Single parent homes equate with poverty and failure

[renard_ruse]

"Non-marital" childbearing rates by race/ethnicity in the US:

Asian - 17%
White - 36%
Hispanic - 53%
Black - 72%


Median income by race/ethnicity:

Asian - $36,000
White - $34,000
Hispanic - $22,000
Black - $22,000

Could there possibly be a correlation?

 

[renard_ruse]

...Pitirim Sorokin noted that the most essential sociocultural patterning of a newborn human organism is achieved by the family. It is the first and most efficient sculptor of human material, shaping the physical, behavioral, mental, moral and sociocultural characteristics of practically every individual. …From remotest past, married parents have been the most effective teachers of their children.

The liberal Center for Law and Social Policy, a child advocacy organization, recently reported “Most researchers now agree that…studies support the notion that, on average, children do best when raised by their two married biological parents…”

Child Trends also reports “An extensive body of research tells us that children do best when they grow up with both biological parents…”

Educational Attainment
Sara McLanahan of Princeton University finds that “regardless of which survey we looked at, children from one-parent families are about twice as likely to drop out of school as children from two-parent families.”

Children from biological two-parent families have, on average, test scores and grade-point averages that are higher, they miss fewer school days, and have greater expectations of attending college than children living with one parent. Additionally, of those from either type of family who do attend college, those from two-parent families are seven to 20 percent more likely to finish college...

 

[Edith_UK]

If you are trying to make a point about single parent families, do you just wanna spit it out instead of pissing about with half arsed statistics and quotes from wankers?

 

[rosco rathbone]

Have you read the new Charles Murray book ruse.

 

[clutch1]

If you are trying to make a point about single parent families, do you just wanna spit it out instead of pissing about with half arsed statistics and quotes from wankers?

Stifle it!

 

[garbage can]

If you are trying to make a point about single parent families, do you just wanna spit it out instead of pissing about with half arsed statistics and quotes from wankers?

Edith, are you Kybele reincarnated..?..

If not, welcome to the Lit campus....

 

[Edith_UK]

Edith, are you Kybele reincarnated..?..

If not, welcome to the Lit campus....

I aint anyone other than me mate.

And cheers x

 

[mercury14]

Fatherlessness is a huge problem in many communities, especially segments of the black community. But the thing is, poverty is also tangled up in a heap of other social problems so it doesn't make sense to point out just one of them.

When I was a social worker we had a program that helped and fathers who weren't really attached to their babies/kids. They were given mentors, a social worker if needed, job skills, relationship skills, parenting classes, and support/social groups with the other dads. Everything was voluntary.

The program became an internationally-recognized best-practice model. There were folks from as far as Russia and Australia to observe the program and find out how to start their own.

So I agree with you, the culture of fathelessness is a huge and growing factor is not just poverty, but things like criminality and mental health. But it's also one that policy makers can successfully target for relatively little money.

 

[mercury14]

One thing that sometimes disappoints me about my liberal colleagues is their readiness to snap at conservatives who mention social problems in the context of race. I do of course realize that there are full-on racists here who are trying to rationalize their own bigotry, plus a there's a group of people who aren't necessarily racist but mishandle statistics.

But I believe talking about things like fatherlessness and poverty in the black community is something that should be done. It's important to everyone and well, I believe there are solutions out there.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Renard might be dead money on this, for a change...look at this single black mother of two...

http://galaxieblog.com.my/blog/photos/2007/8/9/noorsila455_1.JPG

http://allieiswired.com/wp-content/uploads/original//headof__opt.jpg

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3058/britmomvq2.jpg

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9581/britchild100207iz6.jpg

...damn, sistah.

 

[renard_ruse]

One thing that sometimes disappoints me about my liberal colleagues is their readiness to snap at conservatives who mention social problems in the context of race. I do of course realize that there are full-on racists here who are trying to rationalize their own bigotry, plus a there's a group of people who aren't necessarily racist but mishandle statistics.

