Question on under age story...

[sr71plt]

Let me ask one more thing, can a minor have an erection if no sexual contact is made. Has anyone been booted for that?

Why wouldn't you think that having an erection was sexual content?

I agree with safe_bet on this one. You guys are just trying to come up with ways/white washing to dump on the rules of a site giving you a free publishing platform. At the minimum that's tacky. It's abusing the privileges being given you.

 

[Stella_Omega]

The story involves two 17 year olds who engage in some petting, that's it. I do not consider that kiddy porn! I do not believe a 3 chapter story should be eliminated because of it.

Yes, I would like to find a way to submit the story. It represents many, many hours of work.

I don't consider 17 to be "kiddy porn" either. But when I wrote my 16 year old coming of age story, I posted it elsewhere. Lit is not the be all and end all of fiction sites.

No, I'm not interested in publishing kiddy porn and your reference to it is highly offensive.

I would think someone who lives a lesbian life-style would be a little more open minded and a little less quickly to judge others.

As the facts show though, some lesbians are just as quick to judge others as any hetero dude would be. And why not, really?

Being politically oppressed does NOT make anyone into a saint. It just adds oppression to whatever other baggage they drag around with them.

 

[PennLady]

The story involves two 17 year olds who engage in some petting, that's it. I do not consider that kiddy porn! I do not believe a 3 chapter story should be eliminated because of it.

Yes, I would like to find a way to submit the story. It represents many, many hours of work.

No, I'm not interested in publishing kiddy porn and your reference to it is highly offensive.

I would think someone who lives a lesbian life-style would be a little more open minded and a little less quickly to judge others.

I think the only way you're going to be able to submit this to Lit is if you find a way around describing the situation. You just can't have to 17yos in a sexual situation on this site, it's the rules. I know that's not how real life is, but this isn't about real life. I would suggest some sort of memory or flashback, like one of them saying "I remembered when she did X, the first time it happened and I almost exploded." Something like that.

If you feel you absolutely must have that situation described in the present, with them at that age, you'll have to submit somewhere else.

I agree, this is not kiddie porn. If anything, it's more a reflection of how things are in the real world. But, as we've said, this isn't about that. Lit has a fairly hard and fast rule about this, so you'll need to follow it (and they aren't the only ones -- EroticStories and LushStories have similar rules).

But often, trying to find other ways to communicate the information can help you stretch your imagination and creativity. I'm not talking about circumventing the rules, I'm talking, as I said, about a different way of getting across the same information.

 

[lovecraft68]

I don't consider 17 to be "kiddy porn" either. But when I wrote my 16 year old coming of age story, I posted it elsewhere. Lit is not the be all and end all of fiction sites.
As the facts show though, some lesbians are just as quick to judge others as any hetero dude would be. And why not, really?

Being politically oppressed does NOT make anyone into a saint. It just adds oppression to whatever other baggage they drag around with them.

With all due respect Stella the oppression card is getting old. Are things perfect? No. of course not. But as that picture of the two naval officers kissing that was posted here weeks ago shows, things are improving greatly.

Safebet is bitter because she is bitter and hates the world for whatever reason. As someone who deals with his own recurring rage issues I understand having those "looking for a fight" days and acting irrational even when you know you are and not being able to help it.

But in her case she and her stereo typed man hating comments sets back the very cause you seek to move forward.

 

[Stella_Omega]

With all due respect Stella the oppression card is getting old. Are things perfect? No. of course not. But as that picture of the two naval officers kissing that was posted here weeks ago shows, things are improving greatly.

That picture-- it's nice, isn't it? But it doesn't mean much to the girls and boys who still get kicked out of their parent's houses, who aren't invited to family gatherings, or live in fear of being outed. GLBT youth are still suiciding, elderly folk are dying without their loved ones nearby and have no protection for their estates, and the GOP campaigns are all about taking away the pittances we've managed to gather that you cantake for granted-- so don't presume to imply that GLBT want too much.

