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Should the Federal Government be setting a national core curriculum? As you may recall, the "No Child Left Behind" law, co-sponsored by that noted right-wing idealogue Teddy Kennedy, let states set minimum standards and then set a number of carrots and sticks (incentives and punishments) for schools that didn't meet the standards that were set by their state education administration. This gave states great flexibility in how they set their standards and gave some flexibility in the carrots and sticks.

The motivation behind this law was to improve our schools across the board through a variety of means including bringing more consequences to schools who didn't meet the minimum standards for serving their communities. One of the more controversial elements of it was that after a period of years of consistent failure, the first step would be state takeover and additional funding and later, if there wasn't improvement, the parents would have the chance to opt out of the schools (school choice) and take their kids to other schools, a stipulation that the teacher's unions found great umbridge with.

At any rate, as noted below, the formation of the Department of Education as well as the "No child left behind" law both stipulated that the federal government would not dictate a central core curriculum. This emphasis on decentralization was done for many reasons which I note, are mostly based on the concern for maintaining a level of freedom for our citizens consistent with the Constitution and with some concern about how other countries have used education for propaganda.

I can see how there'd be some national interest in setting a core curriculum, but does this further incursion onto our freedoms and our concerns about an overbearing government trump this need?

For those of you liberals who might cheer this as an means of "straightening out" those states that you disagree with on curriculum (choice of courses, books, etc), will you be equally enthusiastic when a conservative administration comes in and makes massive changes? Will the core curriculum bounce back and forth as administrations change? If it does, what will be the impact on the kids? The costs to the schools? The sanity of the teachers?

This is an interesting article....some good references too.


Those pesky things called laws
By George F. Will
Published: March 9
Washington Post

Two policies of the Obama administration illustrate an axiom: As government expands, its lawfulness contracts. Consider the administration’s desire to continue funding UNESCO and to develop a national curriculum for primary and secondary education.

In 1994, Congress stipulated that no U.S. funds shall go to “any affiliated organization” of the United Nations that “grants full membership as a state to any organization or group that does not have the internationally recognized attributes of statehood.” Last October, UNESCO (the U.N. Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization)voted to confer membership on Palestine. Although there are waiver provisions in most laws restricting executive discretion in foreign relations, the 107 national delegations that voted to extend membership to Palestine were told there is no such provision in the pertinent law. The United States immediately cut off funding, which is 22 percent of UNESCO’s budget.

But President Obama’s 2013 budget seeks $78,968,000 for UNESCO and says: “The Department of State intends to work with Congress to seek legislation that would provide authority to waive restrictions on paying the U.S. assessed contributions to UNESCO.” The administration regards the 18-year-old statute as an evanescent inconvenience — that Congress will obediently tug its forelock and grant a waiver provision enabling the executive branch to slip the leash of law.

Meanwhile, the Education Department is pretending that three laws do not mean what they clearly say. This is documented in the Pioneer Institute’s report “The Road to a National Curriculum: The Legal Aspects of the Common Core Standards, Race to the Top, and Conditional Waivers” by Robert S. Eitel, Kent D. Talbert and Williamson M. Evers, all former senior officials in the Education Department.

The 1965 Elementary and Secondary Education Act (ESEA) — No Child Left Behind is its ninth iteration — intruded the federal government into this traditionally state and local responsibility. It said that “nothing in this act” shall authorize any federal official to “mandate, direct, or control” a state’s, local educational agency’s or school’s curriculum. The General Education Provisions Act of 1970, which supposedly controls federal education programs, stipulates that “no provision of any applicable program shall be construed to authorize” any federal agency or official “to exercise any direction, supervision, or control over the curriculum, program of instruction” or selection of “instructional materials” by “any educational institution or school system.”

The 1979 law establishing the Education Department forbids it from exercising “any direction, supervision, or control over the curriculum” or “program of instruction” of any school or school system. The ESEA as amended goes further: No funds provided to the Education Department “may be used . . . to endorse, approve, or sanction any curriculum designed to be used in” kindergarten through 12th grade.

However . . .

What authors Eitel, Talbert and Evers call the Education Department’s “incremental march down the road to a national curriculum” begins with the Common Core State Standards Initiative (CCSS). It is an initiative not of any state legislature but of a governors association, state school officials and private foundations. This push advanced when the Race to the Top Fund (RTTT, part of the 2009 stimulus) said that peer reviewers of applications for money should favor those states that join a majority of states in developing and adopting common standards. The 11 states and the District of Columbia that won Race to the Top funding had adopted or indicated an intention to adopt the CCSS, which will require changes in curricula.

An Education Department synopsis of discussions with members of the public about priorities in competition for RTTT money says “the goal of common K-12 standards is to replace the existing patchwork of state standards.” Progressives celebrate diversity in everything but thought.

The Obama administration is granting conditional waivers to states chafing under No Child Left Behind’s unrealistic accountability requirements. The waivers are contingent on each state adopting certain standards “that are common to a significant number of states,” or the state may adopt standards endorsed by its institutions of higher education — if those standards are consistent with the Education Department’s guidelines.

We have been warned. Joseph Califano, secretary of health, education and welfare in the Carter administration, noted that “in its most extreme form, national control of curriculum is a form of national control of ideas.”

Here again laws are cobwebs. As government becomes bigger, it becomes more lawless. As the regulatory state’s micromanagement of society metastasizes, inconvenient laws are construed — by those the laws are supposed to restrain — as porous and permissive, enabling the executive branch to render them nullities.
 
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that silly policy led us to lowering standards with tragic results.

discipline is far to lax in schools. lack of discipline creates a poor learning environment.
 
