Wheelchair lifts for swimming pools

[Ishmael]

There would be exactly zero trials. If a city was sued for not putting in a ramp in time they would not let it go to trial. There would be no reason.

Well moron, the law applies to EVERY public pool. That includes hotels/motels, water parks, YM(YW)CA's, health club spa's, etc. Virtually every pool that's not in someone's backyard.

If you had bothered to do any research whatsoever you'd find that 'approved' ramps/lifts run in the $5-$10K range before installation. And that's just the beginning. Most of those pools are unattended as far as life guards go, let just one cripple drown in an ADA accessible pool and the shit is going to hit the fan. Any facility operator that doesn't employ a full time life guard would be borderline insane, the liability is just far too high. The answer is to close the pool.

I wonder if Wet'n Wild is going to have to install an elevator for the water slide?

Ishmael

 

[off2bed]

"every publicly accessible pool — from municipal facilities to hotels — must have two "accessible means of entry," at least one of which must be a ramp or wheelchair lift."

If one is a ramp, what would the other one be?

Answer: Whichever is cheaper to build and/or maintain.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

The Americans with Disabilities Act. Brought to you by a president from... which party was it?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/Bush_signs_in_ADA_of_1990.jpg

Just another example of being against anything done during a Democratic administration, even if it came to be in a Republican one.

 

[unregistered]

 

[off2bed]

I wonder if Wet'n Wild is going to have to install an elevator for the water slide?

Ishmael

Yes, they will. There goes a hundred grand.

 

[off2bed]

For this to even come up, and as a political jab, is fucking sad.

Politicians gave us the ADA.

 

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

There's no requirement for a lift. It can be a simple ramp they drop in there.

You, obviously, have never tried to maintain a public pool. There are a lot of complications with that. Forget the lift proposal for a moment. First, most wheel chairs cannot go into pools without causing damage to the wheel chair as most are not water proof enough to be submerged. 2nd, the ramp would rarely be used for such a purpose in a public pool. 3rd, all the other folks are going to bitch about the ramp being in their way. And you cannot simply drop a ramp into one. It has to follow specific health and code guidelines. In some cases, especially smaller public pools, having a ramp in the pool could disrupt the water flow and circulation of the pool. That circulation is required to keep the ph levels safe for the public. Most of those ramps, especially in apt communities, will never be used for their intended purpose.

If the pool were specifically designed for handicapped persons, that would be an entirely different story all together.

 

[Ishmael]

A ramp into the shallow end, typically 3' deep, would have to be 36' long and have a level landing no more than 30' along to comply with ramp requirements of the ADA.

They said you had to have two of them.

How much room is left to swim in?

How many wheelchairs are designed to go into the water?

I found one, it sells for about $1100.

Ishmael

 

[off2bed]

I found one, it sells for about $1100.

Ishmael

How long till some paralyzed vet on Soros' payroll goes before Congress to demand they be free?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Just another example of being against anything done during a Democratic administration, even if it came to be in a Republican one.

Democrat Congress wrote the bill...

Bush just kept signing stuff they passed.

It's why he was a one-term President; his peeps made him walk the plank.



You are rewriting history to make a partisan point about hypocrisy and now, you have not succeeded because some of us remember the time before Clinton...

 

[mercury14]

Politicians gave us the ADA.

Additionally we have the ADA Amendments Act of 2008 which expanded the 1990 law... Brought to you by President George W Bush and voted for unanimously by every single Republican Senator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADA_Amendments_Act_of_2008

 

[mercury14]

Democrat Congress wrote the bill...

Bush just kept signing stuff they passed.

It's why he was a one-term President; his peeps made him walk the plank.



You are rewriting history to make a partisan point about hypocrisy and now, you have not succeeded because some of us remember the time before Clinton...

Who gives a shit if a Democrat wrote it? Republicans in both the House and Senate supported it overwhelmingly and the Republican president signed it. That means they're responsible for it.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Democrat Congress wrote the bill...

Bush just kept signing stuff they passed.

It's why he was a one-term President; his peeps made him walk the plank.



You are rewriting history to make a partisan point about hypocrisy and now, you have not succeeded because some of us remember the time before Clinton...

Additionally we have the ADA Amendments Act of 2008 which expanded the 1990 law... Brought to you by President George W Bush and voted for unanimously by every single Republican Senator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADA_Amendments_Act_of_2008

But... that can't be right! The Cap'n says otherwise.

You don't mean that he's a lying sack of shit do you?

 

[off2bed]

Additionally we have the ADA Amendments Act of 2008 which expanded the 1990 law... Brought to you by President George W Bush and voted for unanimously by every single Republican Senator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADA_Amendments_Act_of_2008

Because Political Correctness made the prospect of public persecution a more unpleasant option than following the Constitution.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Because Political Correctness made the prospect of public persecution a more unpleasant option than following the Constitution.

So your position is that the GOP elected a bunch of spineless morons who don't care about the Constitution to Congress?

 

[JohnnySavage]

Just another example of being against anything done during a Democratic administration, even if it came to be in a Republican one.

He was a RINO

 

[JohnnySavage]

Additionally we have the ADA Amendments Act of 2008 which expanded the 1990 law... Brought to you by President George W Bush and voted for unanimously by every single Republican Senator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADA_Amendments_Act_of_2008

RINOs

 

[JohnnySavage]

The EPA... the Clean Air Act... the Clean Water Act... CERCLA... RCRA...

Damnable RINO legislation!

 

[off2bed]

Conservatives didn't leave the Republican party, the Republican party left us.

Just as the Democrat party left the true working class behind, in favor of the radical Marxists.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Additionally we have the ADA Amendments Act of 2008 which expanded the 1990 law... Brought to you by President George W Bush and voted for unanimously by every single Republican Senator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADA_Amendments_Act_of_2008

Still a Democratic Congress bringing it up.

That means they didn't need the Republican votes and Republicans don't dare vote against the handicapped in an election year (and since their votes were simply window dressing, it comes to no harm to them), no matter the price and the waste of Capital and Democrats don't care about Capital, just fairness, neither do they care about reality for water is the great equalizer for the handicapped and for the most part those that are in a wheelchair are either capable of getting themselves in and out of the pool or not capable of swimming any more than the lifeguards are trained to meet the special needs of those incapable of leaving their chair; let their therapists and family get them in and out of the pool; if they are going it on their own, then that is demanding the city pay for their death which makes it most cost efficient to close the public pools to all.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You two partisans keep equating the Administrative with the totality of government.



Even Johnny is falling a little suspect to it.

 

[JohnnySavage]

You two partisans keep equating the Administrative with the totality of government.



Even Johnny is falling a little suspect to it.

Johnny is in pain and just amusing hisself.

 

[mercury14]

Conservatives didn't leave the Republican party, the Republican party left us.

Every single one?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Johnny is in pain and just amusing hisself.

I feel your pain...



Six hours in the driver's seat yesterday.

Nixon was a Republican, but neither the EPA or Price Controls were a conservative/libertarian thing...

 

[unregistered]