Know thine enemy?

[4est_4est_Gump]

Research conducted by University of Virginia psychologist Jonathan Haidt suggests one possible answer: Liberals just aren’t as good as conservatives and libertarians at understanding how their opponents think. Haidt helped conduct research that asked respondents to fill out questionnaires about political narratives—first responding based on their own beliefs, but then responding as if trying to mimic the beliefs of their political opponents. “The results,” he writes in the May issue of Reason, “were clear and consistent.” Moderates and conservatives were the most able to think like their liberal political opponents. “Liberals,” he reports, “were the least accurate, especially those who describe themselves as ‘very liberal.’”

http://reason.com/archives/2012/03/30/the-liberal-legal-bubble

What do you think?

To me it is easy to know what Liberals (the Left, Democrats, Progressives, Statists, No Label types, pick one) are thinking and why, because I used to be one.

But the characterizations I see from my formers fellows (positions I used to hold dear mind you) about Conservatives and conservative thinking are almost always bizarrely cartoonish from a group of people who regard themselves as nuance, educated and erudite in all matters.

 

[fair_warning]

I understand how weirdos think.
Really, really weird.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Weird is not in favor for general usage any more (American Disabilities Act).



The word unconventional or the phrase conformity-challenged must be substituted.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

What I see is people characterized as "liberals" and who self identify as liberal tend to see the world as having more gray areas and are simply not good at sorting out complex issues into just black and white.

The "right" seems to always have a very clear category for everything and every issue which more or less amounts to "with us or against us".

So yes, Liberals do have problems understanding how the Right "thinks" insofar as is is difficult for a person that sees many sides of any given issue to deal with what they see as dismissing its complexity.

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

Weird is not in favor for general usage any more (American Disabilities Act).



The word unconventional or the phrase conformity-challenged must be substituted.

http://www.profilebrand.com/funny-pictures/category/demotivational/46_moms-minivan.gif

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

*chuckle*

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

What I see is people characterized as "liberals" and who self identify as liberal tend to see the world as having more gray areas and are simply not good at sorting out complex issues into just black and white.

The "right" seems to always have a very clear category for everything and every issue which more or less amounts to "with us or against us".

So yes, Liberals do have problems understanding how the Right "thinks" insofar as is is difficult for a person that sees many sides of any given issue to deal with what they see as dismissing its complexity.

What I see is a group of people who claim to be masters of nuance and independence acting in virtual, communal lockstep.

 

[Liar]

Got no comment on the study, but the GB must be an outlier.

I have yet to see a self described conservative on this board give a reality based and reasoned description of the thought process and motivation of their fellow more left leaning board members. Stereotypes, charicatures and quixotic straw men roam their minds aplenty though. Not that the other side of the fence do much better. Talking past each other and putting a mask on people so you have something that you can understand in order to fight it is modus operandi around here. Not really much of a lib v con difference.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Got no comment on the study, but the GB must be an outlier.

I have yet to see a self described conservative on this board give a reality based and reasoned description of the thought process and motivation of their fellow more left leaning board members. Stereotypes, charicatures and quixotic straw men roam their minds aplenty though. Not that the other side of the fence do much better. Talking past each other and putting a mask on people so you have something that you can understand in order to fight it is modus operandi around here. Not really much of a lib v con difference.

I do all the time. I begin with a big heart and altruistic goals while their first premise is I'm an evil, misogynist flat earther whose actions are guided by fear, fear of change, fear of science, xenophobia, etc....

