrong there have been many atrocities committed by people using Christianity as an excuse just as there have been Muslims and Jews who have used religion as an excuse for slaughtering people.

Remember 6 million Jews died in concentration camps in WWII
But jews were not the only ones who died. There were an estimated 11 Million people who died. Jews are slightly more than half of those who died and a significant number were catholics.

Damn straight religion is the biggest excuse for murder throughout history, so the point is why should the Jews be called out over it over anyone else?

The difference however between The Jews/Muslims/ any other religious group and the Catholics? The others fight for religious beliefs and faith/

The Catholics fight for money. The average Catholics faith couldn't fill a thimble and that is evidenced by the schools and churches closing in droves. They change the bible whenever they feel like it to suit their needs and are now even back peddling on belief in the devil. They're a joke.

That religion is dying and deservedly so because it has always been about profit and business over any form of true belief in God.

Sad because there are many sincere Catholics out there, but they're everyday Joes, the ones who run the show are some of the most corrupt bastards ever seen right up to a Pope who was around in Nazi Germany.

 

[3113]

However it is hard to take someone seriously when they need to resort to name calling and insulting someone. BTW a quick glance at my profile would tell you I am not a dude.

(1) I used Wiki because it's quick, but I wrote my response because I know what I'm talking about from other sources--and the Wiki entry is, by the way, very accurate in this case. The sources it lists are respected and it's got a good range and overview of the arguments from early on to the present. Very thorough. You can trust it. However, you want me to cite other books to support what I said, I will. How many would you like?

(2) I apologize for the name calling, but it's hard to take someone seriously who defends the actions of the crusaders--claiming they only went into the war to protect innocent pilgrims--when all three crusades are chalk full of incidents where crusaders massacred innocents--not to mention, went on crusade to rob and pillage and come back wealthy. The innocents included jews, muslims and even fellow christians who, not being white, the crusaders took to be islamic. The islamic side didn't have any angels either, but if you want me to take you seriously, you not only have to get your facts right and give me your citations for these facts, but also cease trying to give the moral high ground to a righteous bunch who were as guilty as any of slaughtering innocents. The wrongs of the Islamic side don't excuse those of the Crusaders.

(3) I call everyone "Dude" (I consider it gender neutral), but I'll be happy to call you "Dudette" if that's what you'd prefer.

 

[lance gt]

It's about money. You got the money, you got the power.You got the power, you got the chicks. - Tony Montana

Before religion, it was power and he who could pay for a better army and weapons won and ruled, no religion involved. Religion just gave common people a chance at grabbing some power in the name of God and the rest is history.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

It's about money. You got the money, you got the power.You got the power, you got the chicks. - Tony Montana

Before religion, it was power and he who could pay for a better army and weapons won and ruled, no religion involved. Religion just gave common people a chance at grabbing some power in the name of God and the rest is history.

Eh.

Religion has been around forever.

Corrupt and obscenely powerful religious institutions, now those were what gave common people chances at grabbing power in the name of god.

Lets face it, for the longest time, religion and power was the same thing. Many rulers or emperors were considered demi-gods. See, The Caesars, Egyptians, Mayans, etc.

BTW, the Mayans had it tough. For every religious ceremony (eh, maybe twice a week or so) they would have to draw a barbed rope through a hole in their tongue. The blood was collected and burned on an altar. Every ceremony needed royal blood that was drawn from the feet, tongue, or genetalia

 

[Ldy_Sea]

(1) I used Wiki because it's quick, but I wrote my response because I know what I'm talking about from other sources--and the Wiki entry is, by the way, very accurate in this case. The sources it lists are respected and it's got a good range and overview of the arguments from early on to the present. Very thorough. You can trust it. However, you want me to cite other books to support what I said, I will. How many would you like?

(2) I apologize for the name calling, but it's hard to take someone seriously who defends the actions of the crusaders--claiming they only went into the war to protect innocent pilgrims--when all three crusades are chalk full of incidents where crusaders massacred innocents--not to mention, went on crusade to rob and pillage and come back wealthy. The innocents included jews, muslims and even fellow christians who, not being white, the crusaders took to be islamic. The islamic side didn't have any angels either, but if you want me to take you seriously, you not only have to get your facts right and give me your citations for these facts, but also cease trying to give the moral high ground to a righteous bunch who were as guilty as any of slaughtering innocents. The wrongs of the Islamic side don't excuse those of the Crusaders.

(3) I call everyone "Dude" (I consider it gender neutral), but I'll be happy to call you "Dudette" if that's what you'd prefer.

Thank you for the apology first one I have ever seen on these boards.

I never defended the crusaders, but they are n different then any other person living at that time or even today who uses religion, politics or any other excuse to murder innocent people and to steal and ...

All I meant was that the Christians did not invade these lands without provocation. They did have some justifications. I would never say Christians are innocent or never did wrong, But I will say that Most christians and Catholic are not evil nor do they wish ill will on anyone. Ulike certain posters who make blanket statements about groups of people that have little to no basis in fact.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

Ulike certain posters who make blanket statements about groups of people that have little to no basis in fact.

Hate to gang up on you LC, but you really gotta work on this.