Safebet is bitter because she is bitter and hates the world for whatever reason. As someone who deals with his own recurring rage issues I understand having those "looking for a fight" days and acting irrational even when you know you are and not being able to help it.

Indeed-- as I said, people cannot demand saintliness from folk who are not saints. And it's so common there's even a trope in fiction, called "The Magical Negro"

But in her case she and her stereo typed man hating comments sets back the very cause you seek to move forward.

Right, because one dyke was mean on the internet, someone's going to stop supporting equal rights. So that dyke had better be nice.

Yeah.

 

[PennLady]

With all due respect Stella the oppression card is getting old. Are things perfect? No. of course not. But as that picture of the two naval officers kissing that was posted here weeks ago shows, things are improving greatly.

Safebet is bitter because she is bitter and hates the world for whatever reason. As someone who deals with his own recurring rage issues I understand having those "looking for a fight" days and acting irrational even when you know you are and not being able to help it.

But in her case she and her stereo typed man hating comments sets back the very cause you seek to move forward.

Things might improving on the macro scale, but each micro scene is different. Tyler Clementi, anyone? And the kid before him? Just because laws are changing and things like that doesn't negate the stress or trauma that people went through, and are still going through. It doesn't mean, as Stella says, that kids aren't panicking about telling their parents, or that adult gays (or whatever) don't fear telling their families. People still get shunned, and ostracized, and physically hurt.

I wouldn't have expressed it as Safe_Bet did, but I don't think there's man-hating going on. Sounds like frustration with people trying to get around the rules of a site when they knew the rules going in. That's not fair to the rest of us who abide by the rules.

 

[Boxlicker101]

First let me thank everyone who has responded. I do appreciate all the input and suggestions.

Let me ask one more thing, can a minor have an erection if no sexual contact is made. Has anyone been booted for that?

I doubt that you could get by describing a minor as being sexually aroused. If he had morning wood, that might be okay.

 

[nakdsub]

Okay, I really didn't mean to turn this into...

A guy/lesbian equal rights forum. I knew of Literotica's under age policies, but I really thought it was geared to underage intercourse. I did not realize it was so rigid as to deny a 17 yr. old a hard-on.

That is why I asked.

Again, I want to thank everyone for setting me straight. I thought this would be a great story about a dying man looking back at the 3 great loves of his life, but without Lit's expanse readership, I doubt I will even finish it. Yes, there are other sites, but it just doesn't seem worth the effort for 3 or 4 hundred readers.

Thanks again.

 

[sr71plt]

You (and others) don't seem to be able to get the point. No one is denying a seventeen year old a hard on--and you are dissembling to suggest that. The website has decided what its product is, which it has every right to do. It also isn't selling TV sets and used cars. You want to use the free services here, provide product that they are offering.

Now, I imagine that it's decided that to keep lower in the scrutiny and harrassment pile than websites that have a looser policy. This also is its right to do. And it benefits writers here who are willing to follow and not try to cheat the limitations given and who don't want to find themselves on watch lists.

 

[Safe_Bet]

A guy/lesbian equal rights forum. I knew of Literotica's under age policies, but I really thought it was geared to underage intercourse. I did not realize it was so rigid as to deny a 17 yr. old a hard-on.

That is why I asked.

Again, I want to thank everyone for setting me straight. I thought this would be a great story about a dying man looking back at the 3 great loves of his life, but without Lit's expanse readership, I doubt I will even finish it. Yes, there are other sites, but it just doesn't seem worth the effort for 3 or 4 hundred readers.

Thanks again.

Dude, you never mentioned "17 y.o." until AFTER I posted. On top of that LC was talking about 14 y.o.'s being gangbanged by old men - that IS kiddie porn (not to mention being sexist and pedophilic).

But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt (unlike what you gave me) and simply call it underage sex.

Any reference to underage sex is EXPRESSLY against the wishes of the owners of this site. To try to get around those wishes is wrong.

Don't like the rules? Start your own site or post someplace else. Easy peasy!