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=802444




Oikophobia

Xenophobia is fear of the alien; oikophobia is fear of the familiar: "the disposition, in any conflict, to side with 'them' against 'us', and the felt need to denigrate the customs, culture and institutions that are identifiably 'ours.' "

The oik repudiates national loyalties and defines his goals and ideals against the nation, promoting transnational institutions over national governments, accepting and endorsing laws that are imposed on us from on high by the EU or the UN, though without troubling to consider Terence's question, and defining his political vision in terms of universal values that have been purified of all reference to the particular attachments of a real historical community.
The oik is, in his own eyes, a defender of enlightened universalism against local chauvinism. And it is the rise of the oik that has led to the growing crisis of legitimacy in the nation states of Europe. For we are seeing a massive expansion of the legislative burden on the people of Europe, and a relentless assault on the only loyalties that would enable them voluntarily to bear it. The explosive effect of this has already been felt in Holland and France. It will be felt soon everywhere, and the result may not be what the oiks expect.
Roger Scruton, British philosopher

 

[miles]

I have yet to see a self described conservative on this board give a reality based and reasoned description of the thought process and motivation of their fellow more left leaning board members. Stereotypes, charicatures and quixotic straw men roam their minds aplenty though. .

Am I the only one who found this funny as hell?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Am I the only one who found this funny as hell?

I found it, oh, what are the words I am looking for... bizarrely cartoonish.

 

[miles]

I found it, oh, what are the words I am looking for... bizarrely cartoonish.

Maybe he'll give us a "reality based and reasoned description" of their "motivation and thought process."

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Maybe he'll give us a "reality based and reasoned description" of their "motivation and thought process."

Perhaps, but there's no way that I'll be able to understand it.


It takes the nuance I lack...


Call me Mike Yates.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Oh, go cling to Gawd and some guns, willya?


And a horned toad, while you're at it.


They'll always laugh at your mule. The only question remaining is, how many coffins this time?


Tell Doyle that if he'd hired smarter guys, none of this would have happened.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Oh, go cling to Gawd and some guns, willya?


And a horned toad, while you're at it.


They'll always laugh at your mule. The only question remaining is, how many coffins this time?


Tell Doyle that if he'd hired smarter guys, none of this would have happened.

"We have met the enemy and he is us!"
Pogo

 

[Wat_Tyler]

"We have met the enemy and he is us!"
Pogo

No, the enemy is always the Comancheros.


Hold your friends close and your enemies closer. `Sun Tzu


He obviously never met a Comanchero. Man, those dudes don't bathe . . . ever.


Shower them with lead and wait for the buzzards.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Funny think about a reward, Bob, does this picture look straight to you?

 

[Liar]

Am I the only one who found this funny as hell?

When you omit the rest of the post, in classic straw man fashion, it sort of looks amusing, yes.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Based on my observations of people, we come from the factory with two mindsets.

The first mindset comes along about 3 years of age; its the way of thinking that accepts Santa and monsters and Tooth Fairys without any critical examination. Its the mindset that squalls when it pees on an electric fence, and smacks its companions with plastic shovels. Some kids never outgrow this mindset, and become liberals.

If all goes well a new mindset evolves at puberty. Gone are Santa and wishing on a star and leaping from the roof and flying. The new mindset copes with pimples and flat chests and homework and a job and dicks that never got much bigger than lil rosebuds. These folks are conservatives.

 

[miles]

When you omit the rest of the post, in classic straw man fashion, it sort of looks amusing, yes.

Actually the whole post was amusing.

 

[miles]

I think that conservatives and liberals want the best for people. The difference lies in how we believe that should be accomplished.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Pogo

Gotta love pogo.

 

[koalabear]

I care about Americans, you politico fucks can go suck a donkey.

 

[semen4her]

I care about white Americans, you politico fucks can go suck a donkey.

FYP, douche.

 

[RobDownSouth]

http://reason.com/archives/2012/03/30/the-liberal-legal-bubble

What do you think?

To me it is easy to know what Liberals (the Left, Democrats, Progressives, Statists, No Label types, pick one) are thinking and why, because I used to be one.

But the characterizations I see from my formers fellows (positions I used to hold dear mind you) about Conservatives and conservative thinking are almost always bizarrely cartoonish from a group of people who regard themselves as nuance, educated and erudite in all matters.

I always get a kick out of Dances With Falsehoods rationalizing why it's okay for him to put words into the mouths of Libruls and assign positions to them.