Health insurance for Catholics

[phrodeau]

Health insurance companies will be obliged to cover birth control expenses.

Catholics are demanding that they don't cover their birth control expenses.

Why don't Catholics simply refuse to submit their birth control expenses to their health insurance providers?

 

[koalabear]

Health insurance companies will be obliged to cover birth control expenses.

Catholics are demanding that they don't cover their birth control expenses.

Why don't Catholics simply refuse to submit their birth control expenses to their health insurance providers?

That wouldn't change the fact Oblamer lied to them.

 

[KRCummings]

They're protesting the idea that they have to pay for coverage of something they don't believe in not that they have to use it.

 

[Balladeer08]

Health insurance companies will be obliged to cover birth control expenses.

Catholics are demanding that they don't cover their birth control expenses.

Why don't Catholics simply refuse to submit their birth control expenses to their health insurance providers?

Because that would be at the employee's choice, and the Church wouldn't be controlling them? Just a thought.


My understanding was that the CHURCHES are not being required to provide birth control coverage to their employees. But the BUSINESSES owned by the Church are. That is a whole different thing.

If the Church decides to by a gym shouldn't they have to give their employees the same coverage as other gyms? Otherwise it is an unfair competitive advantage to the Church-run gym. Lower costs that the regular gyms can't avoid.

So if the Church runs a hospital, they should be required to give employees the same coverage that other hospitals have to give.

I don't see this as violating their religious right, or infringing on their Church. When you are doing Church things, the exemption applies. Businesses are not Church things. And the other businesses deserve a level playing field.

 

[phrodeau]

They're protesting the idea that they have to pay for coverage of something they don't believe in not that they have to use it.

If it would never get used, the insurance company could lower their premiums.

 

[KRCummings]

If it would never get used, the insurance company could lower their premiums.

If you look up right now you'll see their point flying over.

 

[Balladeer08]

If it would never get used, the insurance company could lower their premiums.

When they step into the business world, they step out from behind their religious protection.

It must be thus.

Otherwise we would have "religions" that don't believe in hiring minorities. Or "religions" that don't believe in paying secular taxes.

I don't think anyone would advocate allowing such "beliefs" to transcend the walls of their church and go into any business the church decides to invest in.

And you know someone would. It would be an unbelieveable advantage to not have to pay the same taxes as competing businesses, or the same insurance coverage...

Hell, as cynical as I am getting, I might open a "church" to improve my business if that kind of crap is allowed. You almost have too, to try to keep a level playing field.

Just because a church owns a business does not exempt that business from the same laws as other businesses of the same type.

 

[pornstarwannabe]

I don't see this as violating their religious right, or infringing on their Church. When you are doing Church things, the exemption applies. Businesses are not Church things. And the other businesses deserve a level playing field.

Explain to us why you think the "other businesses deserve a level playing field." Then ponder why condoms are not covered... and if one "business" provides condom coverage, should the government then force all plans to pay for condoms - you know, so that the businesses have a level playing field?

 

[atmas]

Catholic institutions do not employ just catholics. That's why.

 

[sigh]

When they step into the business world, they step out from behind their religious protection.

The Catholic Church was into hospitals centuries before caring for the sick became a business. That church-run hospitals eventually had to adopt the methods of corporate businessmen was just a reality of life in the twentieth century.

To true Catholics, heath care is a serious part of their religious mission.

 

[Liar]

Catholic institutions do not employ just catholics. That's why.

And they want to impose their catholic views on their non-catholic employees.

 

[Liar]

The Catholic Church was into hospitals centuries before caring for the sick became a business. That church-run hospitals eventually had to adopt the methods of corporate businessmen was just a reality of life in the twentieth century.

To true Catholics, heath care is a serious part of their religious mission.

Are they non profit?

 

[atmas]

And they want to impose their catholic views on their non-catholic employees.

They don't prohibit their employees from getting contraception or abortifacients, they just don't feel compelled to provide them because it is exactly contrary to what they believe.

