BDSM history

[Stella_Omega]

Bringing a quote from another thread:

There once was a day when the sub had little choice in the assigment.**** bidder decided where the sub was trained.

Where was this?
This is a serious question.

I have heard this claim made before, and always gotten vague responses; "In Traditional European Houses."
The only one I have heard of specifically was in Lausanne Switzerland. I was in Zurich at the time-- funny how these houses are never where we are...

Here in the states I know that many of the Old Guard leatherman groups would assign subs to the highest bidder for the duration of an event, that's well documented. Dudes though, no women were welcome at those events-- nor are they still.

I have to assume that the old Janus Society did something similar, although I have no information about that. I'm willing to bet that, given the way hets do things, some of the women would feel quite permanently attached to some guy after a long weekend.

So yeah, there are plenty of novels that talk about slave auctions and big houses and the lap of luxury, but hardly nothing in the way of reference. If you have any real information, I would be so grateful to hear it!

 

[StrayKat]

I have no "real" information either, but apparently there is a Leather society in EU that trains and shares slaves on luxurious places all over the Europe. I was following a story of one such, all online and public and she seems to be truly happy with the deal. Looks like she is being transferred from one place (country) to another and different Doms for training every 4 weeks or so, so far.
Mind it all may be exactly nothing but overgrown fantasy. I do have a contact with a person involved but I never asked or would ask for any details. So all very vague but for some reason I have a feeling there is a lot of truth in there.

 

[Dom4uinLvNv]

I gather you've never been homeless. The last item a person has to sell, is their body..and their rights as citizens. It happens daily, right here in the land of plenty. Wake up...

 

[Stella_Omega]

Dom4uinLvNv, you claim to have actual knowledge of actual BDSM slave auctions.

I'm asking that you step up to the plate with it like a forthright gentleman, minus all the hints, innuendo, and generalities.

And yes, I am very well aware that women who are down on their luck would be very vulnerable to slavers. I assume, in fact, that these auctions, if they are real, are nothing that any of us would touch with a ten foot pole, and look nothing like the romantic novels would have us believe.

 

[StrayKat]

And yes, I am very well aware that women who are down on their luck would be very vulnerable to slavers. I assume, in fact, that these auctions, if they are real, are nothing that any of us would touch with a ten foot pole, and look nothing like the romantic novels would have us believe.

My example is more of the romantic novel type, and I see nothing wrong with it for those who are wired that way. Heck if I had any kind of slave soul myself I would have applied.

But seriously, how many women who are down on their luck as you say agree on some form of work or domestic slavery that may and may not have any connections with BDSM? Its a fact of life and happens everywhere. "Slaving" to a husband because you have no job and no place to go. "Slaving" to your parents for the same reason. "Slaving" on some under minimum wages job.
Isnt what Dom4uinLvNv is talking about basically a kind of abuse and has nothing to do with BDSM as such? So I think I am confused what exactly are you talking about, consensual Story of O type of romantic novel slavery or bleak reality so many women live in that may be connected to the BDSM in the worst manner?

 

[geekmaster24]

Dom4uinLvNv, you claim to have actual knowledge of actual BDSM slave auctions.

I'm asking that you step up to the plate with it like a forthright gentleman, minus all the hints, innuendo, and generalities.

And yes, I am very well aware that women who are down on their luck would be very vulnerable to slavers. I assume, in fact, that these auctions, if they are real, are nothing that any of us would touch with a ten foot pole, and look nothing like the romantic novels would have us believe.

And well said Stella.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Isnt what Dom4uinLvNv is talking about basically a kind of abuse and has nothing to do with BDSM as such? So I think I am confused what exactly are you talking about, consensual Story of O type of romantic novel slavery or bleak reality so many women live in that may be connected to the BDSM in the worst manner?

Well, that's what, and that's why, I'm asking.

 

[His_pet_slut]

Dom4uinLvNv, you claim to have actual knowledge of actual BDSM slave auctions.

I'm asking that you step up to the plate with it like a forthright gentleman, minus all the hints, innuendo, and generalities.

And yes, I am very well aware that women who are down on their luck would be very vulnerable to slavers. I assume, in fact, that these auctions, if they are real, are nothing that any of us would touch with a ten foot pole, and look nothing like the romantic novels would have us believe.

But seriously, how many women who are down on their luck as you say agree on some form of work or domestic slavery that may and may not have any connections with BDSM? Its a fact of life and happens everywhere. "Slaving" to a husband because you have no job and no place to go. "Slaving" to your parents for the same reason. "Slaving" on some under minimum wages job.
Isnt what Dom4uinLvNv is talking about basically a kind of abuse and has nothing to do with BDSM as such? So I think I am confused what exactly are you talking about, consensual Story of O type of romantic novel slavery or bleak reality so many women live in that may be connected to the BDSM in the worst manner?