P.S. if homophobic comments are all you got, knock yourself out. I've been insulted by people MUCH better than you so I ain't impressed.

 

[Boxlicker101]

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Originally Posted by nakdsub
A guy/lesbian equal rights forum. I knew of Literotica's under age policies, but I really thought it was geared to underage intercourse. I did not realize it was so rigid as to deny a 17 yr. old a hard-on.

That is why I asked.

Again, I want to thank everyone for setting me straight. I thought this would be a great story about a dying man looking back at the 3 great loves of his life, but without Lit's expanse readership, I doubt I will even finish it. Yes, there are other sites, but it just doesn't seem worth the effort for 3 or 4 hundred readers.

Thanks again.

Dude, you never mentioned "17 y.o." until AFTER I posted. On top of that LC was talking about 14 y.o.'s being gangbanged by old men - that IS kiddie porn (not to mention being sexist and pedophilic).

But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt (unlike what you gave me) and simply call it underage sex.

Any reference to underage sex is EXPRESSLY against the wishes of the owners of this site. To try to get around those wishes is wrong.

Don't like the rules? Start your own site or post someplace else. Easy peasy!

P.S. if homophobic comments are all you got, knock yourself out. I've been insulted by people MUCH better than you so I ain't impressed.

How could you describe this as sexist? The reference is to a 14 year old victim, but how would you know whether it was a boy or girl. Boys are victims of pedophiles too, you know.

 

[Stella_Omega]

doublepost

 

[sr71plt]

Right, because one dyke was mean on the internet, someone's going to stop supporting equal rights. So that dyke had better be nice.

Yeah.

Well, yes hard positions are just going to continue to harden on that basis. "They" are looking for evidence that supports their prejudice, and they are going to only deepen that prejudice when they encounter freaky fringers.

You can't dictate what others are going to choose to think and exhibiting in-your-face freaky fringe, yes, has held back and continues to hold back the social integration into the real world of everyone else who wants to be accepted for who they are and not be harrassed.

But of course, the mainstream of the gay community gets harrassed the worst by its own preachy and attacking freaky fringe--as we can see here.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Well, yes hard positions are just going to continue to harden on that basis. "They" are looking for evidence that supports their prejudice, and they are going to only deepen that prejudice when they encounter freaky fringers.

You can't dictate what others are going to choose to think and exhibiting in-your-face freaky fringe, yes, has held back and continues to hold back the social integration into the real world of everyone else who wants to be accepted for who they are and not be harrassed.

But of course, the mainstream of the gay community gets harrassed the worst by its own preachy and attacking freaky fringe--as we can see here.

Really, are you saying that Amy is worse than Santorum, Palin, Bachmann, Gingrich, Roberston, Limbaugh et al?

Also, what exactly is the "mainstream of the gay community?"

 

[sr71plt]

No, I wasn't making any of the comparisons (apples and oranges anyway) on what you are trying to put in my mouth. I'm not as polarized as you are. (But, yes, from what safe_bet the Usurper exhibits here, she's even crazier and more destructive than the people you name--in my view. Not that I'm going to discuss that on a writing forum) Neither am I going to get into a question of who is center gay (which also isn't a writing topic) on a thread on underage stories. You may be comfortable with merging those two; I'm not.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Well, yes hard positions are just going to continue to harden on that basis. "They" are looking for evidence that supports their prejudice, and they are going to only deepen that prejudice when they encounter freaky fringers.

You can't dictate what others are going to choose to think and exhibiting in-your-face freaky fringe, yes, has held back and continues to hold back the social integration into the real world of everyone else who wants to be accepted for who they are and not be harrassed.

But of course, the mainstream of the gay community gets harrassed the worst by its own preachy and attacking freaky fringe--as we can see here.

SR you are such an asshole.

I wasn't the one who brought orientation into the discussion and I wasn't even the first one to call them on it (even though Stella took a back handed swing at me while doing it).

BTW, where the fuck do you get off trying to act like you can speak for gays? You're a closeted (alleged) bisexual whose only contact with the gay community is tapping your foot under a bathroom stall in some freakin airport someplace.