 

[Liar]

They don't prohibit their employees from getting contraception or abortifacients, they just don't feel compelled to provide them because it is exactly contrary to what they believe.

Yeah, I get that. I'm just then curious what other medical procedure or medication you think an employer should have the right to deny ensuring because they feel like it.

 

[koalabear]

Yeah, I get that. I'm just then curious what other medical procedure or medication you think an employer should have the right to deny ensuring because they feel like it.

I'm just curious what other medical procedure or medication you think the government should have the right to demand because they feel like it.

 

[Ham Murabi]

Health insurance companies will be obliged to cover birth control expenses.

Catholics are demanding that they don't cover their birth control expenses.

Why don't Catholics simply refuse to submit their birth control expenses to their health insurance providers?

This is where ObamaCare and Obamanomics collide. As the phro pointed out, health insurance companies are compelled to cover birth control expenses and a shitload of other stuff in ObamaCare. And Obamanomics posits that stuffing said shitload of coverage into every policy should not cost insurance companies anything extra, which flies in the face of common sense unless you're a Democrat.
This is how ObamaCare is saving all of us money, even though my deductible has risen to $2,500, my prescription benefit costs me more and the office visit co-pay doubled.
With savings like that, why didn't those fuckers in the Republican Party do this years ago?

 

[TexasWife25]

Is this the same argument about Catholic hospitals , the hospitals who accept federal funds?

 

[TexasWife25]

I'm just curious what other medical procedure or medication you think the government should have the right to demand because they feel like it.

Sonograms for those seeking abortions.

 

[Ham Murabi]

Is this the same argument about Catholic hospitals , the hospitals who accept federal funds?

That's right. Once you make a deal with the devil, what do you expect?

 

[Liar]

I'm just curious what other medical procedure or medication you think the government should have the right to demand because they feel like it.

Those that makes medical sense. To, you know, doctors.

 

[mercury14]

Catholics are demanding that they don't cover their birth control expenses.

Not Catholics, a few Catholics. 98% of sexually active Catholic women use birth control.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011...women-us-use-birth-cont-idUSTRE73D4SZ20110414

 

[Kruge]

Not Catholics, a few Catholics. 98% of sexually active Catholic women use birth control.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011...women-us-use-birth-cont-idUSTRE73D4SZ20110414

How dare you bring up what they practice. Let's keep the focus on what they preach.

 

[mercury14]

This is where ObamaCare and Obamanomics collide. As the phro pointed out, health insurance companies are compelled to cover birth control expenses and a shitload of other stuff in ObamaCare. And Obamanomics posits that stuffing said shitload of coverage into every policy should not cost insurance companies anything extra, which flies in the face of common sense unless you're a Democrat.
This is how ObamaCare is saving all of us money, even though my deductible has risen to $2,500, my prescription benefit costs me more and the office visit co-pay doubled.
With savings like that, why didn't those fuckers in the Republican Party do this years ago?

When insurance companies cover birth control they save money. Pregnancies and deliveries are quite expensive. High risk pregnancies are exceedingly expensive. Special needs babies are preposterously expensive. Having to provide coverage for a new family member even if healthy is quite expensive.

IUDs, shots, and pills are dirt cheap.

This is one area where Obama's health care reform saves money. Except not all that much since most insurers already covered birth control since it's smart money.

 

[mercury14]

Then ponder why condoms are not covered... and if one "business" provides condom coverage, should the government then force all plans to pay for condoms - you know, so that the businesses have a level playing field?

Condoms are not covered by prescription drug plans because they are not prescription drugs. Also tennis balls are not covered by prescription drug plans due to the fact that they are not prescription drugs either.

(Also condoms are free at your county's health department)

 

[sigh]

Are they non profit?

That's a different question altogether. I was just pointing out a bit of history to someone who thinks that the church decided to go into hospitals as a business sideline.