Utah Republicans pass law banning all sex ed in schools

[4est_4est_Gump]

OKAY! How exactly has sex ed helped society? It employs lotsa people but what else has it accomplished?

Limbaugh material?

 

[mercury14]

OKAY! How exactly has sex ed helped society? It employs lotsa people but what else has it accomplished?

Sex Ed leads to significantly decreased rates of teen pregnancy and STIs compared to "letting the parents handle it all" and abstainence-only. This has been the subject of a massive amount of research spanning decades. Is this the first you're hearing about it?

If you'd like I can link dozens of studies that show the efficacy of sex ed, or you can Google "is sex education effective".

 

[koalabear]

OKAY! How exactly has sex ed helped society? It employs lotsa people but what else has it accomplished?

It's given us TV reality shows like ,Shows like "Teen Mom" and "16 and Pregnant".

 

[Saint Peter]

You old fuckers have forgotten what is like to be young, dumb, and full of cum.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Good one koala!

"Social issues were nonexistent in the period 1932 to 1964," notes Bell. "The Republican Party won two presidential elections out of nine, and they had the Congress for all of four years in that entire period. ... When social issues came into the mix -- I would date it from the 1968 election ... the Republican Party won seven out of 11 presidential elections."

Bell concludes, as have many others, that American social conservatism began in response to the sexual revolution of the 1960s. Thus, it is unsurprising that all of the most significant "social" issues in America today are sexual issues.

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Therefore, the phrase "social issues" is a bit of a misnomer. Topics like abortion, homosexuality, marriage, contraception, and the like are not hot political issues simply because -- as the word "social" implies -- they relate to people's personal lives. They are hot political issues because they reside deeply in the moral realm of our culture. We are not debating mere "social" issues; we are debating moral issues.

Being a nation that was "conceived in liberty" -- and for modern conservatism to have so wrapped itself up in the concept of liberty -- it is often seen as a contradiction that conservatives wish to "legislate morality." However, as Edmund Burke (considered by many the father of modern conservatism) noted, "[m]en are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their appetites[.] ... Society cannot exist unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere, and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free."

Is there little doubt that when these words first came to Burke in the late 18th century, among other things, mankind's sexual appetite was foremost in his thought? Since our founding we have had laws that govern moral, including sexual, behavior. Our Founders -- and throughout our nation's history, most of our lawmakers and judges -- understood well Burke's implication that true liberty cannot exist without those "moral chains" which bind our "appetites."

For decades now, and with significant success, liberals have fought to break those Judeo-Christian "moral chains" that they have deemed unjustly binding.

They desire to force a new "morality" on us, one anchored to nothing and with no anchor Liberty may drift wherever, even into the shoals of tyranny...

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/social_issues_are_really_moral_issues.html#ixzz1ooSc28pR

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You old fuckers have forgotten what is like to be young, dumb, and full of cum.

On the contrary, I remember it well.

But is it not a bit contradictory to do all we can to not punish a 17 year-old girl with a pregnancy but will throw the book at an 18 year-old guy for having sex with the same 17 year-old girl?

 

[koalabear]

You old fuckers have forgotten what is like to be young, dumb, and full of cum.

My family didn't own a sheep ranch like yours did.

 

[Saint Peter]

What a bunch of bullshit.

You all did not walk on water. You were horny young people that wanted nothing more than the chance to get laid.

Kids today are no different. Educate them so they understand the mechanics. Provide them with the technology to prevent pregnancy.

 

[koalabear]

What a bunch of bullshit.

You all did not walk on water. You were horny young people that wanted nothing more than the chance to get laid.

Kids today are no different. Educate them so they understand the mechanics. Provide them with the technology to prevent pregnancy.

My parents did that.

 

[Saint Peter]

On the contrary, I remember it well.

But is it not a bit contradictory to do all we can to not punish a 17 year-old girl with a pregnancy but will throw the book at an 18 year-old guy for having sex with the same 17 year-old girl?

While that might be inconsistent, it is not about sex education.

 

[Bob_Bytchin]

What a bunch of bullshit.

You all did not walk on water. You were horny young people that wanted nothing more than the chance to get laid.

Kids today are no different. Educate them so they understand the mechanics. Provide them with the technology to prevent pregnancy.

Exactly! Leaving a hormone driven kid in ignorance doesn't turn off the hormones. Here in Texas, they push for kids to be abstinent, a "worth the wait" program.

Abstinence is unrealistic.

Arming our kids with knowledge, and letting them make informed choices is not only the right thing to do, it's the best thing to do.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

While that might be inconsistent, it is not about sex education.

Yes it is. The insistence on sex education goes hand-in-hand with Liberal men telling young girls, "Look, you cannot hep yourself, you poor innocent little thing, but when I have my way with you, I want no complications therefore I want you educated in contraception and make it known through the same medium that abortion is not a scarlet letter..."

So the over-riding message we impart to them is that they are going to do it, and when they do it, here is how we want them to do it.

