Anyone here believe America'd be doing better now, if McCain had won in 2008?

[mercury14]

So you think 240K people were hired last month?

According to the Bureau of Labor Statisics, total payroll increased 243,000 last month. Where do you get your data?

THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION -- JANUARY 2012
Total nonfarm payroll employment rose by 243,000 in January, and the
unemployment rate decreased to 8.3 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor
Statistics reported today. Job growth was widespread in the private
sector, with large employment gains in professional and business
services, leisure and hospitality, and manufacturing. Government
employment changed little over the month.

Private-sector employment grew by 257,000...

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

 

[Beco]

America would be doing better now if Bozo the Clown were president.

I thought he was....

 

[Beco]

So you think 240K people were hired last month?

Yes, and 1.2 million quit looking for a job...

 

[quietman1]

Nope I don't believe it would be better if McCain won, but do you think we'd be any worse off? Obama's just as bad in his own ways. And with his wanting to reduce the military he'll need to improve the job market by three times the 43k at least.

Just basic math isn't it? He creates 43k jobs and fires probably over 100k.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Unless you're making the argument we should expand the military as a jobs program the money we'll save is more than worth whatever rise in unemployment it causes. Not that he's likely to get much of a reduction past the Republicans or that the cuts would likely be direct persononel cuts.

 

[mercury14]

Nope I don't believe it would be better if McCain won, but do you think we'd be any worse off? Obama's just as bad in his own ways. And with his wanting to reduce the military he'll need to improve the job market by three times the 43k at least.

Just basic math isn't it? He creates 43k jobs and fires probably over 100k.

This partisan bitching about military reduction is pure crap. We don't occupy Iraq anymore so we no longer need the extra troops added for occupation.

 

[mercury14]

Yes, and 1.2 million quit looking for a job...

This is a lie.

 

[quietman1]

This partisan bitching about military reduction is pure crap. We don't occupy Iraq anymore so we no longer need the extra troops added for occupation.

Clinton said the same thing about Desert Storm too.

 

[mercury14]

Clinton said the same thing about Desert Storm too.

Show me his quote. Because that doesn't make sense given that there was no occupation under Clinton.

 

[mercury14]

According to the Bureau of Labor Statisics, total payroll increased 243,000 last month. Where do you get your data?




http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

*Crickets Chirping...*

 

[Sean Renaud]

We'll know at the end of the month if 1.2 million left the jobs market one way or another. Every other time over the last three years that we've seen the number of jobs created go up significantly it's been followed by the unemployment number going up not down as people who'd given up looking re-enter the work force.

 

[mercury14]

We'll know at the end of the month if 1.2 million left the jobs market one way or another. Every other time over the last three years that we've seen the number of jobs created go up significantly it's been followed by the unemployment number going up not down as people who'd given up looking re-enter the work force.

Lol no 1.2 million people did not stop looking for work in a 30-day span. How come nobody bothers going to source on these issues? The BLS report has all this information in it.

Among the marginally attached, there were 1.1 million discouraged
workers in January, little different from a year earlier. (The data
are not seasonally adjusted.) Discouraged workers are persons not
currently looking for work because they believe no jobs are available
for them. The remaining 1.7 million persons marginally attached to the
labor force in January had not searched for work in the 4 weeks
preceding the survey for reasons such as school attendance or family
responsibilities. (See table A-16.)

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

So 1.1 million are discouraged. That doesn't mean 1.1 million discouraged workers were added in January, it means that there are 1.1 total out there long-term. The definition requires 4+ weeks of not looking for a job and the survey was taken at the end of January, therefore it's literally impossible for the survey to show 1.1 million stopping their job hunt in January. Almost all of these people became discouraged long before January. Some probably go back to 2010.

But the conservative spin factory was intentionally deceitful and said that 1.1 million stopped looking for work in January. It's pure, willful lying meant to manipulate their low-information, dim-witted constituency who take Hannity's word as gold and never look at facts themselves.

Isn't that right Beco?

 

[quietman1]

Show me his quote. Because that doesn't make sense given that there was no occupation under Clinton.

But he sure as hell cut the military way the hell back.

 

[quietman1]

This partisan bitching about military reduction is pure crap. We don't occupy Iraq anymore so we no longer need the extra troops added for occupation.

So we go ahead and kick them out into the ever so bloated job market? Or maybe we keep them on and find other civil service type duties and keep them employeed?