But I believe talking about things like fatherlessness and poverty in the black community is something that should be done. It's important to everyone and well, I believe there are solutions out there.

Actually my point wasn't race, those stats are simply to prove the point about the benefit of two parent families.

The issue doesn't just affect the black community.

 

[renard_ruse]

In fact, the point of the thread, had nothing to do with race. The racial statistics were meant to prove the point about the benefits of two parent families.

I was trying to point out to the extreme libertarian types who say that there is no societal interest at all in promoting family values that there is a societal interest in encouraging two parent families (though not banning other types of arrangements). Hopefully, this is one area where right and left can find common ground, because the libertarians are way off on this.

 

[badbabysitter]

In fact, the point of the thread, had nothing to do with race. The racial statistics were meant to prove the point about the benefits of two parent families.

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you included race in the title and then asked if there was a correlation

that's about race as much as you can get

 

[CaudaLinea]

Greeeeeeeeaaaaaaaat. Another thread that beats up on single mothers. As if some of us had a choice. Threads like this make me just think you are a waste of oxygen. You can approach the problem without attacking the parent who has stayed behind to raise the child. Maybe examine the issue from the perspective of women who *have* found positive role models for their sons through Scouts (which is about half my troop) and women who work their asses off to ensure their children are raised sensibly. I know plenty of single fathers who do the same as I do, which is to say that we find positive influence where we can for our children. What about single-parent family homes that create a familial unit through a network of people in their circle? How about exploring that sociological aspect?

But, nooooooo, you have to do what your asstardery directs you to do. You attack poor, unmarried black women with an undercurrent of hate for all single mothers. Yup. You're pretty fucking transparent.

Fucking. Racist. Asshole. Woman. Hater.

Go die. You fuckwad of idiocy.

 

[Bert Notorius]

Raising a kid is difficult at best in a two parent household.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Greeeeeeeeaaaaaaaat. Another thread that beats up on single mothers. As if some of us had a choice. Threads like this make me just think you are a waste of oxygen. You can approach the problem without attacking the parent who has stayed behind to raise the child. Maybe examine the issue from the perspective of women who *have* found positive role models for their sons through Scouts (which is about half my troop) and women who work their asses off to ensure their children are raised sensibly. I know plenty of single fathers who do the same as I do, which is to say that we find positive influence where we can for our children. What about single-parent family homes that create a familial unit through a network of people in their circle? How about exploring that sociological aspect?

But, nooooooo, you have to do what your asstardery directs you to do. You attack poor, unmarried black women with an undercurrent of hate for all single mothers. Yup. You're pretty fucking transparent.

Fucking. Racist. Asshole. Woman. Hater.

Go die. You fuckwad of idiocy.

Single parenthood is a popular career track in the black community.

 

[CaudaLinea]

Not to go all Hilary, but Bert is right. When done right, it takes a network. Grandmas, aunties, best friends, partner parents through a vast network certainly make it easier for resourceful parents. I don't disagree with Renard The Fucktard's assessment that a solid family is better for kids, but I think the data he supplies and the method in which he delivers his message is completely classless and idiotic. Just like him. The issue is much more complicated than throwing down some stats. He's not smart enough to do anything about it, to understand the plight of anyone living it or even remotely sympathetic to families in the situation. That is why I nominate him for the Lit Assclown Blowhard of the Year award.

 

[CaudaLinea]

I think we have a candidate for the second Assclown Blowhard of the Year.

 

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

I doubt, seriously, the success or failure of a single parent home has anything to do with race or gender. Sure there are different situations for different parents. In the end, it depends upon whether the parent has the will power, stamina, and resourcefulness to rise above themselves without accepting excuses or placing the blame of their disposition on others.

I have no children, however, there is no doubt in my mind responsible single parenthood has to be the toughest, emotional, and grueling job in the world. From what I have witnessed of successful single parents, their biggest enemies are the critics who know nothing of their situation(s).