 

[mercury14]

Exactly! Leaving a hormone driven kid in ignorance doesn't turn off the hormones. Here in Texas, they push for kids to be abstinent, a "worth the wait" program.

Abstinence is unrealistic.

Arming our kids with knowledge, and letting them make informed choices is not only the right thing to do, it's the best thing to do.

Research shows that when kids are given accurate information about sex, they have less of it, with fewer partners, and have sex in less risky ways.

 

[mercury14]

Yes it is. The insistence on sex education goes hand-in-hand with Liberal men telling young girls, "Look, you cannot hep yourself, you poor innocent little thing, but when I have my way with you, I want no complications therefore I want you educated in contraception and make it known through the same medium that abortion is not a scarlet letter..."

So the over-riding message we impart to them is that they are going to do it, and when they do it, here is how we want them to do it.

Research shows that you are incorrect.

 

[mercury14]

On the contrary, I remember it well.

Did you just say you remember being full of cum?

 

[Bob_Bytchin]

Did you just say you remember being full of cum?

That was before he knew the difference between oral and aural.

 

[mercury14]

It does not even occur to you that in the new normative economy that an elective class might be cancelled to make sure there is money and room for things like science...



Quit trivializing in order to isolate and ridicule.

And please, please, please for you own sake, quit lying to people.

How is your Googling going to find a middle school that offers full-blown electives such as sex ed? Or any school of any type - anywhere - that offers sex ed as an elective?

 

[JohnnySavage]

It's a local issue. If the state and local school boards don't want to spend scarce education dollars on fluff, they don't need too. If someone wants their kids to learn about sex on the public dollar, all they have to do is get enough like-minded people to vote for board members that agree with them. Alternatively, they can move somewhere that offers the curriculum they want their little bastards to study.



Disclaimer: I don't live in Utah, have never lived in Utah, and will never live in Utah. Therefore, I don't really care what Utahians do.

 

[mercury14]

It's a local issue. If the state and local school boards don't want to spend scarce education dollars on fluff, they don't need too. If someone wants their kids to learn about sex on the public dollar, all they have to do is get enough like-minded people to vote for board members that agree with them. Alternatively, they can move somewhere that offers the curriculum they want their little bastards to study.



Disclaimer: I don't live in Utah, have never lived in Utah, and will never live in Utah. Therefore, I don't really care what Utahians do.

Typically conservative states don't spend much on "fluff" like sex education. Or they spend money on abstinence-only education.

Top 10 states with highest teen birth rates:

Mississippi
New Mexico
Texas
Arkansas
Arizona
Oklahoma
Nevada
Tennessee
Kentucky
Georgia


How many blue states do we see here?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It's a local issue. If the state and local school boards don't want to spend scarce education dollars on fluff, they don't need too. If someone wants their kids to learn about sex on the public dollar, all they have to do is get enough like-minded people to vote for board members that agree with them. Alternatively, they can move somewhere that offers the curriculum they want their little bastards to study.



Disclaimer: I don't live in Utah, have never lived in Utah, and will never live in Utah. Therefore, I don't really care what Utahians do.

The only reason anyone cares is the tag "Republican."

 

[mercury14]

The only reason anyone cares is the tag "Republican."

The reason people care is because Republicans keep attacking medicine, science, and women.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Typically conservative states don't spend much on "fluff" like sex education. Or they spend money on abstinence-only education.

Top 10 states with highest teen birth rates:

Mississippi
New Mexico
Texas
Arkansas
Arizona
Oklahoma
Nevada
Tennessee
Kentucky
Georgia


How many blue states do we see here?

So what? It's the government's job to control the age at which a citizen is allowed to reproduce? Maybe the government should also limit the number of children each couple can have. And breed out imperfections. Maybe an IQ test and a license to bang?

Keep your government to yourself.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The reason people care is because Republicans keep attacking medicine, science, and women.

Those are just serious charges from the people doing the real attacking...

Funny thing is, they will tolerate in Islam that which they feel compelled to stomp out of Christianity.

Islam is a celebration of "diversity."

 

[Saint Peter]

Islam is a celebration of "diversity."

No celebration. Just protection under the Constitution.

Move along.

 

[mercury14]

So what? It's the government's job to control the age at which a citizen is allowed to reproduce? Maybe the government should also limit the number of children each couple can have. And breed out imperfections. Maybe an IQ test and a license to bang?

Keep your government to yourself.

I never suggested anything of the sort. Funny you should imply that I did.

I also never suggested that Utah does not have the right to eliminate sex ed. They can do all the ignorant things they want and legislate as much of their morality as they want as long as it's within Constitutional bounds.

There is a line though. I support a certain federal minimum standard that keeps rural Tennessee school districts from canceling their biology curriculum and replacing it with stories about Jesus riding dinosaurs to Church. But sex ed, as cheap and effective as it is, is considered fluff by so many.