 

[TexasWife25]

So we go ahead and kick them out into the ever so bloated job market? Or maybe we keep them on and find other civil service type duties and keep them employeed?

No one is throwing them out. They are leaving, because they want to.
Service members sign a contract for a specific period of time, when that contract
ends, the government is not required to offer them reenlistment if they arent needed.


Currently, the army branch of the military is offering service members a buy out.
They are willing to honorably discharge any service member who is within 120 days
of the end of their contract. Many members are gleefully taking the out.

 

[mercury14]

But he sure as hell cut the military way the hell back.

So he didn't say the same thing about Desert Storm after all?

Clinton cut the military because the Cold War ended. George HW Bush started the cuts and Clinton continued his policy.

Also Clinton did not cut the military way the hell back because that's not within his power. The GOP-controlled congress wrote every penny of the cuts, passed them with bipartisan support. And under HW Bush the Democratic congress wrote the cuts and Bush signed off on them.

So stop blaming Clinton. It's just stupid. Yes I know Romney and Newt have been attacking Clinton for cutting the military but they're stupid people who lie. Besides, Newt's own House wrote and passed the cuts he blames Clinton for.

 

[richard_daily]

DUI checkpoints are unreasonable searches...just because you want to give away your freedom for a little false security does not make it reasonable...

And Obama instituted or created DUI checkpoints?


Maybe you're just upset that you got caught in one?

 

[mercury14]

No one is throwing them out. They are leaving, because they want to.
Service members sign a contract for a specific period of time, when that contract
ends, the government is not required to offer them reenlistment if they arent needed.


Currently, the army branch of the military is offering service members a buy out.
They are willing to honorably discharge any service member who is within 120 days
of the end of their contract. Many members are gleefully taking the out.

This.

 

[RobDownSouth]

But he sure as hell cut the military way the hell back.

Cold War's over, buddy. Good guys won.

 

[quietman1]

Cold War's over, buddy. Good guys won.

I get that. What I don't get is cutting back when there is already a large amount of joblessness. Some folk say the cutbacks in the military won't be personnel, then they start talking about lowering the number of the forces to pre occupation level. That sounds to me like they're saying one thing but doing another. Does it make any sense to effectively fire a bunch of people currently holding jobs?

 

[quietman1]

So he didn't say the same thing about Desert Storm after all?

Clinton cut the military because the Cold War ended. George HW Bush started the cuts and Clinton continued his policy.

Also Clinton did not cut the military way the hell back because that's not within his power. The GOP-controlled congress wrote every penny of the cuts, passed them with bipartisan support. And under HW Bush the Democratic congress wrote the cuts and Bush signed off on them.

So stop blaming Clinton. It's just stupid. Yes I know Romney and Newt have been attacking Clinton for cutting the military but they're stupid people who lie. Besides, Newt's own House wrote and passed the cuts he blames Clinton for.

Do I get to tell you to lay off the republicans? And believe me I was there during the cut backs. Don't try to tell me who it was that cut the troops back. I know who the commander in chief at the time was.

 

[quietman1]

No one is throwing them out. They are leaving, because they want to.
Service members sign a contract for a specific period of time, when that contract
ends, the government is not required to offer them reenlistment if they arent needed.


Currently, the army branch of the military is offering service members a buy out.
They are willing to honorably discharge any service member who is within 120 days
of the end of their contract. Many members are gleefully taking the out.

I remember the last time the government made cut backs. It started with "buy outs" and "early retirements". Next came one time pay out offers for medical discharges. Then came more.

I speak from experience in an earlier cut back. I took the early retirement. Honestly, this time I can't say I blame the kids for running at the chance to escape with all of their arms and legs from a government that sends them out relatively unprotected.

I do not trust a government that starts offering bribes and concessions for cooperation. It smells bad to me.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

According to the Bureau of Labor Statisics, total payroll increased 243,000 last month. Where do you get your data?




http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

Payroll unemployment going up 240 and saying 240k in jobs were added are two different things. Look it up or read the first two pages of this thread....

 

[mercury14]

Do I get to tell you to lay off the republicans? And believe me I was there during the cut backs. Don't try to tell me who it was that cut the troops back. I know who the commander in chief at the time was.

Why do you think the commander-in-chief controls military cuts?

 

[VaticanAssassin]

Yes, and 1.2 million quit looking for a job...

ding ding....