America has less upward mobility than socialist places like Canada and Europe

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to-rise-from-lower-rungs.html?_r=1

WASHINGTON — Benjamin Franklin did it. Henry Ford did it. And American life is built on the faith that others can do it, too: rise from humble origins to economic heights. “Movin’ on up,” George Jefferson-style, is not only a sitcom song but a civil religion.

But many researchers have reached a conclusion that turns conventional wisdom on its head: Americans enjoy less economic mobility than their peers in Canada and much of Western Europe. The mobility gap has been widely discussed in academic circles, but a sour season of mass unemployment and street protests has moved the discussion toward center stage.

Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, a Republican candidate for president, warned this fall that movement “up into the middle income is actually greater, the mobility in Europe, than it is in America.” National Review, a conservative thought leader, wrote that “most Western European and English-speaking nations have higher rates of mobility.” Even Representative Paul D. Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican who argues that overall mobility remains high, recently wrote that “mobility from the very bottom up” is “where the United States lags behind.”

Liberal commentators have long emphasized class, but the attention on the right is largely new.

“It’s becoming conventional wisdom that the U.S. does not have as much mobility as most other advanced countries,” said Isabel V. Sawhill, an economist at the Brookings Institution. “I don’t think you’ll find too many people who will argue with that.”

One reason for the mobility gap may be the depth of American poverty, which leaves poor children starting especially far behind. Another may be the unusually large premiums that American employers pay for college degrees. Since children generally follow their parents’ educational trajectory, that premium increases the importance of family background and stymies people with less schooling.
 
One reason for the mobility gap may be the depth of American poverty, which leaves poor children starting especially far behind. .

This is the problem. Canada and the Western European countries offer better support to the poor thus enhancing their chances of stepping up into the middle class. Over time it creates more upward mobility as resources are drawn in from the bottom.

In the US bottom stays bottom.
 
This is news how?

Civilized countries look after their citizens.

Americans want to pick and choose who they want to help. Unfortunately for them its bankers and politicians they try to protect the most while the country becomes a shithole.

Its pathetic how americans view their fellow citizens.
 
Americans only understand two states of being.

Americans and socialists(everybody else).
 
Europe and Canada are socialist lol :D

I prefer to delude myself that Canada has a heightened sense of humanity and cares for more of its people than the US.

But I know that isn't true. We slaver cash through the poor neighborhoods, and rich neighborhoods, with reckless abandon because it raises government employment and lets those with a "social conscience" sleep at night.

Some disturbing socialist policies indeed in this country.
 
This is news how?

Civilized countries look after their citizens.

Americans want to pick and choose who they want to help. Unfortunately for them its bankers and politicians they try to protect the most while the country becomes a shithole.

Its pathetic how americans view their fellow citizens.

It don't agree with this about "Americans" at all.

In reality, we ARE the most generous people in the world!

No other nation on earth comes close in terms of charitable contributions. I mean the difference is amazingly huge and it applies to the money our government (citizen tax dollars) donates too.

Don't take my word for it, look into yourselves.
 
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I think most Americans are exactly where their talents and motivation take them. A few of us ride elephants, and most of us carry spears.
 
Then why do Euros' and Canucks' talents and motivations take them higher?

Clearly they are more talented and more motivated than we are. That's the obvious answer seeing how they have higher taxes to get around there should be no way for them to ever even approach us. :rolleyes:

Besides who says upward mobility is a good thing. Now that the rich are fairly established we can give them titles like in the good ole days and have a Duke and Duchess of California.
 
Clearly they are more talented and more motivated than we are. That's the obvious answer seeing how they have higher taxes to get around there should be no way for them to ever even approach us. :rolleyes:

Besides who says upward mobility is a good thing. Now that the rich are fairly established we can give them titles like in the good ole days and have a Duke and Duchess of California.

I call dibs on "Marquis de Wadde"!
 
Clearly they are more talented and more motivated than we are. That's the obvious answer seeing how they have higher taxes to get around there should be no way for them to ever even approach us. :rolleyes:

Besides who says upward mobility is a good thing. Now that the rich are fairly established we can give them titles like in the good ole days and have a Duke and Duchess of California.

I don't think that the tax thing is really an issue here. Possibly we pay higher taxes but they cover costs that you would be liable for elsewhere in your life. Best example would be the Health care system, you simply don't have to bother with premiums, insurance companies etc.

I got into a discussion on this board once on taxes US vs. Canada and it it is not at all clear that we pay higher taxes. Taxes in Canada are just more overt.

Upper mobility a good thing? In moderation perhaps. Nice to be secure or even affluent but when you hit rich this start looking a little ugly. The Socialist in me would like to cut the head off wealth.
 
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