 

[nakdsub]

Tell me where I asked how to circumvent the system.

I'm writing a, "first time," story, something new for me. I've made it clear, the couple does not have sex until they are eighteen, however, there is some touching and a little feeling up, before that. Will that knock me out of the box?

Show me where I ask for a way to circumvent the system. I am asking a question. I thought that's what this forum was supposed to be all about.

And...it does mention the kids don't have sex until they are eighteen, but do some petting before that. The last I looked...seventeen comes before eighteen.

As I said, I wasn't sure if Literotica's rule concerning underage sex was limited to intercourse, or if it included any and all sexual behavior. I never asked for a way to get around the rules, just what the rules were.

The segment of which I speak is taken straight from my own experiences. I do not consider myself a subject of child porn. Now, can we drop all the crap!

 

[sr71plt]

Well, sure it can be dropped, if you don't come up with another form of sexual conduct and ask if it would be considered sexual conduct. I think it's your bringing up yet another sex-related element and asking if it's sex related is what's leaving the impression you're trying to finagle an underage story here. Petting is sexual conduct. An erection is an element of sex. Kissing erotically would be sexual conduct. Any form of sexual arousal is sexual. If your character is dreaming of being fucked and is aroused by that, he/she is having sex.

Some of it gets through, yes. Does that change the answer to the question of "can I?" No.

And any arguments you have about it really should go to the people who have the power to do anything. PM Laurel.

 

[Stella_Omega]

A guy/lesbian equal rights forum.

In other words, you apologise for making such an assumptive statement? Some of us really appreciate that.

I knew of Literotica's under age policies, but I really thought it was geared to underage intercourse. I did not realize it was so rigid as to deny a 17 yr. old a hard-on.

That is why I asked.

Again, I want to thank everyone for setting me straight. I thought this would be a great story about a dying man looking back at the 3 great loves of his life, but without Lit's expanse readership, I doubt I will even finish it. Yes, there are other sites, but it just doesn't seem worth the effort for 3 or 4 hundred readers.

Thanks again.

Sounds really good. Sounds like it would be worth reading.

But you know what, all those hits you see on every story? They are not readers. They are bots and webcrawlers from the search engines, mostly-- not to mention bots and webcrawlers from piracy software. Thousands of bots.

If you got four hundred real readers-- who appreciated your writing and let you know, or other people know-- you'd be doing damn good.

 

[Anjasa]

If you want to post underage stories go to SOL or one of the other sites. They don't want it here so what is so fucking hard to understand.

What's SOL?

 

[PennLady]

What's SOL?

StoriesOnline.net. It's another site where you can post stories, of any nature, and there are hardly any rules. I believe they may have tightened up a bit on underage -- like nothing under 14 or something -- but I've seen stories involving 12yos on there. Posting a story with 17yos involved in heavy petting would be nothing over there, in the sense of raising eyebrows.

 

[TxRad]

StoriesOnline.net. It's another site where you can post stories, of any nature, and there are hardly any rules. I believe they may have tightened up a bit on underage -- like nothing under 14 or something -- but I've seen stories involving 12yos on there. Posting a story with 17yos involved in heavy petting would be nothing over there, in the sense of raising eyebrows.

It's a place a lot of us won't post for just that reason.

 

[Anjasa]

I'm surprised they haven't been shut down if only for legal reasons based on that.

 

[PennLady]

It's a place a lot of us won't post for just that reason.

I didn't post there for a long time b/c I was leery of that, but I have to say, I've had wonderful feedback from there, everyone's been nice, and that's where I found my beta reader and we've been emailing for probably over two years now. The stories are clearly tagged so you can avoid stories you wouldn't like. I've noticed a number of people who post on Lit also post there.

 

[PennLady]

I'm surprised they haven't been shut down if only for legal reasons based on that.

As others have pointed out, writing about underage sex -- whether it's older and younger, or two underage people -- is not illegal. So there's no reason to shut them down.