Question on under age story...

[oggbashan]

As others have pointed out, writing about underage sex -- whether it's older and younger, or two underage people -- is not illegal. So there's no reason to shut them down.

In the UK it is legal, with parental permission, for people to marry at age 16. They could have legitimate children by age 18.

But I can't and won't write about sex under 18 on Literotica because that would be against Literotica guidelines. I accept that as part of being on this site.

I know several parents who are aged less than 16, or were under 16 when the child was born. It isn't that unusual - but I wouldn't write about them here. In practice I wouldn't write about them anywhere because it would attract the sort of readers I would rather not have. I collect enough weirdos as it is, without writing for those who like underage sex.

The owners set the rules. We have several threads a year trying to bend the 'no sex before 18' guideline. If you want to post a story here, please remember that everyone can become a sex-driven athlete on the 18th birthday but has NO experiences before that day.

 

[lance gt]

I know one way of getting around it, is by saying they were almost 18 when they first started touching. The Bot picks up 18 and everything is good. It looks for anything that designates specific age. Another way is using dates (years), to tell the age. Bots don't pick up very well on that.

 

[Anjasa]

As others have pointed out, writing about underage sex -- whether it's older and younger, or two underage people -- is not illegal. So there's no reason to shut them down.

Last I checked, it is illegal in Canada to have any art that is meant to arouse that has underaged characters, including hentai and erotica.

I think I recall last I checked 18 was the magic number, even though AOC is 16 here. So you could actually have sex with a 17 year old, but not write an erotic fiction about you having sex with a 17 year old. Haven't looked into it since Harper got a majority though.

As well, there have been a few small, rare cases of underage writing coming up in American court systems, as well as a judge in Australia that ruled that Simpsons porn with Bart and Lisa is illegal.

It's a grey area of law, at best.

Though in thinking about it, I do realize I know of several sites that host art or writing of underage stuff and they're large, well known and have no legal issues. So I prove my point wrongish.

 

[Safe_Bet]

I know one way of getting around it, is by saying they were almost 18 when they first started touching. The Bot picks up 18 and everything is good. It looks for anything that designates specific age. Another way is using dates (years), to tell the age. Bots don't pick up very well on that.

But dude, why would you TRY to get around it? The site owners have made it clear that they don't want any mention of anything under 18 to be mentioned.

To circumvent their wishes is disingenuous at best and pretty. ungrateful (and down right bullshit) IMO.

 

[Safe_Bet]

As others have pointed out, writing about underage sex -- whether it's older and younger, or two underage people -- is not illegal. So there's no reason to shut them down.

It may not be prosecuteable, but you should ask Frank McCoy on whether you can be arrested for writing stories with underage people in them. He might disagree.

 

[lance gt]

But dude, why would you TRY to get around it? The site owners have made it clear that they don't want any mention of anything under 18 to be mentioned.

To circumvent their wishes is disingenuous at best and pretty. ungrateful (and down right bullshit) IMO.

Not really, Amy. In reference to the story at hand, that his characters aren't having sex per se, but just some exploratory touching that leads to a chubby, isn't going against the owner's wishes. It's the Bot that picks up age reference and declines the story.
I wrote about a character who was out with her 16 yr old daughter and it snubbed me and said it contained underage sex. The mother and daughter were swimming in the ocean and playing, with no sex mentioned or implied, so I had to mark it in the notes for them to read personally.
That was the issue I was refering to with my comments. I don't condone underage sex stories, but the difference between 17 1/2 and 18 is negligable, in this instance.

 

[PennLady]

In the UK it is legal, with parental permission, for people to marry at age 16. They could have legitimate children by age 18.

You can do that in the US as well, I believe, at least in certain states. The "age of consent" varies from state to state, and is often younger than 18, which is "legal age." Except you can't drink. Like you, though, I wouldn't write about that on this site b/c it's against their guidelines (and also b/c I just don't want to).

Last I checked, it is illegal in Canada to have any art that is meant to arouse that has underaged characters, including hentai and erotica.

Yes, but the site is in the US. I admit I'm not clear on US law on this point, but still, they'd be following US law.

But dude, why would you TRY to get around it? The site owners have made it clear that they don't want any mention of anything under 18 to be mentioned.

To circumvent their wishes is disingenuous at best and pretty. ungrateful (and down right bullshit) IMO.

Indeed.

It may not be prosecuteable, but you should ask Frank McCoy on whether you can be arrested for writing stories with underage people in them. He might disagree.

I googled Frank McCoy, as I'd never heard of this case before. I didn't do a big search, and there's more than one Frank McCoy and so I'd have to look up more. Sounds like they suspected more than just writing.

Look, I don't get the appeal of something like that, and I wouldn't write it. But generally speaking, it's not illegal to write it.

 

[Safe_Bet]

@ PennLady: THIS Frank McCoy -

http://m.digg.com/news/story/Alt_sex_stories_author_arrested_for_15_year_old_Usenet_porn

 

[Anjasa]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08220/902556-100.stm

Red Rose Stories was the site that was shut down, despite never having any cause to believe that she was molesting children.

There are theories, though, that if she went through fought the charges, they might have been dropped.

 

[PennLady]

@Safe_Bet -- I clicked on that link but didn't see a story, exactly, just posts at a newsgroup about the situation.

Look, I'm not defending stories involving children and sex. All I'm saying is that generally speaking, it's not illegal to write about it. If some jurisdictions feel it violates whatever laws they have on child porn then they can prosecute and prove it.

All I'm saying is that there are some sites, like SOL and ASSTR (I think that's right) that do allow this stuff, and if you want to have characters under 18 having sex, those would be places to look at posting. I have no problems with Lit's rule. How has SOL avoided prosecution? No idea.

 

[sr71plt]

Last I checked, it is illegal in Canada to have any art that is meant to arouse that has underaged characters, including hentai and erotica.

Perhaps that's so in Canada; not in the United States, where this website is based.

Photographic images and writing are two different modes. In the States there are laws about what real people are subjected to (photographs, video). There are no laws limiting what you can either write or paint/draw/sculpt/etc.

The point is, though, that writing/painting such stuff is a signal to look for something real (and illegal) going on in your life. Child abuse is one of the areas where the authorities are actively researching the signals (as is snuff, as is NOT incest).

 

[lance gt]

To clarify, child porn in any sense is controlled and enforced through a network of International agencies. Interpol depends on the co-operation of every member to police the internet and provide info on offenders.

 

[Chiara23]

I had a story that was initially rejected because there was a reference to a 17 year old girl asking her uncle for advice about certain things sexual. There was no reference as to what those questions were at all. I had to change her age to get it published and it screwed up the story-line a bit but I'd rather have my story published than get into a battle for a fictional year lol.