It's a local issue and should be left to the local school boards. I live in the #1 school district in the country, and it's been #1 for several years running not because of a Federal mandate but because parents demanded a tough curriculum that prepared the kids for college - and the vast majority of the 140,000+ kids in this district go on to college
 
I am all for school choice. If somebody chooses to use the government issued curriculum, great. If they do not like that, they can go to a different school. The dilemma I cannot solve is how it should be funded. The voucher thing seems wonky to me. Oh, that, and what should be the standard, and how would those standards be enforced?
 
It's a local issue and should be left to the local school boards. I live in the #1 school district in the country, and it's been #1 for several years running not because of a Federal mandate but because parents demanded a tough curriculum that prepared the kids for college - and the vast majority of the 140,000+ kids in this district go on to college

I live in a community with top local schools as well and you are 100% correct that you have to have parent involvement demanding great schools. That and a lot of money.

But the OP is asking should we have "a national core curriculum?". Let the local districts have a wide sway, but there has to be a core of math and science.

@Wok "School choice" is thinly a disguised way of saying we are not going to prop up the schools of poorer communities.
 
I live in a community with top local schools as well and you are 100% correct that you have to have parent involvement demanding great schools. That and a lot of money.

But the OP is asking should we have "a national core curriculum?". Let the local districts have a wide sway, but there has to be a core of math and science.

@Wok "School choice" is thinly a disguised way of saying we are not going to prop up the schools of poorer communities.

Hence the funding dilemma.

As for a national core curriculum, the question is who sets/enforces the standards if the government is not involved or minimally involved?
 
I live in a community with top local schools as well and you are 100% correct that you have to have parent involvement demanding great schools. That and a lot of money.

But the OP is asking should we have "a national core curriculum?". Let the local districts have a wide sway, but there has to be a core of math and science.

@Wok "School choice" is thinly a disguised way of saying we are not going to prop up the schools of poorer communities.

The 'national core curriculum' is the ability to score high enough on the SAT or ACT to get into college.
 
My older brother and sisters went to a one room school house with a pot belly stove in the center, and they turned out just fine. Education isn't about the money.
 
Build the best school in the world with all the kickass doodads. It will produce a bunch of dumbasses unless there are parents supporting the system.
 
My older brother and sisters went to a one room school house with a pot belly stove in the center, and they turned out just fine. Education isn't about the money.

There's a guy named Ferrol Sams who writes for Penguin books who grew up in the rural south. He also went to a one room school and as I recall, he references his graduation class of 5. He pontificates on spending in education and notes that of his graduating class of 5 there were two doctors, a lawyer and a judge, and (intent - not quote) we were able to graduate despite not having an indoor pool at our one room school. Dr. Sams interupted his medical studies at Emory for a quick sabatical to volunteer for the Army during World War II and served in France.
 
The big issue identified by George Will is for us to think about, and maybe decide, whether we want the national government to dictate the curriculum across the nation with all the baggage that it carries.
 
The big issue identified by George Will is for us to think about, and maybe decide, whether we want the national government to dictate the curriculum across the nation with all the baggage that it carries.

Alright, say the Department of Education gets tossed tomorrow. What replaces it, if anything?
 
Recall that ALL government spending goes to the King, the kings soldiers, and to buy time from the kings enemies.

Schools began as local initiatives to make Gomer and Goober literate. When they cant read they tend to make bread from shit like Paris Green? (flour and poison) and die.

Then schools expanded their scope of work to train apprentices for unions. I graduated such a technical high school. These schools offered sundry trades to men and women.

Today, local schools endeavor to make scholars of every feral Democrat who slouches and shuffles in from the projects for a cameo appearance at school. School administrators get a cut of the money for every ghetto rat who takes/fails an AP course. These old galz make some serious money from it. Around here 75% never graduate, about the same percentage who pump out pups in their teens.

Where the schools still offer vocational training the kids learn web design, video production, and gourmet cooking. No car mechanics. No masons. No carpenters. No plumbers. No office clerks.

The scholars shuffle off to college where they spend a year taking remedial courses for readin ritin and cipherin.
 
There has to be a minimum core curriculum that equips kids for life in the 21st century. Other than that local control should be the rule.

And there needs to be protection from school districts teaching things like creationism as science.
 
There has to be a minimum core curriculum that equips kids for life in the 21st century. Other than that local control should be the rule.

And there needs to be protection from school districts teaching things like creationism as science.

And can't have the little tykes reading the likes of Huckleberry Finn. Oh, and make sure global warming is included in the science curriculum.
 
I am all for school choice. If somebody chooses to use the government issued curriculum, great. If they do not like that, they can go to a different school. The dilemma I cannot solve is how it should be funded. The voucher thing seems wonky to me. Oh, that, and what should be the standard, and how would those standards be enforced?

I live in a community with top local schools as well and you are 100% correct that you have to have parent involvement demanding great schools. That and a lot of money.

But the OP is asking should we have "a national core curriculum?". Let the local districts have a wide sway, but there has to be a core of math and science.

@Wok "School choice" is thinly a disguised way of saying we are not going to prop up the schools of poorer communities.

That is why other places use vouchers....because that attaches the money to the student. If a school sucks the parents wont bring their kids to the suck school no matter what neighborhood it's parked in. The good school (the ones that perform and do their fucking job) will get the kids and their vouchers, no matter where it's parked.

So by attaching the money to the kid and offering the choice of where to send your kid you eliminate the tax/neighborhood boundaries and the schools that perform get paid. The schools that don't...go out of business.
 
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