Once again, keeping people accountable for what is reality, what is BS, and what is fiction with a twist. Thank you both. Intelligent discourse like this is why I like hanging out here.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Hmmm.....


I have the sad and sorry feeling that no answer is the answer from this guy.

 

[graceanne]

So after reading this thread, I did an admittedly VERY brief search for history. I could find a bit on leather pride and the society of janus, but not much, and nothing about it's history. Honestly, with things being so hush-hush and secretive, I don't know if anyone really knows the history of BDSM. You will always find people who claim they do, but they usually won't go into any detail, which is why I'm pretty sure they're full of shit. *shrugs*

I know there's a few people on here who can give you some information on leather pride (Netzach comes to mind), but I don't know anyone, offhand, who can give much info on the society of janus. Sorry.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I firmly believe that the Grand Houses Of Europe are wishful thinking created by people like Pauline Regiere, and promulgated by modern writers like Ann *cough* Rampling.

I have evidence that Ann *cough* Rampling and her late husband were enthusiastic participants in the Janus Society, and played at slave weekends.

If there are any Great Houses extant today, they are spawned by these novels. And so far, I have no proof to the contrary, not even anyone's first hand account.

On the other hand-- there's plenty of first hand accounts and even photographic records from the Old Guard.

 

[StrayKat]

Hmmm.....


I have the sad and sorry feeling that no answer is the answer from this guy.

You didnt really expect anything else, did you?

 

[Dom4uinLvNv]

Your so right..I know nothing about anything...There you feel better now?

 

[StrayKat]

Your so right..I know nothing about anything...There you feel better now?

*in her most soothing motherly voice*

There there you are young, you will learn

I dont dare to pat you though, you might bite

 

[Stella_Omega]

Your so right..I know nothing about anything...There you feel better now?

No what makes me happy is being impressed, and passive aggression? Not so much with the impressive.

If you know something, speak up and prove me wrong. I look forward to making an apology.

 

[LordMorningwood]

A friend had a story about a relative who had had died single at an advanced age in the New Forest area of England. Among his effects they found a large cache of photos of what would now be termed BDSM parties in the woods, featuring men and women being bound and whipped, seemingly dating from the 20's and 30's. Apparently local public figures were recognisable amongst the celebrants.

What happened to the photos, I asked? All burned, apparently. I can see that the idea would have been to protect people's privacy, but that's a big chunk of social history gone, just like that.

 

[Dom4uinLvNv]

And I gather... all the stories being reported by the local news channels, like KVTK and KPHO and others channels, covering these events, have no idea what they are reporting on.
Business owners aren't are being investigated by the Department of Immigration and Naturalization either, as we post...The fact regarding people that are being sold, then raped and tortured in border states has to be false as well.
I'm sure they all have better things to spend money on. Why would they only investigate a few allegations?

 

[Netzach]

Prostitution rings and coercion, old as humanity. That's not what we're talking about.

There is no Great European Old House of Domination. Full Stop. There is no secret Bee dee ess emm illuminati.

Santa Claus, also not real. Sorry to break it to you.

There is a GRAND and non-unified tradition among pro women in disciplinary arts augmenting and separate from other erotic professional offerings.

There is a fine and non-unified culture of gay leather.

Heterosexual male domination outside of non-mainstream sexual doings is only really "kinked" in a postfeminist world. Male domination of women is so commonplace it's like having a fetish for doing laundry once a week. Why would anyone go out of his way to codify and make a secret society out of - society? That's why I think there's no really long reaching backstory before the seventies for hetero stuff.

The photo cache described above sounds intriguing as fuck, and part of actual leather history.

 

[Stella_Omega]

And I gather... all the stories being reported by the local news channels, like KVTK and KPHO and others channels, covering these events, have no idea what they are reporting on.
Business owners aren't are being investigated by the Department of Immigration and Naturalization either, as we post...The fact regarding people that are being sold, then raped and tortured in border states has to be false as well.
I'm sure they all have better things to spend money on. Why would they only investigate a few allegations?

Is that what you think BDSM is?


Please then, do us all a favor-- stay in your basement.

 

[LordMorningwood]

The photo cache described above sounds intriguing as fuck, and part of actual leather history.

Gloria Brame is doing a great job in this area with her photo blog "Gloria's Oversexed Mind", which frequently features BDSM photos of similar vintage. (In which everyone is CLEARLY HAVING CONSENSUAL FUN, just in case I need to spell that out.)

 

[Stella_Omega]

Gloria Brame is doing a great job in this area with her photo blog "Gloria's Oversexed Mind", which frequently features BDSM photos of similar vintage. (In which everyone is CLEARLY HAVING CONSENSUAL FUN, just in case I need to spell that out.)

Evidently, you do.

and link; http://gloriabrame.typepad.com/