As a Satanist, you gotta know what blatant discrimination feels like.

 

[lovecraft68]

Hate to gang up on you LC, but you really gotta work on this.

As a Satanist, you gotta know what blatant discrimination feels like.

I know what a "bad rap" feels like, but also don't give a rats ass. My beliefs are my own and I feel no need to either expound upon them nor defend them to anyone.

I also don't slam them down anyone's throat or tell them they're living the wrong way like all religious institutions do.

As for the Catholics they are damned by the Bible itself. In the OT they are referred to as the Whore of Babylon, they are not the true bride of Christ when he comes down from high after the final battle, but rather the false "one world religion" that will be by the side of the Anti-Christ. The false profit spoken of in revelation is the Pope.

Now the ironic thing is that I am relatively secure in the statement that without running to google, I am far more "bible savvy" than the average Catholic by far, whose experience with the good book is the two verses a week the lame priests read during their formulaic ceremonies they call sermons.

Catholicism is about brain washing pure and simple.

Baptizing infants and claiming they will go to hell if they are not baptized? Please name the sin an infant has and spare me "original sin"

next we have communion, then we have confirmation. All at pre ordained dates and ages. All to insure another generation of lemmings. They are as cult like as any cult.

And don't get me started on the marital classes led by a priest who will never be with a woman in his life but will tell people how to be married.

Want more? I can go alllllll night on the biggest group of pious hypocrites to walk the face of the earth.

Confession? Show me in the bible where anyone but God can forgive you your sins? We should confess to a man, who is no better than us? Okay.

Intersession? Mother Mary can go to God on your behalf and save you? Okay.

Actually, I will let this do the talking to you Cruel. Read this closely, some very good stuff here.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False Religions/Roman Catholicism/catholic_vs_bible.htm

Oh, and I believe this little rant fits right in with my beliefs. And shame on the Catholics for saying the devil doesn't exist. The Black Flame has kept their sad asses in business for centuries.

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

 

[Ldy_Sea]

Damn straight religion is the biggest excuse for murder throughout history, so the point is why should the Jews be called out over it over anyone else?

I wouldn't say biggest but one of the biggest for sure.

The difference however between The Jews/Muslims/ any other religious group and the Catholics? The others fight for religious beliefs and faith/

Okay how does 9/11 the 7 day war, The Yom Kippur war equate fighting for religious beliefs? hey were about one thing onlly hate for Israel./America.

The Catholics fight for money.

Name any time besides the Crusades that the Catholic Church was supplying soliders/arms for a war? The Vatican does not have an army nor citizens. While ther have been wars between Catholics and protestants (Irish Troubles, French religious wars) The vatican itself did not supply troops or arms for these conflicts.

The average Catholics faith couldn't fill a thimble

Here we need to define Catholic. Are we talking fallien away (one who answers catholic on forms but does not attened mass or participate in any church functions) Practicing Catholic (Ranges from one who does their
Easter duty to those who attend mass most Sundays and holy days) and full catholics (Those who attend mass as required and follow to the best they can all church teachings.)

Depending on they type of Catholic you are familiar with this may be true but those I know Are more devout and have a strong faith.

schools and churches closing in droves.

In droves. In my Diocesse ) have closed and there are plans to build MORE Catholic Schools. Yes I know some Diocese have had to close schools and churches, but this is more due to a lack of Priests than a lack of Catholic support.

They change the bible whenever they feel like it to suit their needs

Please cite a scholarly source showing any changes to scripture in the last few centuries.

and are now even back peddling on belief in the devil.

From Catchechism of the Catholc Church

391 Behind the disobedient choice of our first parents lurks a seductive voice, opposed to God, which makes them fall into death out of envy.266 Scripture and the Church's Tradition see in this being a fallen angel, called "Satan" or the "devil".267 The Church teaches that Satan was at first a good angel, made by God: "The devil and the other demons were indeed created naturally good by God, but they became evil by their own doing."268

That religion is dying .

According to Georgetown University http://cara.georgetown.edu/CARAServices/requestedchurchstats.html

Catholic population US (self-identified, survey-based)
1965 48.5m
1975 54.5m
1985 59.5m
1995 65.7m
2000 71.7m
2005 74.0m
2011 77.7m

So an increase in Catholics of almost 30,000,000 means it's dying.

the ones who run the show are some of the most corrupt bastards ever seen right up to a Pope who was around in Nazi Germany.

Umm so the pope is old enough to have lived during WWII and he is Greman. The last Pope was polish and lived under Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. What does that mean?

 

[lance gt]

So, going back to the OP's original bash at Judaism, can't we all agree every religion is filled with atrocities committed in the name of their God and no one is any better than the rest.

Once we stop blaming others, while we sweep the debris of our own sins under the carpet, it's always going to be a war of religious conquest in the name of God(Money)

 

[Cruel2BKind]

So, going back to the OP's original bash at Judaism, can't we all agree every religion is filled with atrocities committed in the name of their God and no one is any better than the rest.

Once we stop blaming others, while we sweep the debris of our own sins under the carpet, it's always going to be a war of religious conquest in the name of God(Money)

Reminds me of George Carlin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo